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ATG wrote:

The only thing humorous about this is that some sane liberals like Heraldo Rivera claim Bush is a moderate on his immigration policy, when in fact, moderation to a liberal regarding border policy means having open borders.

Turquoise wrote:

ATG wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I'm laughing...  because you left out one very important factor: employers.

As Hunter of Skulls said in another thread, they wouldn't come here if they couldn't find work.  This whole issue is a joke until we get serious enough to actually prosecute every employer of illegals IN ADDITION to securing the border.

Its cowardly to hold employers responsible when you are not demanding the arrest and fining of government assholes who fail to do their jobs .

I'd say it's more cowardly for an employer of illegals to continually condemn illegals.  If you hire them, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

I'm all for holding officials responsible for their negligence, but I'm also in favor of practicing what I preach.

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Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I'd say it's more cowardly for an employer of illegals to continually condemn illegals.  If you hire them, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

I'm all for holding officials responsible for their negligence, but I'm also in favor of practicing what I preach.

What if employing illegals are required for employers to survive competitively and provide for their families? If the government were competent enough to take care of the illegal problem it would not be necessary for employers to use them in order to compete. Just something to let your brain marinate in. Keep the playing field level while enforcing the law.

Wait a minute.  I thought conservatives believed in "personal responsibility."  In every other case of playing fields being inequal, they say "suck it up."  It's only fair to apply the same standards here.

Affirmative action is bullshit, and so is this argument of competition.  Either you live by your ideals, or you don't.  Don't bite the hand that feeds you.  In this case, it's the illegals.  We depend on them, and they depend on us.

The_Mac wrote:

Yaocelotl wrote:

Damn "pochos" (term we Mexicans use for the Mexicans that live and/or were born in the US) don't know the term "Aztlán". And yes, here in México we don't want "pochos" because of their sick way of treating people back here.

But I'll tell you the truth of dissolving such conflicts like it's done here, give them cheap things or pretty (but impossible) promises and they will settle down. And they'll forget about it. Hispanics have well and inborn fact, to be submissive, that was the gift that the Spanish gave us when they came, and that's why they were able to conquer this side of the world.

The Spaniards conquering Mexico was the worst thing that could happen to them. It wasn't because they made the natives submissive, thats a load, their way of valuing things was based on gold and silver, not realizing the true stimulant of the economy was trade and purchasing and sellings things was much more advantageous than relying on a finite resource to fuel their economy. In effect, it is why the Spanish colonies turned countries are poorer than they should be. Mexico could be just as wealthy as the U.S. The problem is, they don't have the will, and just want to run away from the problems.

Yaocelotl wrote:

I don't think that you can remember a thing called "La santa inquicisión" (holly inquisition), a machinery applied in the colonies by the Spanish to subdue people and impose them catholicism. They didn't use any clever methods to do it. In fact, many ethnies here still celebrate rituals (a mixture of catholicism and local folklore) in easter.

But to the point, I think that no one has the right to block or stopping the normal living by a thing called manifestation. By blocking streets and whatsoever they are stopping businesses from getting income, and that is not right, and more over is you are not a legal citizen.

RedTwizzler wrote:

My response to this is the same as any other illegal immigration topic: Force employers to pay employees (legal or illegal) at least minimum wage. By doing this, any incentive to hire illegal immigrants over legals is neutralized, and it comes down to who can do the better work.

If you lose your job to a person who can't speak English, chances are you suck at your job anyway.

ATG wrote:

In many countries, May Day is also Labor Day. This originates with the United States labor movement in the late 19th Century. On May 1, 1886, unions across the country went on strike, demanding that the standard workday be shortened to eight hours.

Wikipedia wrote:

On 21 April 1856 Stonemasons and building workers on building sites around Melbourne, Australia, stopped work and marched from the University of Melbourne to Parliament House to achieve an eight hour day. Their direct action protest was a success, and they are noted as the first organized workers in the world to achieve an eight hour day with no loss of pay, which subsequently inspired the celebration of Labour Day and May Day.

Wikipedia wrote:

May 1 was a traditional summer holiday in many pre-Christian European pagan cultures, and many elements of these holidays are still celebrated on May 1 today, such as the Maypole. While February 1 was the first day of Spring, May 1 was the first day of summer: hence, the summer solstice on June 25 (now June 21) was "midsummer."

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