BF2S Forums On the n-word and other slurs...

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

dude, if your gonna say "Black People", im gonna take you for meaning "Black People"  glad you cleared yourself up NOW. maybe you should change your wording.

i stick by my original two posts where i explained my position exactly. i didn't change anything, im not going to, i simply repeated myself or referenced my original postings. im sorry it took 4 or so posts after that for you to get what i meant (despite it being clearly worded originally...)

If you have an actual point to make or a comment on that besides a question of clarification on what i mean when i say something and explain it, please, bring it up now so we can get back on track here.

I am less concerned about the double standard in use of the N word.  They can call each other whatever they want.....but I won't.......big deal.  What I find amusing is the double standard that the black community can refer to whites as anything they damn well please and often freely get away with it without any serious (if at all) social ramifications. 

KiL

Alright if I understand the starter of this post he’s basically addressing bitchy white people who want to use nigger or feel upset if they did you use it, they’d get in trouble. Also, almost all the time when black people are talking and using it, it’s NiggA not NiggER. Nigger is derogatory; Nigga is like friend although on occasion black people will still say Nigger But both words are used almost always in joking. There is a double standard. But if a white person calls a black person Nigga or Nigger, they'll almost always Nigger and for the same meaning it was created with. So when black people are saying it, they're just joking around with their friends, mostly when white people say it around black people they're not joking. Unless if you're white and you have a certain set of black freind(s) you hang out with and it’s okay with them for you to say it you can say it. Since they either don’t care about it or they know you well enough that you'll be just joking when you use it like they do because nobody wants to upset their friends. Plenty of white comedians have used it on stage with a mostly black audience without being booed off stage. A white comedian even used it on BET's ComicView. They used it because they knew they are using it the way black people use it, were just joking around, not trying to offend anyone they're job was to get those people to laugh and that’s
what they did. Now sometimes black people will call white people honky or redneck or cracker. Usually they're their friends that they hang out with. Because again you don’t say something to your friend that’s going to piss them off. Now if they're just kidding around its okay, if not they're as racist as the white people that say nigger to black people and are not joking. About white people calling each other and themselves honky or cracker or redneck. The only time I’ve heard this was from people from the South in small towns. Then most of them wouldn’t want a black person calling them that at all. So that seems even and fair some white people and some black people have a double standard.



black people had to fight for centuries to get rid of that term,

Haha the term never went away. Just because slavery stopped doesn’t mean that people stopped being racist


to have the rights they have today and to finally put an end to slavery

Black people fought for their rights with help from non-ignorant white people. But
very few black people could even helped fight for their freedom.



It is derogatory, offensive to older generations of black people

How would feel if somebody could just call you something meaning it in the meanest way possibly several times a day and be  able to really do nothing. That’s why they have such hate of the word and most younger black people now don’t realize that



Why is it their is a NAACP which basically protects blacks civil rights etc? If whites had that wouldn't that be racist?


I think the NAACP was formed in 1905. Early in the last century where blacks were discriminated against openly
and often if this was happening to whites they should deserve the same thing.



Why is it there is all black univercities and what not? if their was all white it would be racist wouldn't it?


Well there are black universities to somewhat preserve and promote black culture not to discriminate. You see white people had already tried out that all white school thing. Turns out they did it to keep those damn niggers out. There are still some all white groups out there too. But there not too popular with the public (at least the black public) like the K.K.K. for instance. So if an all white school did try to start up they better have all their shit in line if they don’t want to criticized, protested against and possibly shut down.


Also if you want to go more in depth. Apartheid for example, whites had ruled South Africa between 1949 and 1994. Now even though Nelson Mandela was locked away for protesting, and then later freed in 1994 in which he imposed the affirmative action policy which basically meant that if a white and a black went for a job, the black would be favored, it still remains like that which pushed away 1000's of whites out of South Africa. Is that not wrong? Even though it was their country in the first place if we Americans and British allow Africans to live and have jobs in our countries should they not do the same for theirs?

Alright so when the white were in power it was ok for them to discriminate blacks. Yet when the blacks get in power they can’t return the favor even to 1/10 the degree the white people did?

You're talking about us white guys right?  How we'd feel if black people could call us whatever they wanted and get away with it?  Yeah, welcome to America, 2007.

You obviously dont know what race I am so stfu about that. Black people can call you whatever they want. White people can call black people whatever they want. Its freedom of speech. That doesnt make it  morally right. I even said in that post if a black person or a white person calls you cracker or nigger not jokingly they're rascist.

You're talking about us white guys right? 

That statement is assuming I'm not white.


You obviously missed MY point.  I made no mention or even supposition about YOUR race.  I was addressing specifically the question you asked: "How would you feel if....?"  The question itself suggests that the people reading it don't understand the feeling, and must therefore be instrospective about it.

Yes white people dont know shit about having to use a different restroom or different drinking fountain because white people didnt want niggers using the same ones they did.



I'm telling you that it is an obvious problem that black people can call white people anything they damn well please and GET AWAY WITH IT.

Really, how do they get away with it as white people dont? I cant think of some black announcer or comedian that went on a rampage saying cracker. Talking about hanging a cracker or saying rascist shit about some girls. This is the white person's fault who said some shit he shouldn't have. If a black person said any shit like this in the same cirumstances he would've had the same consequences. Now if you're just talking about on the street, there's no consequences on either side unless there's a fight. Now please give me an example of when a black person on t.v. said some rasicst shit and got away with it. Also note that in the case of Kramer hes a comedian. He depends on his popularity for people to come see his show. Imus he gave the radio station a bad rep and he lost listeners which he needs to make money. So give me an example of a working black person on t.v. who made a rasict statement and went unpunished.


Therefore, as a white person, I know EXACTLY how it feels.

You dont know shit of what Im talking about. A black person called you a honky or something else? White people call black people niggers.  You might know of that, but not of living in a mostly rasicst country against you. How about when you're a little kid and some old calls you a cracker because he hates your race? Are there any groups in America that just hate whites as the KKK or other groups like that?





However, it is far more socially acceptable for a black person to call a white person a deragatory name than vice versa.

So according to you if 2 students were sent up to the office. One white one black. One of them called the other a nigger and the other called the other a cracker the black kid would get less of a punishment since its more socially acceptable. Thats bullshit the only case this would be right is if a black person  called a white person a honky or something and that white person didn't care. Yet when that same black person get called a nigger shit will happen. In my opinion nigger is more offensive than any white slur. It has more meaning and history behind it. But still the same punishment is going to happen.




No.  I'm upset that THEY can be, without any serious repercussions.

show me an example