Yes, yes it is.jonnykill wrote:
Shit I couldn't even make it past the "Marijuana is HIGHLY ADDICTIVE blah, blah, blah". That's pure bullshit.
Um, I would argue that morbidly obese people are far more likely to lazy than a irregular pot smoker. If you have stats to back up what you've said then fair enough, but I know people who smoke weed and hold down pretty good, high-earning, jobs.Bertster7 wrote:
I don't condone any sort of ban. Although I could imagine unemployment rising if cannabis were to be legalised and I believe that would be the greatest negative effect on society.
For a start there you are comparing moderate cannabis use with morbid obesity. Can you not see why that is an unfair comparison? Moderate cannabis use could be equated to being moderately overweight. Morbid obesity could be equated to smoking 4-5 grams a day - which will certainly have a negative effect on productivity.=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:
Um, I would argue that morbidly obese people are far more likely to lazy than a irregular pot smoker. If you have stats to back up what you've said then fair enough, but I know people who smoke weed and hold down pretty good, high-earning, jobs.Bertster7 wrote:
I don't condone any sort of ban. Although I could imagine unemployment rising if cannabis were to be legalised and I believe that would be the greatest negative effect on society.
True. But the point is that its a trigger for it.Bertster7 wrote:
He was already susceptible. Lots of people get schizophrenia without smoking weed. Show me a conclusive medical study, you won't be able to because there aren't any and there have been loads of studies into it.Vilham wrote:
Please explain how my brother got schizophrenia from smoking too much weed then...Bertster7 wrote:
There haven't been any conclusive studies showing that. Also the studies there have been have shown it only to be an issue for people who are already susceptible.
In any case, at least I won't be getting Alzheimer's.
I know lots of people who have developed mental illness while smoking weed. I can also see that the fact they smoked weed may have contributed to it. It is not the driving factor behind the development of any mental illness though. Cannabis use does exacerbate mental illness though.
The evidence for alcohol causing schizophrenia is at least as strong as the evidence for cannabis causing it. So that makes your point kind of redundant.
Thanks to JahManRed for the link.
So is alcohol.Vilham wrote:
True. But the point is that its a trigger for it.Bertster7 wrote:
He was already susceptible. Lots of people get schizophrenia without smoking weed. Show me a conclusive medical study, you won't be able to because there aren't any and there have been loads of studies into it.Vilham wrote:
Please explain how my brother got schizophrenia from smoking too much weed then...
I know lots of people who have developed mental illness while smoking weed. I can also see that the fact they smoked weed may have contributed to it. It is not the driving factor behind the development of any mental illness though. Cannabis use does exacerbate mental illness though.
The evidence for alcohol causing schizophrenia is at least as strong as the evidence for cannabis causing it. So that makes your point kind of redundant.
Thanks to JahManRed for the link.
I have been smoking marijuana for nearly 15years. I've been offered coke and speed maybe twice. Opium a couple of time. I've never been offered heroin, nor cocaine, nor meth.Pubic wrote:
Argument: Buying marijuana makes you meet dodgy people who get you hooked on hard drugs.
My resonse: Growing marijuana in your back yard will keep you away from dodgy people, and won't cost you a cent.
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I know people who smoke more than 4-5grams a day and they're not inactive. Some of them would actually be less active if they didn't smoke it (those that, like myself, use it for medicinal purposes (though, I don't smoke that kind of quantity - 5grams would last me nearly two weeks!))...Bertster7 wrote:
For a start there you are comparing moderate cannabis use with morbid obesity. Can you not see why that is an unfair comparison? Moderate cannabis use could be equated to being moderately overweight. Morbid obesity could be equated to smoking 4-5 grams a day - which will certainly have a negative effect on productivity.=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:
Um, I would argue that morbidly obese people are far more likely to lazy than a irregular pot smoker. If you have stats to back up what you've said then fair enough, but I know people who smoke weed and hold down pretty good, high-earning, jobs.Bertster7 wrote:
I don't condone any sort of ban. Although I could imagine unemployment rising if cannabis were to be legalised and I believe that would be the greatest negative effect on society.
Not all people who smoke loads will be inactive. But in general, heavy cannabis users don't get much done. I've been through phases of smoking simillar quantities to that and it certainly makes me get less done, the same applies to most people I know who smoke it heavily. These days I smoke between an eighth and a quarter a week and I get more done - although whenever I stop smoking it (which I find pretty easy to do, a night or two of dodgy sleep then I'm fine) I'm far more dynamic. These days I very rarely smoke anything before it is quite late in the evening and I don't have anything to get done - just smoke a spliff, watch a film and go to sleep.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I know people who smoke more than 4-5grams a day and they're not inactive. Some of them would actually be less active if they didn't smoke it (those that, like myself, use it for medicinal purposes (though, I don't smoke that kind of quantity - 5grams would last me nearly two weeks!))...Bertster7 wrote:
For a start there you are comparing moderate cannabis use with morbid obesity. Can you not see why that is an unfair comparison? Moderate cannabis use could be equated to being moderately overweight. Morbid obesity could be equated to smoking 4-5 grams a day - which will certainly have a negative effect on productivity.=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:
Um, I would argue that morbidly obese people are far more likely to lazy than a irregular pot smoker. If you have stats to back up what you've said then fair enough, but I know people who smoke weed and hold down pretty good, high-earning, jobs.
