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lowing wrote:

Funny, the radical element of the KKK and skinheads seem to be stifled quite effectively by non-vigilante type methods byh the moderate Christians. Tell me why that is. Tell me why "several million" moderate Muslims can not snuff out only "1,000" radicals within their religion.

Better yet, tell me how 1,000 radicals were even allowed to come to such power in the first place. Why were they not snuffed out by the moderates before they even became so powerful?

I think you'll find that 'the skinheads' hold regularly rallies across Germany and the KKK is still in operation. When I spent a summer in Wisconsin back in 2000 the torso of a black woman rose to the surface of the Wisconsin river, bound in sack and rope.

I never said there were only 1000 radicals in totality. The reason the attacks were allowed to occur was because of lax security. If someone wants to blow himself up then there isn't exactly much you can do about it other than prevent him when it becomes obvious that he will.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Funny, the radical element of the KKK and skinheads seem to be stifled quite effectively by non-vigilante type methods byh the moderate Christians. Tell me why that is. Tell me why "several million" moderate Muslims can not snuff out only "1,000" radicals within their religion.

Better yet, tell me how 1,000 radicals were even allowed to come to such power in the first place. Why were they not snuffed out by the moderates before they even became so powerful?

I think you'll find that 'the skinheads' hold regularly rallies across Germany and the KKK is still in operation. When I spent a summer in Wisconsin back in 2000 the torso of a black woman rose to the surface of the Wisconsin river, bound in sack and rope.

I never said there were only 1000 radicals in totality. The reason the attacks were allowed to occur was because of lax security. If someone wants to blow himself up then there isn't exactly much you can do about it other than prevent him when it becomes obvious that he will.

I think you will find that at every rally the Christian radicals hold, there as many moderates there to stifle them.

SO you are saying there are more than 1000 radicals??? Well how many more, where are they, and if they are so much less in numbers, then my orginal question stands. Why has has the moderate Muslims NOT snuffed them out??

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I think you will find that at every rally the Christian radicals hold, there as many moderates there to stifle them.

They're called policemen.

lowing wrote:

SO you are saying there are more than 1000 radicals??? Well how many more, where are they, and if they are so much less in numbers, then my orginal question stands. Why has has the moderate Muslims NOT snuffed them out??

How can they lowing? How on earth can they? You think some Londoner who frequents Finsbury Park Mosque is gonna fly over to Afghanistan to the Tora Bora caves and ask Osama politely to cut it out!?

Nope, they are not policemen, they are called counter protesters, and they show up by the droves, and they are effective.

Nope he won't. How about if the people, ohhhhhhhhhhh I dunno, not join them?? Whatever your gripe is, killing innocent civilians will never HELP your cause. How about if the moderate Muslims make that message LOUD AND CLEAR to the radicals. As always, the PEOPLE are the power in a society. If these radical groups grew to such significance it is because they( the people) : 1, believe in their cause or 2, was in different to their cause. Either way the people are held accountable.

If the moderates out number the radicals by sooooooooo much then why don't the moderates, GET RADICAL on thier dogs??

Last edited by lowing (2007-04-04 13:52:40)

ATG wrote:

If they would just stop blowing shit up...

They are blowing shit up, cuz they are trying to defend their countries! And you can't think about every muslim as if hes going to blow himself up!
What was the point with starting the war in IRAQ? More people are being killed, by the americans. Now saddam used to kill ppl as well, but for a particular reason, say if you talk about him in a bad way. BUT now ppl are being killed by just waking in the street. GOD DAMNIT!

Last edited by rabee2789b (2007-04-04 13:49:30)

Kmarion wrote:

rabee2789b wrote:

ATG wrote:

If they would just stop blowing shit up...

They are blowing shit up, cuz they are trying to defend their countries! And you can't think about every muslim as if hes going to blow himself up!

The majority of the deaths are Iraqi v Iraqi. I guess they are defending themselves by driving car bombs into their neighbors cafe. Nice logic.

Did they use to do that before the war?.....No. Therefore they are trying to get rid of the americans.

Kmarion wrote:

rabee2789b wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

The majority of the deaths are Iraqi v Iraqi. I guess they are defending themselves by driving car bombs into their neighbors cafe. Nice logic.

Did they use to do that before the war?.....No. Therefore they are trying to get rid of the americans.

