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2007-03-29 16:31:51
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6351

Bubbalo wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

is that why they offer group rates than? Silly if only they could see the light.

If I have a hospital. I and I have to buy an X Ray machine.

and my town has two people in it they split the cost a 10k each.
If my town has 20 people in it they each pay 1k...get it ?
Yes, and it works that way with small groups.  But eventually you get to a point where you need 2 x-ray machines to help everyone, meaning that the price bottoms out.  Of course, other factors come in (e.g. if you need lots of x-ray machines you can use a production line, making each one cheaper, etc.), but even so public health approachees a set figure, rather than getting consistently lower.  This isn't to say that it wouldn't be cheaper for America, but I suspect if I make the discussion too complex steve's head will explode.
so you have made my point in more detail. 
we must be doing something right a lot of Canadians come here for procedures they cant get in Canada. Ive never heard of Americans going to Canada for a hospital visit. Im sure it must happen. Morgan Web maybe?
2007-03-29 17:07:21
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6629|949

no, but people DO go to Canada for prescriptions.

Why not a hybrid of the two systems?
2007-03-29 18:53:45
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6402|North Carolina

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

no, but people DO go to Canada for prescriptions.

Why not a hybrid of the two systems?
I prefer that as well....
2007-03-29 18:55:39
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6402|North Carolina

fadedsteve wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

But you have yet to tell me why a larger population matters.
More populations mean more hospitals, more staff, more equipment, more salaries, more everything!!! The bigger the population the bigger the cost!!

If you have a dinner party at a nice restaurant of 8 people as opposed to 25, do you think it will cost more or less???. . . . . The more mouths you feed the more expensive the dinner!! Not too mention the wine/bar tab as well!!! The more people the more expensive, more SERVICE is needed to provide the same adaquate experience to your guest.

Same goes with health care!! The more people you have to treat the more expensive the coverage!! Do the math! Why arent you getting this concept. . . .Universal health care for everyone IS expensive(the more people you have to treat the more expensive the care is going to be). Somebody is going to have to pay, and if its universal, that means the American tax payer is paying.  Which means taxes (which are already high) will go higher, high to a level in which we have never even thought to be realistic. 

Why do you think it costs $8+ a gallon/liter of gasoline in England. . . .  cause the government needs the tax revenue to provide the free services to their population!!! i.e. part of that revenue goes to their health care system!!
For the most part, I agree.

This is why I want us to switch to a state-based healthcare system.  The federal government is too large and inefficient to handle a socialized system.  We've seen this already with Social Security.  State and local governments would be better suited for socialized healthcare.

Let each state cater to their own economic and healthcare needs.
2007-03-29 19:06:55
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6487|Menlo Park, CA

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

Hey Bubbalo since you are all for universal health care. . . .whats your stance on universal car insurance?

Do you think the government should pick up that tab too???
Except that driving is a privilege.
And getting top notch medical care isnt. . . .

and Turquoise is right, each state knows what it needs.  No one can expect the feds to have a complete grasp on the medical situation in South Dakota. . . .

The feds should stick to protecting our citizens and continue to build and maintain infastructure (ie highways, trains, fast transit etc.)

If they cant even get our public school system working properly, how the hell do you think a government run medical system would be like. . . . bottom line, socialized medicine works with smaller wealthier nations with low immigration, and a high GDP. . . larger nations. . . . as Borat says, "Naht so mauch"

Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-03-29 19:12:02)

2007-03-29 19:15:40
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6402|North Carolina

fadedsteve wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

Hey Bubbalo since you are all for universal health care. . . .whats your stance on universal car insurance?

Do you think the government should pick up that tab too???
Except that driving is a privilege.
And getting top notch medical care isnt. . . .

and Turquoise is right, each state knows what it needs.  No one can expect the feds to have a complete grasp on the medical situation in South Dakota. . . .

The feds should stick to protecting our citizens and continue to build and maintain infastructure (ie highways, trains, fast transit etc.)

