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protesters throw rotten fruit, governments throw cluster bombs

sergeriver wrote:

Maybe conservatives don't know their constitutional rights.

Throwing crap at someones vehicle is not a constitutional right.

Damn I just noticed foxnews runs a bunch of junk scripts on their site.
http://i14.tinypic.com/4h7s4ux.jpg
Dirty whores..lol

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-04-04 18:16:04)

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Maybe conservatives don't know their constitutional rights.

Throwing crap at someones vehicle is not a constitutional right.

I don't know but being this guy an advisor of this administration he got a good deal after all, I mean he only received crap.  You combat crap with more crap.

Funny no arrests. He accepted that he deserved it.

Well, the Iranians are throwing rocks. If they're doing it, it must be cool!

hmmm... i seriously thought that my comment about no conservative doing something like that would challenge somebody to find an instance in which they have.... seeing nothing posted about it, im going to come to the conclusion, still, that conservatives seems to be a little more, i dont know...., adult in the way they handle themselves, especially when they dont agree with something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristalnacht
When conservatives do it, they do it better than anyone

Lets see, a little closer to home....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_Riot
My personal favorite...but not so violent, just funny..."We don't need no steenking democratic process!"

Family planning clinics needing escorts and bodyguards...why would that be so?
http://www.echonyc.com/~bpcn/nynow.html

Police protection needed for anti-war demonstrators?  Not in my free speech zone!
http://www.ccmep.org/hotnews/peace120401.html

http://newsfromrussia.com/usa/2005/08/29/61920.html
Ah, at least the foreign press can say something...amazing what gets reported outside of Jesusland.
Ok, MSNBC reported it too, I take it back.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9075811/

But, who really needs to get out of their cars when the jackbooted police are on their side anyways?  Lets all celebrate "kick an old lady in the teeth" day!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/19/221315/372
http://buildpeace.blogspot.com/2006/07/ … aults.html
http://www.perc.ca/PEN/2002-04/s-mills.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/09/276473.html
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar20 … -m12.shtml

Basically though, to answer your original premise, you're absolutely right.  Most conservatives, deep down inside in the cockles of their hearts, are scared shitless in general, and specifically terrified of protesting or acting out, convincing themselves on the surface that authority is right and you should agree with them anyways.  They still reserve violent hatred of those that go against the grain, but it mostly takes the form of anonymous bullying squads like the KKK.  Recently though, the most virulent leaders of such movements have gone into politics so we don't see the same posse justice today like we saw up throught the 1960's, just in specific cases like the pro-life movement and the ever popular gay bashing.

Besides, in the Fox story you mention its college students, they're probably just doing cool shit to get laid at the moment.  Its when they get older and pull over to groups of protestors to try to punch someone out is when you need to worry.

Yes damn those lefty liberal protestors. They shouldn't throw things at Rove's car, they should mail him fake anthrax or make jokes about him being shot or express the wish some jihadi would saw his head off with a rusty knife. They should complain that Tim McVeigh didn't blow him up or bemoan the lack of neo-nazi gang members willing to beat him to a pulp. They should create 35-yard pistol targets bearing his likeness. They should go on internet message boards and discuss their violent fantasies regarding his demise. Then and only then will these uncouth leftists reach the lofty heights of conservative dissent and discourse.

You know, after thinking about this further, I have come to a conclusion. You don't really want the answer you're asking for, you want to create a "conservatives are more mature, stable and less violent than liberals" thread. GorillaTicTacs adequately answered you with his above examples, even excluding the Krystallnacht example. You conveniently disown the acts of social conservative groups and individuals, claiming that it's their religion alone that drives them to violent action. Disingenous from start to finish, but hardly surprising.

Last edited by HunterOfSkulls (2007-04-05 18:48:00)

comet241 wrote:

Sorry, but no, it's not being disingenous to start a thread like this. CameronPoe starts a half dozen threads like this every day, setting people up to make people who disagree with him look stupid and ignorant... and i dont see you getting so upset about it.

Nothing like starting off with a good logical fallacy eh? I'm not talking to CameronPoe here, I'm talking to you, so perhaps you could address what I've said instead of launching into this kindergarten "But they're doin' it too!" nonsense.

comet241 wrote:

and no, the night of the broken glass argument wasn't and adequate answer, it is a historical event that happend 70 years ago and bears no relevance to this discussion. please, please tell me how it is relevant, i would appreciate that very much.

Why would I need to tell you how it's relevant when I said in my previous post to exclude it? Oh right, if you don't exclude it, then you can do the "Waaaaaah! He says conservatives are Nazis!" routine and discount anything beyond that, which is exactly what you did.

comet241 wrote:

As far as disowning certain groups for their actions on certain matters (abortion), please tell me what is it that drives them to take such actions, other than their religious beliefs? I dont see any other reason you would do that, especially just because it is against what your party believes in.

Which would be absolutely true if it wasn't for the fact that conservative politicians are always pandering to the "pro-life" crowd whenever possible; accepting their endorsements, accepting their contributions, hosting their speakers, seeking their support. Like it or not, conservatives have made this particular religious issue a part of politics. You can't court their votes and influence and then wash your hands of them, sorry.

comet241 wrote:

Thats my whole argument. Their political views, their disagreement with certain individuals and an opposing party lead them to break laws, look like idiots, and hinder the rights of others.... all because of their political views.

All of which has a long and grand tradition in this country dating back to the Boston Tea Party. People with more balls than the ones who worship the status quo breaking unjust or inconsequential laws and occasionally creating minor inconvenience for those who find more comfort in chains than change.

comet241 wrote:

Im still looking for an example of where conservatives have done the same/similar, because of their POLITICAL views, and not an "example" from history, from a different country. It's a simple request. Or.... is it true that conservatives are more mature, which are the words out of your mouth...?