By killing Iraqis. An intelligent person would realize the more stable the country is the more likely a withdrawal would be. Amazing, when America gained it's independence the colonist didn't feel the need to murder it's own people. You obviously miss the religious crap that is happening in Iraq.

Oh no my friend, u can't say that. I lived all my happy life in there! I used to be surrouned by muslims, most of my friends were muslims. In fact most of them were better than my christians friends.

Last edited by rabee2789b (2007-04-04 14:02:15)

lowing wrote:

Nope, they are not policemen, they are called counter protesters, and they show up by the droves, and they are effective.

Nope he won't. How about if the people, ohhhhhhhhhhh I dunno, not join them?? Whatever your gripe is, killing innocent civilians will never HELP your cause. How about if the moderate Muslims make that message LOUD AND CLEAR to the radicals. As always, the PEOPLE are the power in a society. If these radical groups grew to such significance it is because they( the people) : 1, believe in their cause or 2, was in different to their cause. Either way the people are held accountable.

If the moderates out number the radicals by sooooooooo much then why don't the moderates, GET RADICAL on thier dogs??

Well whenever some whackjobs go protesting in Dublin I don't go in to counter-protest, nor would I - I have better things to do.

I think you'll find that the vast vast majority of muslims in western countries and in islamic countries where the rule of law is strong don't join the radicals lowing. So I guess they're doing exactly what you want them to do. Problem solved, eh? Scale down the Homeland Security budget then?

I AM NOT ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ACTS of people who are atheist. Muslims aren't accountable for the acts of other muslims. We're all individuals lowing. Think of radical islam as a sect. Should Protestants sort out Catholics from doing certain things because they share Christianity? I don't think so. For the same reason I think you're barking up the wrong tree with respect to ordinary decent muslims addressing a pack of nutjobs. The funny thing is many of them do - but it never seems to make the news.......

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-04-04 14:08:09)

rabee2789b wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

rabee2789b wrote:

Oh no my friend, u can't say that. I lived all my happy life in there! I used to be surrouned by muslims, most of my friends were muslim. In fact most of them were better than my christians friends.

Then I guess you should understand the Sunni and Shiite rivalry happening there.

Oh hell yea. But during my life, I have never ever heared that somebody is taking about it, Saddam had the control of it. Now, looking at the news everyday, I have a big doubt that the american(which caused the problem in the first place), will be able to control shit. Does that mean they are gonna stay in IRAQ?, thats what push the IRAQI's from doing these bomings or w/e you call it.

I don't think we should be so short sighted as to think that all the violence is solely directed at the occupation. Iraqi's killing Iraqi''s does nothing to contribute to the success of their country. There are millions of Iraqi's who are doing their best to move their country forward. Loading a truck with chlorine gas and exploding it in a crowded market is not defending your country. I don't care how you slice it.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-04-04 14:19:33)

rabee2789b wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

rabee2789b wrote:

Oh hell yea. But during my life, I have never ever heared that somebody is taking about it, Saddam had the control of it. Now, looking at the news everyday, I have a big doubt that the american(which caused the problem in the first place), will be able to control shit. Does that mean they are gonna stay in IRAQ?, thats what push the IRAQI's from doing these bomings or w/e you call it.

I don't we should be so short sighted as to think that all the violence is solely directed at the occupation. Iraqi's killing Iraqi''s does nothing to contribute to the success of their country. There are millions of Iraqi's who are doing their best to move their country forward. Loading a truck with chlorine gas and exploding it in a crowded market is not defending your country. I don't care how you slice it.

All iraqi's want success, but they don't want another country to control them! When they loading a truck with chlorine, they are triggering someone surely, either the Americans soldiers, or the Iraqi government aka “Iraq’s controlled by Americans”. Now if they are not triggering one of the above, then, surely they aren't Iraq’s, maybe the Israeli government are sending these people to make it even worst, than it is atm. What makes you sure that the iraqi that making the all the problems...is it the CNN news that makes you comfort?

http://www.miamiherald.com/889/story/63507.html  It must be Iraqi's making up stories, and instead of blaming the regions number one scapegoat (the jews) they decide to blame themselves. Why don't you offer some shred of evidence to discredit all the major news outlets out there. Or are we supposed to toss that out because you have muslim friends?

"I suddenly realized that we must be near Amariyah and that Sunnis were attacking us," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. "Six of us were able to flee in our pickup but unfortunately they kidnapped 22 friends of mine and stole our sheep."

