Well...I could.sergeriver wrote:
Can you kill +30 people with a knife in a couple of minutes?usmarine2005 wrote:
Are knives legal in England? I see a decent amount of stabbings in the news once and a while.PekkaA wrote:
You have pretty twisted idea of freedom. I just don't understand how owning firearms makes someone "free".
Just because the rest of the free (*AHEM*) world lost their rights to carry a weapon, do not think for one sorry ass minute of yours, we are going to give our rights up. This guy obviously because he is a hypocrite. Not because of our right to carry weapons.Shem wrote:
*sigh* I can't see why you are defending guns, what practical use do they honestly have?
I agree, but why would you make it easier for the wacko?usmarine2005 wrote:
Well...I could.sergeriver wrote:
Can you kill +30 people with a knife in a couple of minutes?usmarine2005 wrote:
Are knives legal in England? I see a decent amount of stabbings in the news once and a while.
But lets be real here. Legal or illegal, a crazy person will find a way to do what he has to do.
It is not a stupid comparison, and it isn't really just a comparison either.PureFodder wrote:
Stupid comparison.Kmarion wrote:
You are correct, we hold our freedoms close to our heart.KILLSWITCH wrote:
If there is one thing I have learned about most Americans, it is that when it comes to guns they are stubborn, and even stating proven facts and figures will not get them to admit that tighter gun controls WORK.
We are all flogging a dead horse.
Again, lets play stats.Do we ban bathing?United States National Safety Council wrote:
Assault Firearm discharge odds 1 of 1,196,983
Drowning and submersion while in or falling into bath-tub odds 1 of 807,349
Hows about you add all firearms to that list rather than just assault weapons. Or we could compare how many people were killed by assault weapons to how many people were killed by Ariston Heavy Gauge 1700 x 700 Steel Baths. Suddenly the statistics favour the baths.
How many times and for how long does the average person positively use a bath on an average day compared to how long they use an assault weapon. If you used your assault weapons as often as you used your bath youd either be very dangerous to be around or have a cloud of festering body odour following you around.
What are the disadvantages to not having a bath compaired to not having assault weapons? loosing baths would loose alot of personal hygiene, loosing assault weapons would loose.......... actually as criminals now cannot steal the assault rifles from people, there's a real benefit to not having them in the first place.
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lol yeah you do. Thats because its the most serious of crimes here, yet our knifing rate is the same as the US's... Strange that isnt it.usmarine2005 wrote:
Are knives legal in England? I see a decent amount of stabbings in the news once and a while.PekkaA wrote:
You have pretty twisted idea of freedom. I just don't understand how owning firearms makes someone "free".Kmarion wrote:
Odds of getting killed by a firearm in America 0.0279271 per 1,000 people. Worth giving up your freedoms?
Well, why not make them illegal then?Vilham wrote:
lol yeah you do. Thats because its the most serious of crimes here, yet our knifing rate is the same as the US's... Strange that isnt it.usmarine2005 wrote:
Are knives legal in England? I see a decent amount of stabbings in the news once and a while.PekkaA wrote:
You have pretty twisted idea of freedom. I just don't understand how owning firearms makes someone "free".
What are you dribbling about?smtt686 wrote:
Just because the rest of the free (*AHEM*) world lost their rights to carry a weapon, do not think for one sorry ass minute of yours, we are going to give our rights up. This guy obviously because he is a hypocrite. Not because of our right to carry weapons.Shem wrote:
*sigh* I can't see why you are defending guns, what practical use do they honestly have?
Is it not 3 inch?Vilham wrote:
Because knifes are used as everyday objects.
I think you will find carrying a knife longer than 1 inch on the streets is also illegal in England, we already have strict laws surrounding knifes.
I didn't know that. So it seems restrictions against knives do not help do they?Vilham wrote:
Because knifes are used as everyday objects.
I think you will find carrying a knife longer than 1 inch on the streets is also illegal in England, we already have strict laws surrounding knifes.
Can someone find the odds of being killed in America in a terrorist attack? I have a feeling they're even lower than this, but idiots were lining up at the polls to support having their freedoms removed by the Patriot Act. Why is the risk of getting killed by a terrorist worth giving up some freedom, but getting killed by a dumbass in your city is not?Kmarion wrote:
Odds of getting killed by a firearm in America 0.0279271 per 1,000 people. Worth giving up your freedoms?
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How hard is it to pull a kitchen knife out of the drawer?usmarine2005 wrote:
I didn't know that. So it seems restrictions against knives do not help do they?Vilham wrote:
Because knifes are used as everyday objects.
I think you will find carrying a knife longer than 1 inch on the streets is also illegal in England, we already have strict laws surrounding knifes.
You will never convince a gun wielding American of that. To them having the biggest weapon is the only way to stop someone harming them (eg nukes)... apparently they never heard of diplomacy.Shem wrote:
What are you dribbling about?smtt686 wrote:
Just because the rest of the free (*AHEM*) world lost their rights to carry a weapon, do not think for one sorry ass minute of yours, we are going to give our rights up. This guy obviously because he is a hypocrite. Not because of our right to carry weapons.Shem wrote:
*sigh* I can't see why you are defending guns, what practical use do they honestly have?
