I sure would hate to have an opinion that I can not defend.
let it go/move onlowing wrote:
I sure would hate to have an opinion that I can not defend.
let it go/move ondavidonbf2 wrote:
let it go/move onlowing wrote:
Especially with as fucked up an opinion, as yours. Letting go and moving ondavidonbf2 wrote:
let it go/move on
I did already, I wasn't talking to you. THat was a general commentdavidonbf2 wrote:
let it go/move onlowing wrote:
I sure would hate to have an opinion that I can not defend.
let it go/move onlowing wrote:
I did already, I wasn't talking to you. THat was a general commentdavidonbf2 wrote:
let it go/move onlowing wrote:
I sure would hate to have an opinion that I can not defend.
Unfortunately, this ain't a perfect world, and the children who have say two dads will feel a bit more awkward and ...well think about it.misconfiguration wrote:
Who gives a fuck, as long as that gay couple lets the child(ren) grow up with an open mind. I don't think it's right to force their beliefs on them. If the child grows up and wants to be gay, that's cool but just as I said. It shouldn't be forced upon the child's head.
How the fuck would you feel if you had two dads and everyone else had a dad and a mom?
That would suck, and not because you'd be a homophobe, but because everyone knows, and even if they don't bully you, you'd still feel shy and intimidated because as soon as you start "acting up" or trying to act cool, some dick will bring that up, and it'll lead to predictable and bad places.
So better none of this homo crap. It'll hurt more children than it'll do good.
and so you would rather be made fun of by kids in school because you are fat, ugly, wear glasses, handicapped, disfigured, blind, born with no feet or hands, or any of the thousands of countless reasons kids make up to bully one another.The_Mac wrote:
Unfortunately, this ain't a perfect world, and the children who have say two dads will feel a bit more awkward and ...well think about it.misconfiguration wrote:
Who gives a fuck, as long as that gay couple lets the child(ren) grow up with an open mind. I don't think it's right to force their beliefs on them. If the child grows up and wants to be gay, that's cool but just as I said. It shouldn't be forced upon the child's head.
How the fuck would you feel if you had two dads and everyone else had a dad and a mom?
That would suck, and not because you'd be a homophobe, but because everyone knows, and even if they don't bully you, you'd still feel shy and intimidated because as soon as you start "acting up" or trying to act cool, some dick will bring that up, and it'll lead to predictable and bad places.
So better none of this homo crap. It'll hurt more children than it'll do good.
I am not arguing that this scenerio would not possibly bring on undue attention to the family, I am arguing that such a scenerio will not turn YOU gay.
let it go/move onlowing wrote:
fag!!!davidonbf2 wrote:
let it go/move onlowing wrote:
I did already, I wasn't talking to you. THat was a general comment
Actually, you gave your opinion and then refused to defend it against 20 years of research that says your opinion is wrong. So you didn't do very well with the "Debate" part of "D&ST". And then you started saying people who disagree with you are gay, so you didn't do well with the "Serious Talk" part of "D&ST" either.davidonbf2 wrote:
teddy-jimmy aksed a question, I gave my opinion, I dont recall asking for YOUR opinion, I'm not here to have a flame war with you about this, so like I said for the 12th time, move on, quit trying to push you're liberal ways on me or anyone esle on this matter case closed.......if you want to continue arguing about this why don't you go to one of those websites who do care about gay parents rights and let this one die already, for god sake let it go!
American Psychological Association wrote:
Sexual Orientation. A number of investigators have also studied a third component of sexual identity, sexual orientation (Bailey, Bobrow, Wolfe, & Mickach, 1995; Bozett, 1980, 1987, 1989; Gottman, 1990; Golombok & Tasker, 1996; Green, 1978; Huggins, 1989; Miller, 1979; Paul, 1986; Rees, 1979; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). In all studies, the great majority of offspring of both lesbian mothers and gay fathers described themselves as heterosexual. Taken together, the data do not suggest elevated rates of homosexuality among the offspring of lesbian or gay parents.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications … ldren.html
I already explain my position on this matter,let it go/move onsan4 wrote:
Actually, you gave your opinion and then refused to defend it against 20 years of research that says your opinion is wrong. So you didn't do very well with the "Debate" part of "D&ST". And then you started saying people who disagree with you are gay, so you didn't do well with the "Serious Talk" part of "D&ST" either.davidonbf2 wrote:
teddy-jimmy aksed a question, I gave my opinion, I dont recall asking for YOUR opinion, I'm not here to have a flame war with you about this, so like I said for the 12th time, move on, quit trying to push you're liberal ways on me or anyone Else on this matter case closed.......if you want to continue arguing about this why don't you go to one of those websites who do care about gay parents rights and let this one die already, for god sake let it go!American Psychological Association wrote:
Sexual Orientation. A number of investigators have also studied a third component of sexual identity, sexual orientation (Bailey, Bobrow, Wolfe, & Mickach, 1995; Bozett, 1980, 1987, 1989; Gottman, 1990; Golombok & Tasker, 1996; Green, 1978; Huggins, 1989; Miller, 1979; Paul, 1986; Rees, 1979; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). In all studies, the great majority of offspring of both lesbian mothers and gay fathers described themselves as heterosexual. Taken together, the data do not suggest elevated rates of homosexuality among the offspring of lesbian or gay parents.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications … ldren.html
Last edited by davidonbf2 (2007-04-22 09:31:44)
While I'm at it, here's the research comparing gay parents to heterosexual parents:
Summary: no difference.American Psychological Association wrote:
Studies of other aspects of personal development among children of lesbian and gay parents have assessed a broad array of characteristics. Among these have been separation-individuation (Steckel, 1985, 1987), psychiatric evaluations (Golombok et al., 1983; Kirkpatrick et al., 1981), behavior problems (Brewaeys et al., 1997; Chan, Raboy et al., 1998; Flaks, et al., 1995; Gartrell, Deck, Rodas, Peyser, & Banks, 2005; Golombok et al., 1983, 1997; Patterson, 1994a; Tasker & Golombok, 1995, 1997; Wainright et al., 2004), personality (Gottman, 1990; Tasker & Golombok, 1995, 1997), self-concept (Golombok, Tasker, & Murray, 1997; Gottman, 1990, Huggins, 1989; Patterson, 1994a; Puryear, 1983; Wainright et al., 2004), locus of control (Puryear, 1983; Rees, 1979), moral judgment (Rees, 1979), school adjustment (Wainright et al., 2004), and intelligence (Green et al., 1986). Research suggests that concerns about difficulties in these areas among children of lesbian mothers are unwarranted (Patterson, 1997, 2000; Parks, 1998; Perrin, 1998, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999). As was the case for sexual identity, studies of these aspects of personal development have revealed no major differences between children of lesbian versus heterosexual mothers.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications … ldren.html
Sorry buddy, you do not run this thread. If you do not wish to post here anymore, ( and I don't blame you) then you are the one who needs to move on.
