BF2S Forums no more religious schools

PluggedValve wrote:

Where i live the catholic schools are generally considered a bit better education but you ave to be a catholic to attend.  That creates a society where the religeous get a better education than the non religeous(an elitist society).  No wonder there are so many followers, its the best way to go to a good school and then get a good job.  So really, these religeous schools are 12 year sales seminars.

Where do you live that Catholic schools won't accept non-Catholics?  We have a few non-Catholics at my son's Catholic school. BTW, religion is not shoved down his throat.  It's more of a combination of history and ethics/moral teachings.  One bonus of private schools is parent participation.  I know more about my son's classmates and their parents, than my parents and I ever did when I went to public school.

BTW, they also offer scholarships/paid tuition to less fortunate kids.

Last edited by Ilocano (2007-04-03 13:05:53)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

(although that could be attributed to extremely hot teenage girls parading around in catholic schoolgirl outfits ).

Don't even get that image into my mind.  I'll burn in hell.

College girls in Catholic school girl outfits, well, that's a different story...

Stingray24 wrote:

Everyone has bias, religious or not.   As you said, both are theories and neither are completely proven.  Therefore, the two should be taught, allowing the individual to make the decision regarding which theory they believe.   Teaching only one theory is keeping people in the dark, teaching both is educating.  If a public school only presents one side, they aren't educating by your own standard.  The reality is that all the religious schools I have attended presented evolutionary theory and also presented ID theory. 

I agree that both theories should be taught.  They usually are in either system.  Its just the bias that can come out of it(I guess in either system) especially in a religeous school, IMO.

PluggedValve wrote:

I dont believe in private education, i think it creates an elitist society and grows the gap between rich and poor.  Cant afford a good university, cant get a high paying job, cant send kids to a good university and the cycle begins again.

Huh, I was a rich kid and I didn't even realize it.  I attended private schools K-12 and my father made less than 30K per year.  Go figure.

Way to go!!  not sarcastically.  Most of the time they expect you to have a high skill level in sports or high marks to give you a free private education.

PluggedValve wrote:

IMO Private schools are what should be banned, not "religeous schools".  It just so happens that all religeous schools are private.  Its not even that they should be banned, but they should not be the equivelant of public school.  It should be an after school class for those who want it.  If you want to know about your religeon use your time to do it, not the time when science or math are being taught. 

Where i live the catholic schools are generally considered a bit better education but you ave to be a catholic to attend.  That creates a society where the religeous get a better education than the non religeous(an elitist society).  No wonder there are so many followers, its the best way to go to a good school and then get a good job.  So really, these religeous schools are 12 year sales seminars.

Based solely on your statements, I’m assuming you’ve never attended a private or “religious” school.  Do you honestly think that just because the school is religious that they don’t have the ability to properly teach English and Math?  Come on now.  And I’ve never seen a religious school that requires conversion to attend.  Pay the tuition and you’re in is the rule of thumb in the US.

I have attended a catholic private school.  Christian Ethics was my required religeous course.  I had to have a document that said i had done my confirmation as a catholic.  I currently live in Calgary Canada and i attended school in Canada as well.  My christian ethics teacher was a very passionate man and some of us that were more questioning would ask questions that he could not answer.  His response was that you have to have faith.  So with a response like that, i was never satasfied that this should be a course in a school where it is given equal credit with english or math. 

I never said a catholic or religeous person couldn't teach math or english.  Science on the other hand i think contradicts religeon and therefor should not be taught by a religeous school.  If a catholic (example) can leave his religeon at the door and present his class with both points of view then i am ok with him/ her teaching that class.  When this teacher is payed by his religeous background there is alot of potential for bias because they expect him to teach a certain structure, which could include ID being given presedence.

theelviscerator wrote:

All islamic schools should be banned from all non islamic countries.

islam is mainly a hostile form of government, hiding behind the facade of religion.

The Caliphate is the goal.

If I was living in Europe right now I would have two choices, draw the line in the sand, and fight them, or run away.

What will you do?

Tell that to the countries with Islam as the main religion that have secular governments.

Islam as a form of government, just like our country being founded on so-called Judeo-Christian law (which it wasn't, but many religious people try to imply)?

Instead you live in the US, where you "are either with us or against us."

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-04-03 14:14:01)

Chuckles wrote:

I'll grant you that.  I was thinking more about the fact that private/religious schools are not held to the same educational standards as public schools.  I think that if the government said that we can have religious schools for the teaching of religion only, but all children are required to attend public schools to get their core education (the 3 "R's" and whatnot).  If you feel strongly that you want your child to have some extra religious schooling (I'm envisioning a super charged Sunday school) then I'm sure you wouldn't mind the extra effort involved.