Jassim al-Wandi, a relative of one of the kidnap victims, appealed for their release.

"They are peaceful people and very easygoing. What was their sin that could justify stealing their animals on which their daily life depends?" he said.

This is precisely what I would do if I was trying to fend off an invading force.
What a fucking joke.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-04-04 14:35:28)

"Why don't you offer some shred of evidence to discredit all the major news outlets out there"

You should offer some evidence that they are tellng the truth, because they dont.  They just pull some CIA guy(proffesional liars) and he makes some statement that cant be backed up because its a "sensitive file"(stuff they dont want us to know about).

They are way to busy talking about Anna Nichole Smith to be making up news right now.  No current falsifications on the table.  Check out "Loose Change 2nd edition" and then ask CNN or FOX where they got their shreds of evidence about 9/11. 
Seeing as how the gov't sent ALL the steel from WTC to China before testing the metals integrity for signs of "weakening" causing the collapse.  Then CNN and FOX declare that the metal melted due to 1 hour of fire and collapsed at a free fall pace to the groung as if there was no structure holding it up at all.  Where did their evidence come from to support that theory??

rabee2789b wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

rabee2789b wrote:

All iraqi's want success, but they don't want another country to control them! When they loading a truck with chlorine, they are triggering someone surely, either the Americans soldiers, or the Iraqi government aka “Iraq’s controlled by Americans”. Now if they are not triggering one of the above, then, surely they aren't Iraq’s, maybe the Israeli government are sending these people to make it even worst, than it is atm. What makes you sure that the iraqi that making the all the problems...is it the CNN news that makes you comfort?

http://www.miamiherald.com/889/story/63507.html  It must be Iraqi's making up stories, and instead of blaming the regions number one scapegoat (the jews) they decide to blame themselves. Why don't you offer some shred of evidence to discredit all the major news outlets out there. Or are we supposed to toss that out because you have muslim friends?

"I suddenly realized that we must be near Amariyah and that Sunnis were attacking us," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. "Six of us were able to flee in our pickup but unfortunately they kidnapped 22 friends of mine and stole our sheep."

Jassim al-Wandi, a relative of one of the kidnap victims, appealed for their release.

"They are peaceful people and very easygoing. What was their sin that could justify stealing their animals on which their daily life depends?" he said.

This is precisely what I would do if I was trying to fend off an invading force.
What a fucking joke.

I don't have any evidence, but if it happened to me one day, I will be more than sure of what’s happening, and who is doing it, rather than reading quotes from random websites, over the internet, where informations can be easily altered.

It's called the Associated Press. You should check them out.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkqpHRRGA … eid=192866
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/ … 8937.shtml
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkqpHRRGA … 25404.html
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkqpHRRGA … SFeeds0312

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-04-04 14:53:06)

Kmarion wrote:

rabee2789b wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

http://www.miamiherald.com/889/story/63507.html  It must be Iraqi's making up stories, and instead of blaming the regions number one scapegoat (the jews) they decide to blame themselves. Why don't you offer some shred of evidence to discredit all the major news outlets out there. Or are we supposed to toss that out because you have muslim friends?

"I suddenly realized that we must be near Amariyah and that Sunnis were attacking us," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. "Six of us were able to flee in our pickup but unfortunately they kidnapped 22 friends of mine and stole our sheep."

Jassim al-Wandi, a relative of one of the kidnap victims, appealed for their release.

"They are peaceful people and very easygoing. What was their sin that could justify stealing their animals on which their daily life depends?" he said.

This is precisely what I would do if I was trying to fend off an invading force.
What a fucking joke.

I don't have any evidence, but if it happened to me one day, I will be more than sure of what’s happening, and who is doing it, rather than reading quotes from random websites, over the internet, where informations can be easily altered.

It's called the Associated Press. You should check them out.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkqpHRRGA … eid=192866
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/ … 8937.shtml
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkqpHRRGA … 25404.html
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkqpHRRGA … SFeeds0312

Why are you giving me these links? why not think about what the Americans have done with the Iraq in abu-ghraib prison? Why not giving me a link to Americans that are bullying families, by entering their homes because what? They think they are terrorists.
All of that and you’re calling it a joke, but I bet everyone would probably think in the same way as you, without living the life!