let it go/move onlowing wrote:
Sorry buddy, you do not run this thread. If you do not wish to post here anymore, ( and I don't blame you) then you are the one who needs to move on.
good post.san4 wrote:
While I'm at it, here's the research comparing gay parents to heterosexual parents:Summary: no difference.American Psychological Association wrote:
Studies of other aspects of personal development among children of lesbian and gay parents have assessed a broad array of characteristics. Among these have been separation-individuation (Steckel, 1985, 1987), psychiatric evaluations (Golombok et al., 1983; Kirkpatrick et al., 1981), behavior problems (Brewaeys et al., 1997; Chan, Raboy et al., 1998; Flaks, et al., 1995; Gartrell, Deck, Rodas, Peyser, & Banks, 2005; Golombok et al., 1983, 1997; Patterson, 1994a; Tasker & Golombok, 1995, 1997; Wainright et al., 2004), personality (Gottman, 1990; Tasker & Golombok, 1995, 1997), self-concept (Golombok, Tasker, & Murray, 1997; Gottman, 1990, Huggins, 1989; Patterson, 1994a; Puryear, 1983; Wainright et al., 2004), locus of control (Puryear, 1983; Rees, 1979), moral judgment (Rees, 1979), school adjustment (Wainright et al., 2004), and intelligence (Green et al., 1986). Research suggests that concerns about difficulties in these areas among children of lesbian mothers are unwarranted (Patterson, 1997, 2000; Parks, 1998; Perrin, 1998, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999). As was the case for sexual identity, studies of these aspects of personal development have revealed no major differences between children of lesbian versus heterosexual mothers.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications … ldren.html
Yeah, sometimes actual facts can be useful in a debate.lowing wrote:
good post.san4 wrote:
While I'm at it, here's the research comparing gay parents to heterosexual parents:Summary: no difference.American Psychological Association wrote:
Studies of other aspects of personal development among children of lesbian and gay parents have assessed a broad array of characteristics. Among these have been separation-individuation (Steckel, 1985, 1987), psychiatric evaluations (Golombok et al., 1983; Kirkpatrick et al., 1981), behavior problems (Brewaeys et al., 1997; Chan, Raboy et al., 1998; Flaks, et al., 1995; Gartrell, Deck, Rodas, Peyser, & Banks, 2005; Golombok et al., 1983, 1997; Patterson, 1994a; Tasker & Golombok, 1995, 1997; Wainright et al., 2004), personality (Gottman, 1990; Tasker & Golombok, 1995, 1997), self-concept (Golombok, Tasker, & Murray, 1997; Gottman, 1990, Huggins, 1989; Patterson, 1994a; Puryear, 1983; Wainright et al., 2004), locus of control (Puryear, 1983; Rees, 1979), moral judgment (Rees, 1979), school adjustment (Wainright et al., 2004), and intelligence (Green et al., 1986). Research suggests that concerns about difficulties in these areas among children of lesbian mothers are unwarranted (Patterson, 1997, 2000; Parks, 1998; Perrin, 1998, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999). As was the case for sexual identity, studies of these aspects of personal development have revealed no major differences between children of lesbian versus heterosexual mothers.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications … ldren.html
just try and not confuse him with too many of them, his mind is made up.san4 wrote:
Yeah, sometimes actual facts can be useful in a debate.lowing wrote:
good post.san4 wrote:
While I'm at it, here's the research comparing gay parents to heterosexual parents:
Summary: no difference.
Ban please.davidonbf2 wrote:
let it go/move onlowing wrote:
just try and not confuse him with too many of them, his mind is made up.san4 wrote:
Yeah, sometimes actual facts can be useful in a debate.
shut up/go awaydavidonbf2 wrote:
let it go/move onlowing wrote:
Sorry buddy, you do not run this thread. If you do not wish to post here anymore, ( and I don't blame you) then you are the one who needs to move on.
-konfusion
how about you do what you suggested,let it go/move onkonfusion wrote:
shut up/go awaydavidonbf2 wrote:
let it go/move onlowing wrote:
Sorry buddy, you do not run this thread. If you do not wish to post here anymore, ( and I don't blame you) then you are the one who needs to move on.
-konfusion