You know what? You won't find similar. But I think you all ready know that. Conservatives don't toss rocks through the windows of fast-food joints or burn American flags or throw eggs and rocks at some politician's armored limo. No, the folks on that side of the fence shoot doctors in their own homes in front of their families or plant pipe bombs in their clinics. They blow up office buildings with truckloads of fertilizer-based explosives. They stockpile chemical weapons to use against their fellow American citizens. And the ones that don't do any of those things attempt to disown the others while silently cheering them on or openly wishing they'd bring some mayhem and murder to whoever the right's current boogeyman is. Yeah, I am so thrilled they're not out there breaking sit-lie ordinances or spraypainting concrete like those uncivilized lefties that I could shit daisies.

I do have to hand it to conservatives though; when they get really pissed they don't pussyfoot around with property damage, they get right to bloodshed. And that's the inherent disingenous nature of this post. You're looking for something you all ready know hardly ever happens at all, ie. conservatives getting rowdy at public protests. They really don't do that. What they do instead is either murder, assault, physically intimidate or endorse some combination of the above. Seriously, please, go ahead and try to equate some kids with scarves wrapped around their faces throwing crap at a car with someone like Tim McVeigh or Eric Rudolph, I could use a good laugh. Hell with that, I'll even give you a freebie and suggest using the ELF or the Weathermen, they're bombers too. Except for that small problem that both groups combined can't exceed even Rudolph's thankfully low body count.

I think you've got your answer adequately at this point.

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

You know what? You won't find similar. But I think you all ready know that. Conservatives don't toss rocks through the windows of fast-food joints or burn American flags or throw eggs and rocks at some politician's armored limo. No, the folks on that side of the fence shoot doctors in their own homes in front of their families or plant pipe bombs in their clinics. They blow up office buildings with truckloads of fertilizer-based explosives. They stockpile chemical weapons to use against their fellow American citizens. And the ones that don't do any of those things attempt to disown the others while silently cheering them on or openly wishing they'd bring some mayhem and murder to whoever the right's current boogeyman is. Yeah, I am so thrilled they're not out there breaking sit-lie ordinances or spraypainting concrete like those uncivilized lefties that I could shit daisies.

I do have to hand it to conservatives though; when they get really pissed they don't pussyfoot around with property damage, they get right to bloodshed. And that's the inherent disingenous nature of this post. You're looking for something you all ready know hardly ever happens at all, ie. conservatives getting rowdy at public protests. They really don't do that. What they do instead is either murder, assault, physically intimidate or endorse some combination of the above. Seriously, please, go ahead and try to equate some kids with scarves wrapped around their faces throwing crap at a car with someone like Tim McVeigh or Eric Rudolph, I could use a good laugh. Hell with that, I'll even give you a freebie and suggest using the ELF or the Weathermen, they're bombers too. Except for that small problem that both groups combined can't exceed even Rudolph's thankfully low body count.

I think you've got your answer adequately at this point.

No, those are individuals... we call them nuts... or criminally insane. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Hat_riot
The hard hat riot... now that was a protest!  Here is one situation where the "silent majority" got noisy for once.  They beat the living hell out of those pussy hippy unpatriotic little shits that were protesting in all the wrong ways.  It just goes to show you that while burning the flag is your right, thats not gonna stop someone with a job from coming over and smacking you across the face with a wrench.

I was going to respond with a list of references and points, but it's almost no use. You keep bringing up religious based offenders, and now anti-government terrorists.... and you're lumping them with the typical conservative. What's next? Using examples of what the nazis did as "evidence" that conservatives are violent protesters too??? Oh, wait. You already did.

I can do the same and give you links to liberal organizations such as: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_panthers
and then lump them with the beliefs of all liberals, but that wouldn't be fair. we know that they were an extremist group who, more or less, said "kill cops".

More Liberal extremists?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber

Now, that last one was almost unfair. Kinda like lumping timothy mcveigh with conservatives? Eh?

Now im not saying that the conservatives can't get down and dirty with the best of them, but, you seem to think that you have provided ample "evidence" to "show" that conservatives are just as bad. Instead, what you've done is generalize major events that have no relevance to the current conversation, or you bring far, far right-wing extremists into the mix with the rest of them.

I'll keep waiting patiently, or maybe i'll just do some research myself. Either way, i know the answer isn't going to come from you. Thanks.

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Dude, you're an idiot.  The Black Panthers are conservative in every sense of the word (being a mirror to the KKK), preferring violence to the movement espoused by the very liberal MLK, Jr.

Ted Kascynski, if you bothered to try to read his drivel about race and religion and how modern technology, thoughts and ideas were destroying society, was a conservative to a T as well.  I'll stay diplomatic and just call you "uninformed."

wow, im sorry that you feel that way. a little research on the subject would show that you are, well, and idiot for calling me such.

the black panthers constantly preached a socialist doctrine, focusing during the late 60's on spreading socialism, completely against what conservatives believe in, and in line with the left.... ie liberals.

as far as the unabomber, his anti-establishment standing may lead you to believe that he is a conservative. however, his ultra-liberal views on the environment and his anti-capitalism/economy stance instantly classifies him as a liberal. ultra-liberal.

I implore you to please, please read the links i provided above, and any other independent research you may want to do on those two topics, to see that it is you who are the uninformed idiot.

A little research and/or knowledge on subjects you are trying to argue about will save you from looking like a dumbass on these boards....

Too late.