Cougar
Banned
+1,962|6981|Dallas
What the fuck is your problem?  Over the past month, I've slowly swayed from the right side to the left side for one main reason:

Most of the conservatives here and elsewhere are a bunch of fucking idiots.  Rednecks, Warmongers and just flat out morons, that couldn't think for themselves if they tried.

Just yesterday I was telling someone how I wasn't a liberal, because I've always had right from center views and had always generalized my self as a conservative.  Then as I though about it last night.....I'm not.  In fact, I'm very liberal.  I find myself disagreeing with conservatives much more than liberals and to me, most of this stuff just seems like common sense.  For instance:

fadedsteve has this image posted into his signature along with a republican elephant..
https://i13.tinypic.com/2m4x91z.gif
Fight Liberalism

Well, do you even know what Liberalism is?

wiki wrote:

Liberalism refers to a broad array of related doctrines, ideologies, philosophical views, and political traditions which hold that individual liberty is the primary political value Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment, but the term has taken on different meanings in different time periods.

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power (especially of government and religion), the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected. In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed.

dictionary.com wrote:

a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberty.
So basically you want to fight against liberty?  Against personal freedom and so forth?  Basically you want to fight against the constitution, because that is the most liberal document we have, it basically defines liberalism.  You would like to fight the Bill Of Rights as well?  I'm not just attacking fadedsteve, most of you see the word "Liberal" and attack like rabid dogs, mainly because your all a bunch of fucking idiots, you attack because you think of radical liberals like Al Franken and his Air America cronies or weed smoking hippies.  Instead you should be thinking of John Locke, Thomas Payne or Franklin Roosevelt.

The majority of Conservatives now a days, seem to think that they are always correct, no matter what, and if you disagree you are un-American.  That stupidity spills over into these forums DAILY.  In reality and in common sense, descent is more American than comforming, tolerating or following.  Not to say all conservatives are bad, just as not all liberals are bad, for instance, ATG is a very open minded conservative and has firm beliefs, yet he respects the beliefs and opinions that I have and vise versa.   By protesting or challenging you are exercising half you Bill Of Rights at once, Freedom of Speech, Protest, Petition, as well as using programs granted to you by your own government such as the Freedom of Information Act and other such programs.  But we liberals are the un-american, un-patriotic, soft-hearted terrorist supporting crybabies. 



Yeah, hows about no.  I'd rather put my stock into reason, liberty and common sense, rather than baby Jesus, the Almighty Bush Clan and lying politicians.

Goodbye right wing, hello left wing.
pirana6
Go Cougs!
+691|6507|Washington St.
+1, and I'd +100 you if i could
Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|6908|Calgary
Move to Canada. If you are NOT a lazy welfare mooch, you can not call you self a liberal.
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|6981|Dallas

Superslim wrote:

Move to Canada. If you are NOT a lazy welfare mooch, you can not call you self a liberal.
WTF?  Thats the kind of stupid shit I'm talking about.  I'm neither on welfare nor a mooch and I do consider myself moderatly liberal.  I'd say the same thing about Cameron Poe and he probably makes more money than you and me combined.  Franklin Roosevelt was hardly a welfare collecting mooch either.

Get a clue.
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6863|Peoria

Superslim wrote:

Move to Canada. If you are NOT a lazy welfare mooch, you can not call you self a liberal.
I think you just personified his entire rant....
Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|6908|Calgary

Cougar wrote:

Superslim wrote:

Move to Canada. If you are NOT a lazy welfare mooch, you can not call you self a liberal.
WTF?  Thats the kind of stupid shit I'm talking about.  I'm neither on welfare nor a mooch and I do consider myself moderatly liberal.  I'd say the same thing about Cameron Poe and he probably makes more money than you and me combined.  Franklin Roosevelt was hardly a welfare collecting mooch either.

Get a clue.
Cool...I got an reaction......History lesson time

Are you married, working and have a family? Are you self employed?
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6988|PNW

'Liberal' by definition and 'liberal' by political use of the terms are two different animals, Cougar. I consider myself liberal in thought in many aspects by definition, but cannot abide the agendas of some of the more left-leaning (US) politicians.

"Power to the 'oppressed' that we may seize power. Screw everyone else."

Kmarion wrote:

Stay away from extremes on both sides.

http://i5.tinypic.com/2r3vwhx.jpg

They both have their share of shady characters.
And so do centrists.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-04-03 19:11:50)

Cougar
Banned
+1,962|6981|Dallas

Superslim wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Superslim wrote:

Move to Canada. If you are NOT a lazy welfare mooch, you can not call you self a liberal.
WTF?  Thats the kind of stupid shit I'm talking about.  I'm neither on welfare nor a mooch and I do consider myself moderatly liberal.  I'd say the same thing about Cameron Poe and he probably makes more money than you and me combined.  Franklin Roosevelt was hardly a welfare collecting mooch either.

Get a clue.
Cool...I got an reaction......History lesson time

Are you married, working and have a family? Are you self employed?
Engaged, no kids, employed at a large IT company.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6817|132 and Bush

Stay away from extremes on both sides.

https://i5.tinypic.com/2r3vwhx.jpg

They both have their share of shady characters.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6584|Columbus, Ohio
Name calling is not nice
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6584|Columbus, Ohio

Cougar wrote:

and lying politicians.