I'm not saying that I think this is a good idea (because it's not), but I certainly think the argument can be made under those parameters without stepping on the Constitution.

I agree that religious/private schools are not held to the same standards.  I am not too educated on the laws regarding certification of private/religious schools, but I would imagine it is not too easy for them to get state/federal certificates as long as they have exit exams etc. (that's a whole other topic).

When I was younger (6-14) I attended public school and CCD (catechism school).  I went to my church school after regular school on Tuesdays until I was confirmed into the Catholic Church.  I have no problem whatsoever with that.  Except for the whole forcing Catholicism/archaic doctrine on me.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-04-03 15:36:56)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Chuckles wrote:

I'll grant you that.  I was thinking more about the fact that private/religious schools are not held to the same educational standards as public schools.  I think that if the government said that we can have religious schools for the teaching of religion only, but all children are required to attend public schools to get their core education (the 3 "R's" and whatnot).  If you feel strongly that you want your child to have some extra religious schooling (I'm envisioning a super charged Sunday school) then I'm sure you wouldn't mind the extra effort involved.

I'm not saying that I think this is a good idea (because it's not), but I certainly think the argument can be made under those parameters without stepping on the Constitution.

I agree that religious/private schools are not held to the same standards.  I am not too educated on the laws regarding certification of private/religious schools, but I would imagine it is not too easy for them to get state/federal certificates as long as they have exit exams etc. (that's a whole other topic).

When I was younger (6-14) I attended public school and CCD (catechism school).  I went to my church school after regular school on Tuesdays until I was confirmed into the Catholic Church.  I have no problem whatsoever with that.  Except for the whole forcing Catholicism/archaic doctrine on me.

Did you want to go to tuesday church school???  Why donk shitt we wait until people are older before forcing them to make a decision on religeon.  What does a 14 year old know about life??  He knows jack shit about jackshit. 

Try to convert an intelligent 25 year old with no understanding what so ever about religeon that he needs to attend church on sunday, repent his sins to some dude (that probably molests kids), and that Some guy named Jesus parted the Red Sea, walked on water, turned water to wine and made blind people see again.  He would reply "Cool, how do you know this?"    Then what.  "Uhhh, my pastor told me that.  Its written in a book that is over 2000 years old."(this book, the bible, has been rewritten a couple times every century, by humans not God)  Oh yah, it NEVER was written by God.  It was written by some "prophets" who interrpretted Gods word.  The intelligent 25 year old is going to laugh at you and ask why on earth you would believe it.

Response to post #62 by PluggedValve (not quoted to make the post shorter):
As a parent, I choose to take my children to church because I want them to learn about God.  In my opinion, it is my duty to communicate my beliefs to my children and place them in an environment where they will be taught values I agree with.  My children may reject my beliefs if they choose, but I wouldn’t be doing my job as a parent if I took no steps to guide them or teach them.  Also, no one can force a person to believe anything or to make a decision regarding religion since that is always an individual choice.  If you reject religion or specifically Catholicism in your case, that is your prerogative, but please don't judge my decision as if I'm forcing my children to do something harmful. 

When I speak to an intelligent 25 year old about God, I won’t tell him to go to church and I won’t tell him to confess to a man sitting in a booth (only God is worthy of that position and repeating a mantra won't absolve anything).  Instead, I’ll ask him what he believes about God and the after life and we’ll have in intelligent discussion.  I would not necessarily bring up the miracles of Jesus, but instead discuss Jesus’ claim of divinity.  If he asks how I know what I’m telling him is true, I’ll describe my research on the validity of the Bible . . . not “my pastor told me”.   If he categorically rejects the Bible as a source of truth I’ll ask him why and we’ll have more discussion.  Then I'll probably encourage him to research it himself with an open mind and then make his own decision, instead of simply dismissing it.

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Last edited by topal63 (2007-04-06 11:12:43)

Ilocano wrote:

Arthur: You know, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.
Ford: Why, what did she tell you?
Arthur: I don't know, I didn't listen.



Now it is such a bizarrely impossible coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the nonexistence of God. The arguement goes something like this:


"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," say Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't though of that" and promply vanishes in a puff of logic.

--THGTG

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Ilocano wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Douglas Adams!

The movie sucked.  But the series was awesome (didn't see all of it though).   THGTG always comes to mind when people get way too serious about religion and the  "meaning of life".

I didn't even bother to see the movie.  I've only seen a few episodes of the series, but the book(s) were awesome.