I don't want a gun, I don't want the hundreds of chavs I live near to have guns, if there were guns legally allowed in England crime would sky rocket.
Guns should not be needed to defend yourself in the first place!
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All knife crimes are from the kitchen set?Shem wrote:
How hard is it to pull a kitchen knife out of the drawer?usmarine2005 wrote:
I didn't know that. So it seems restrictions against knives do not help do they?Vilham wrote:
Because knifes are used as everyday objects.
I think you will find carrying a knife longer than 1 inch on the streets is also illegal in England, we already have strict laws surrounding knifes.
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Yea, I'm not complaining. It is a sad for these events to happen, but sometimes it does. I won't ever give up my right to gun control because of the fact that the United States population is entitled to the right to bear arms which if taken away infringes on their right to throw off a tyranical government. We don't have one right now, and if you say we do you have no idea what tyranny really is, but in the future there more then likely will be someone that tries to establish one and it is the reasonability of the people of the United States to throw down that government and it is not possible to do if they have to face an armed military.Vilham wrote:
Yeah fair enough, but i dont want to hear any of you complaining when people go around your country and shoot up malls and schools with legally bought guns. And dont give me crap about how they would get them illegally, when someone wants revenge in England they dont go into the seedy blackmarket to get a gun to take someone out, they just get a knife, but atleast that way the person being attacked has a chance and other people are unlikely to be hurt aswell.
As many people have already said, why make it easy for him.Poseidon wrote:
It didn't matter if this kid had a gun or not.
He was going to kill people, with a gun, knife, car...whatever he could find.
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People in the US have always had the right to own guns. I think we are missing the bigger issue here. Years ago when gun laws were WAY more liberal, why didn't stuff like this happen as often as it does now?Vilham wrote:
As many people have already said, why make it easy for him.Poseidon wrote:
It didn't matter if this kid had a gun or not.
He was going to kill people, with a gun, knife, car...whatever he could find.
Well, firearms aren't that big of a deal. Anyone with a metal shop and some blueprints can make one if he really wanted to. Drugs are also illegal, but we still have problems with them...Cougar wrote:
Holy shit, logic.ThomasMorgan wrote:
...and how would that stop the illegal acquisition of firearms?Shem wrote:
Whole affair is bullshit,
perhaps the americans will realise guns and idiots don't mix, stop selling them legally.
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Of the largely public with mass media attention shootings many of those have been legally bought guns because they are usually brought on by people who have no idea how to commit a crime. Great you filed off the serial number, you can learn to do that from any random episode of Law and Order. A lot of the firearm crimes happen in the ghetto, projects, and other such areas where a lot of the gun dealing is with hot merchandise, that is, firearms off of the black market. Either stolen, lifted, shaved, or illegal in other means. I grew up in a school system where I had guns and knives pulled on me, and truthfully it didn't scare me because the kids doing it were too scared to hardly even hold the weapons. The knife was illegal in the state that I was attending school and the gun was off the market evidently because it was later traced to the kid (he used it in self defense surprisingly, but carted off for illegal possession of a firearm) and through a local gang member.Vilham wrote:
Usmarine no matter what you say your argument fails. The UK has the same knife crime rate as the US and yet it has 8x lower gun crime rates. Seriously stop trying to make a point. Everyone can see from the facts GUN CONTROL WORKS. Accept that it is true, doesn't mean you have to wish it to happen, but it also doesn't make it any less of a fact.
I said I see your point Mr. sensitive.Vilham wrote:
but I not going to be a door to door preacher and preach to people that dont want to be preached to.
Parents push raising their kids off onto society and forget to teach the morals, right from wrong, etc etc. Sure there is always going to be a bad apple but today's society raised society is not helping the matters that much.usmarine2005 wrote:
People in the US have always had the right to own guns. I think we are missing the bigger issue here. Years ago when gun laws were WAY more liberal, why didn't stuff like this happen as often as it does now?Vilham wrote:
As many people have already said, why make it easy for him.Poseidon wrote:
It didn't matter if this kid had a gun or not.
He was going to kill people, with a gun, knife, car...whatever he could find.
Wow. The arrogance in assuming that GOD gave you the right to CARRY A WEAPON. Not God-given, self-given. Get it through your head.(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
Nope, it's our God given right; and no one will ever change my mind or my freedom in owning one. Period. Thank God for the Bill of Rights, and the brave men that wrote them. May they RIP.Kmarion wrote:
Odds of getting killed by a firearm in America 0.0279271 per 1,000 people. Worth giving up your freedoms?
Thanks, that's a first for me..lolPekkaA wrote:
You have pretty twisted idea of freedom. I just don't understand how owning firearms makes someone "free".Kmarion wrote:
Odds of getting killed by a firearm in America 0.0279271 per 1,000 people. Worth giving up your freedoms?