People do. It's just they are debates about videogames (usually just violent ones) being banned and this is a debate about weed being legalised. Neither of of which has any significant chance of happening.jonsimon wrote:
Video games have been proven to kill people (korean kids), are addictive, and reduce productivity. But we don't have these kinds of debates about them.
so is weed....?motherdear wrote:
alcohol should be legal since it's a part of culture.
though, video games ARE legal, were discussing the legality of weed and the comparison to a legal drug, alcohol.jonsimon wrote:
Video games have been proven to kill people (korean kids), are addictive, and reduce productivity. But we don't have these kinds of debates about them.
you know, i pride myself in being able to smoke all i want and still be able to run my business and keep my life in order. i might be cheating slightly because i work out of my house, so my schedule is dictated only by money. however, if i did not work out of my house, i do feel that the AMOUNT i smoke would limit me in doing some things....some things as in WANTING to do them, not because i cant. i can smoke a blunt to myself and go forge a knife with no problems. that can be said about most things in my life, but some people just cant operate.Bertster7 wrote:
Not all people who smoke loads will be inactive. But in general, heavy cannabis users don't get much done. I've been through phases of smoking simillar quantities to that and it certainly makes me get less done, the same applies to most people I know who smoke it heavily. These days I smoke between an eighth and a quarter a week and I get more done - although whenever I stop smoking it (which I find pretty easy to do, a night or two of dodgy sleep then I'm fine) I'm far more dynamic. These days I very rarely smoke anything before it is quite late in the evening and I don't have anything to get done - just smoke a spliff, watch a film and go to sleep.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I know people who smoke more than 4-5grams a day and they're not inactive. Some of them would actually be less active if they didn't smoke it (those that, like myself, use it for medicinal purposes (though, I don't smoke that kind of quantity - 5grams would last me nearly two weeks!))...Bertster7 wrote:
For a start there you are comparing moderate cannabis use with morbid obesity. Can you not see why that is an unfair comparison? Moderate cannabis use could be equated to being moderately overweight. Morbid obesity could be equated to smoking 4-5 grams a day - which will certainly have a negative effect on productivity.
Medical users would certainly be an exception to that, particularly those with something like MS.
I am definately a supporter of legalising cannabis (I smoke enough of the stuff). I'm just trying to put across the facts in a fair and unbiased manner.
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lmao, where do u work?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I smoke all day at work. Instead of doing all my work at once and being done in 5 hours, I would rather post here when blunted and draw it out for 8 hours. I don't get paid hourly anyway, so I do want I want, which is great.
My friend and I run an electronics distribution company. Sounds high-tech huh?Des.Kmal wrote:
lmao, where do u work?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I smoke all day at work. Instead of doing all my work at once and being done in 5 hours, I would rather post here when blunted and draw it out for 8 hours. I don't get paid hourly anyway, so I do want I want, which is great.
I know what you mean.Parker wrote:
you know, i pride myself in being able to smoke all i want and still be able to run my business and keep my life in order. i might be cheating slightly because i work out of my house, so my schedule is dictated only by money. however, if i did not work out of my house, i do feel that the AMOUNT i smoke would limit me in doing some things....some things as in WANTING to do them, not because i cant. i can smoke a blunt to myself and go forge a knife with no problems. that can be said about most things in my life, but some people just cant operate.
No one ever argues that games should be banned for the reasons popular culture would have us believe weed is banned. That was the point.Bertster7 wrote:
People do. It's just they are debates about videogames (usually just violent ones) being banned and this is a debate about weed being legalised. Neither of of which has any significant chance of happening.jonsimon wrote:
Video games have been proven to kill people (korean kids), are addictive, and reduce productivity. But we don't have these kinds of debates about them.
lol reminds me, the other day i was in a relapse period, had sleeping problems lately, well basicly... 8 red bull later, a few hours pass and i'm fine, stood up went to walk out the door, went to run to the shops then i shut down and went numb lolapollo_fi wrote:
Now, after a 15-hour day at work, and with two shots of cheap Scotch under my belt, I say this:
Both alcohol and weed should be banned, and dealers severely prosecuted. Both are poisons that attack the nervous system.
Include cigarettes and coffee in the ban.
I'm being half serious here...
I can already feel the Unwinding, courtesy of the two shots of Scotch. I kept going the entire day on a caffeine high, and relied on being able to relax afterwards with the aid of trusty ol' VAT 69.
Without these crutches, I couldn't have gone through today. Or wouldn't have.
It's not the chemicals we need, what we should be aiming at is life that can be lived without chemical crutches.
Oh, time to take the meds. Sorry, have to go.