Cougar wrote:

Goodbye right wing, hello left wing.
Ermm.........
smtt686
this is the best we can do?
+95|6848|USA
Our political parties are so far away from what a conservatives should be what liberals should be.  The only thing they care about is lining the pockets of the pants they wear with gold.  They cant even pass (on either side) a bill to fund anything without a little add in here, take care of me there.  They both suck.
Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|6908|Calgary

Cougar wrote:

Superslim wrote:

Cougar wrote:


WTF?  Thats the kind of stupid shit I'm talking about.  I'm neither on welfare nor a mooch and I do consider myself moderatly liberal.  I'd say the same thing about Cameron Poe and he probably makes more money than you and me combined.  Franklin Roosevelt was hardly a welfare collecting mooch either.

Get a clue.
Cool...I got an reaction......History lesson time

Are you married, working and have a family? Are you self employed?
Engaged, no kids, employed at a large IT company.
What's you stance on taxation?
Boomerjinks
Member
+301|7012|Denver, CO
I'm a liberal objectivist.... personal rights before anything else...
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6584|Columbus, Ohio
/cares what label you label yourself with
Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|6908|Calgary

smtt686 wrote:

Our political parties are so far away from what a conservatives should be what liberals should be.  The only thing they care about is lining the pockets of the pants they wear with gold.  They cant even pass (on either side) a bill to fund anything without a little add in here, take care of me there.  They both suck.
BINGO  we HAVE a winner KARMA THIS GUY
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6991|Noizyland

Labels are pathetic, but what's more pathetic is Superslim trying to find a hole in Cougar's argument.
Heh heh. I feel mean.
Seriously though, Cougar's argument isn't knocking conservatives as such, meerly pointing out that the liberal-bashing is incredibly stupid as HOPEFULLY we all agree on the core liberal ideal.
[Blinking eyes thing]
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usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6584|Columbus, Ohio

Ty wrote:

Lables are pathetic, but what's more pathetic is Superslim trying to find a hole in Cougar's argument.
I found one.
Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|6908|Calgary

usmarine2007 wrote:

Ty wrote:

Lables are pathetic, but what's more pathetic is Superslim trying to find a hole in Cougar's argument.
I found one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU-PvRmLmhc
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6868|USA
LOL..... Well, I have been labeled a "neo-con" a "racist" and "fascist" and a "Nazi". Big deal!!

If you think that the "retarded" posts only come from the conservative elements in this forum you are wrong, but I believe you know this.

I follow libertarian ideals more than anything. I hold personal responsibility as the corner stone of what I believe. I do not believe in blaming others for my short comings in my needs, and desires. I am not a rich man I am a modest middle class citizen. I have made good decisions and I have made quite shitty ones. I blame no one for any of them except myself.

I hate the liberal mentality because I do not believe in socialism as it is dictated in the EU and I do not want to see those ideals here in America. I believe in a strong military. I do not believe in handing that strong military over to the UN.

I believe in total freedom and the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness as long as said freedom does not interfere with someone else’s pursuit of the same. IE legalize all drugs, legalize gay marriage etc......... I believe if these freedoms are granted, sooner or later, personal responsibility will prevail.

I have been unwavering in my position and I defy anyone to post anything from me that differ from the ideals that I repeat here. If anyone is "abused" on here, I am definitely one of them. Just make sure you do not take this paragraph as me feeling sorry for myself.  The thing is, I like it. If I have not ruffled some feathers, then I feel I did not post anything worth reading. Also, I am a little too old to get my feelings hurt by a computer.

Liberals claim they believe in total freedom, yet, they insist on managing my retirement, my health, my education. They also claim to be able to do all of this with minimal govt. intrusion. I have as of yet, had this explained to me with satisfactory reasoning.

Now that you have switched sides, maybe you can answer it for me.


Lastly from what I read here, it is "your camp" that is consistantly "over the top" with their insulting posts and personal attacks. But hey, maybe that is because thses are posts that I recieve all the time
Boomerjinks
Member
+301|7012|Denver, CO
What I really love is when political suggestion and commentary is reduced to "no, fuck you!."
Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|6908|Calgary
Ohhh man...half a bottle of Rum later

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRMzkF50omY

Last edited by Superslim (2007-04-03 19:35:22)

Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6991|Noizyland

Boomerjinks wrote:

What I really love is when political suggestion and commentary is reduced to "no, fuck you!."
I thought that's all politics was about.

Superslim, stop torturing me with the Eighties, I'm sorry I was a dick!
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|6908|Calgary

Ty wrote:

Boomerjinks wrote:

What I really love is when political suggestion and commentary is reduced to "no, fuck you!."
I thought that's all politics was about.

Superslim, stop torturing me with the Eighties, I'm sorry I was a dick!
LMAO  I love those guys   

In a NON gay way,  remember I'm a conservative, not a Liberal   *zips up asbestos suit*

After I polish off the rest of the bottle of rum...............................


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRMzkF50omY

Last edited by Superslim (2007-04-03 19:42:51)

HURLEY
Ima Crunchatize you.
+170|6899|The Lou

Superslim wrote:

Ty wrote:

Boomerjinks wrote:

What I really love is when political suggestion and commentary is reduced to "no, fuck you!."
I thought that's all politics was about.

Superslim, stop torturing me with the Eighties, I'm sorry I was a dick!
LMAO  I love those guys   

In a NON gay way,  remember I'm a conservative, not a Liberal   *zips up asbestos suit*
rofls

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