BF2S Forums The disgrace of the aftermath of 9/11

Varegg wrote:

ATG wrote:

Varegg wrote:

If you read the first post you would have known that this is not another conspiracy thread !

Oh, but it is.
The premise of your OP is suggesting the U.S. let it happen.

Which may indeed by the case:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 5#p1312775

Assuming it's not, I'd say we beat the enemy quickly in battle, but lost the war of politics to the press and bleeding hearts.

Oh, but it isn`t - i wrote the thread and specifically wrote in the opening statement that it isn`t another conspiracy thread but a tribute to the few that have worked hard to get a few answers, and imho they receive the same shocking treatment as soldiers wounded in battle and thats a disgrace !

@Kmarion - The issue here is with all the background info the government had is:

*Why was there no warning ?
*How could they let this happend ?
*When the first plane hit tower 1, why didn`t the terror alarm sound throughout the country - tower 2coulhave begun evacuation much sooner !
*Why did all the precautions only go out to the top brass ?

I cant believe some of you dont see the need for a full invastigation around 9/11 !

Varegg I have always maintained there were failures and even an unwillingness to disclose information. The disgrace is not limited to a single party or administration, I guarantee that. In fact I'm pretty sure the Clinton administration was warned numerous times when they were continuing to cut intelligence spending. It is time to focus on prevention though.

Warning? Elaborate please. I remind you that every one of the hijackers were in this country legally.

Let it happen? Probably the same way the Brits let the subway bombings happen? Terrorist usually don't announce what they are going to do specifically before they do it.

How did everyone let all these happen?
   

• 7 March 2006 - 2006 Varanasi bombings. An attack attributed to Lashkar-e-Toiba by Uttar Pradesh government officials, over 28 killed and over 100 injured, in a series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi. Uttar Pradesh government officials.   
• 9 November 2005 - 2005 Amman bombings. Over 60 killed and 115 injured, in a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan. Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.   
• 29 October 2005 - 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.   
• 23 July 2005 - Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.   
• 7 July 2005 - Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.   
• 4 February 2005 - Muslim militants attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.   
• 3 September 2004 Approximately 344 civilians including 186 children, are killed during the Beslan school hostage crisis.   
• 11 March 2004 - Multiple bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured. (alleged link to Al-Qaeda)   
• 16 May 2004- Casablanca Attacks - 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafaia Jihadia.   
• 12 October 2002 - Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.   
• 24 September 2002 - Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.   
• 7 May 2002 - Bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured   
• 9 March 2002 - Café suicide bombing in Jerusalem; 11 killed, 54 injured   
• 3 March 2002 - Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 29 dead, 133 injured   
• 13 December 2001-Suicide attack on India's parliament in New Delhi. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. Allegedly done by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba.   
• 7 August 1998 - 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured   
• 25 June 1996 - Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.   
• 24 December 1994 - Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers   
• 26 February 1993 - World Trade Center bombing. 6 killed.   
• 18 April 1983 - April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing in Beirut, Lebanon. 63 killed.

This is just scratching the surface.The towers had been attacked before, no one had thought the towers would fall. I don't think there has been any actual test done in which planes full of jet fuel slam into the side of a 110 story building. Just listen to the audio of that day and you can hear the disbelief in everyone voice as the towers came down.When a nation is under attack of course the people who run the country (Top Brass) are going to be protected in every manner possible. This is to maintain the government and prevent anarchy. It is a crucial priority for the good of everyone.There has been improvements made since the attacks. We have passed laws that help all of our intelligence agencies better communicate with each other. We started the Department of Homeland Security. 

• Awareness -- Identify and understand threats, assess vulnerabilities, determine potential impacts and disseminate timely information to our homeland security partners and the American public.   
• Prevention — Detect, deter and mitigate threats to our homeland.   
• Protection — Safeguard our people and their freedoms, critical infrastructure, property and the economy of our Nation from acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies.   
• Response — Lead, manage and coordinate the national response to acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies.   
• Recovery — Lead national, state, local and private sector efforts to restore services and rebuild communities after acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies.   
• Service — Serve the public effectively by facilitating lawful trade, travel and immigration.   
• Organizational Excellence — Value our most important resource, our people. Create a culture that promotes a common identity, innovation, mutual respect, accountability and teamwork to achieve efficiencies, effectiveness, and operational synergies.

I would list the specific improvement/changes but my post would be extremely long.
Feel free to browse around for yourself.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-04-12 00:46:49)

Varegg wrote:

All good and valid points Kmarion but slightly off topic, you can`t deny the fact that every bit of information about the 9/11 incident have been released after enormous pressure from the families of those that lost their lives that day.

And when information have been leaked about the massive amount of solid warnings about specific events about to unfold i find it strange that the your government still keeps further information to themselves.

And don't you think its funny that they spend 100 million dollars on investigating Clinton and so far only have used 14 million dollars on the 9/11 commission ?

I tried to answer everything you asked the best I could. I even agreed with you to a degree.

varegg... hahahahahahahahhahahahahahaa  thanks for the laugh....

It happened cause America has been persecuting the middle east for a few decades but was in denial :0

It was covered up cause the goverment knew of the plan, and wanted it to happen


Reason:   
#1. Cause we NOW live in a world where any new laws(even civil laws) can be justified by                   claiming"terrorists!"
#2 Western Military spending went up. A lot.
#3 Foriegn military incursions are now "accepted" by the majority of Americans and western countries.
#4 US cultural onslaught worldwide can continue with little or no opposition.

......................I have seen several doco's here in Australia showing evidence that the Cia & the goverment actually planted bombs to increase the death toll...so that "any" measures taken later could be justified.

Sad and scary to think the powers that be are corrupt/complacent about death...but when outsiders look at America as a whole,goverment,corporation,the public...it seems like the culture is,  "get rich" then "defend your wealth with lies and violence "....

$$$$$$$..I think Americans as a whole has justified being rich for so long, that acts of selfishness and greed are widely accepted as normal/rational...even from the goverment(you gladly expect it from corporations)

The amount of links Bush & friends has to US corporations and middle eastern business and military should have made even the most docile citizen think "what the....!

The first "true" corporate goverment?

Last edited by Superglueman (2007-04-12 03:56:28)

Kmarion wrote:

Superglueman wrote:

It happened cause America has been persecuting the middle east for a few decades but was in denial,

But I thought Clinton almost had the Palestinian/Israeli conflict worked out?
http://i14.tinypic.com/2zsuwdj.jpg

He may have, but was deposed...

and the situation went from bad to worse..

Varegg wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Superglueman wrote:

It happened cause America has been persecuting the middle east for a few decades but was in denial,

But I thought Clinton almost had the Palestinian/Israeli conflict worked out?
http://i14.tinypic.com/2zsuwdj.jpg

Clinton was well on his way on that issue until an terrorist shot the guy on the left !

And thus the reality Cycle continues. Clinton did put forth an effort and at least got them talking. However,  it's kinda hard to focus on every problem the world has when you have two wars going on, hurricanes, an inherited recession, 9/11 attacks, and corporate scandals. My plan is simple, Israel needs to fall back to the pre-1967 borders . Hopefully this new government in Palestine can get a hold of the rouges out there also.

http://policestate21.com/

Varegg wrote:

Was expecting a harder beating, any more americans that want to comment on this ?

What were we talking about?