If they cant even get our public school system working properly, how the hell do you think a government run medical system would be like. . . . bottom line, socialized medicine works with smaller wealthier nations with low immigration, and a high GDP. . . larger nations. . . . as Borat says, "Naht so mauch"
Again, agreed...

Wow, I never thought we had so much in common on this topic.

But yeah, I really wish the Republicans would move back toward the states' rights ideology.  It would keep their federal spending more under control.  Believe it or not, there are a significant number of Democrats that favor states' rights and decentralization of government as well.  I guess you could say it's more of a Southern Democrat thing.
2007-03-29 19:24:29
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6487|Menlo Park, CA
Absolutely!! We have moved from something that we are good at, and thats promoting more states rights!!

Federal spending has gotten absurd under Bush's watch, and for that I am just mad. . . .

More federal government is bad federal government. . .I just hope we start drifting back towards that fundamental ideal in our party! That is once idiot (Bush) is gone. . . .
2007-03-29 19:28:09
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6402|North Carolina
As a side note, the main thing that has sidetracked the Republicans from promoting smaller government is their eagerness for war.

Defending the country is one thing, but invading Iraq was entirely unnecessary, and because of it, they've increased federal spending by leaps and bounds.

Less war = less government.  Defending the country doesn't necessarily entail more war, it just means improving security.
2007-03-29 19:36:35
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6487|Menlo Park, CA
I agree that the war was waged because they flat out disliked Saddam. . . .

They waged war under false pretenses and purposely misread intellegence. . . .

Although the world is WAY better off without him and his sons, it appears now that Iraq was not a central part of protecting Americans.  The people in Afghanistan are the ones who were directly responsible for jeopardising American lives.

I dont know if it is an eagerness for war, or just a lack of diplomatic skills. . . .Lets put it this way, Afghanistan needed no diplomacy, they deserved to have war brought on them immediately.  However in Iraq I believe we didnt exhaust all diplomatic avenues. . . .

You are right in saying "Defending the country doesnt mean entailing more war".  There are plenty of economic avenues that are far more reaching than military ones.  Cash is king, and if you hurt a country economically, their ability to wage war is hurt substantially.  Iran is a perfect example of a way to avoid military strikes by simply degrading their income capabilities. . . .
2007-03-29 19:55:11
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6402|North Carolina
Agreed...  The only part I take issue with is the idea that the world is better off without Saddam.

The Iraqi people are better off without Saddam (for the most part), but the region certainly isn't.  By removing Saddam, it has become very unstable in that part of the Middle East, and we've created a hotbed of terror.
2007-03-29 19:55:30
MadRed
Member
+2|6236|Connecticut, USA
To be a liberal:

1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.
2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity.
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens are
more of a threat than nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Iran or
Chinese and North Korean communists.
4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer
moms driving SUV's. (and Al Gore's Electric bills... )
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being
homosexual is natural.
7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal
funding.
8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders
how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but PETA
activists do.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
doing something to earn it.
11. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of
the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of
the Constitution.
12. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
13. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more
important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, or
Abraham Lincoln.
14. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not.
15. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked well
anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
16. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag queens and
transvestites should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at
Christmas should be illegal.
17. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right-wing
conspiracy.

                                    GOD BLESS AMERICA

                                    Oops, can't do that either
2007-03-29 20:10:35
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6402|North Carolina

MadRed wrote:

To be a liberal:

1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.
Isn't that similar to how conservatives believe in capital punishment but are against euthanasia?

MadRed wrote:

2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity..
To be conservative, you have to believe that government is generally evil but corporations are generally good.  Yet, corporations run our government so....  huh?

MadRed wrote:

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens are
more of a threat than nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Iran or
Chinese and North Korean communists.
What about how conservatives seem to hate spending billions on our own poor, but they're perfectly fine with spending that amount on the poor in Iraq?

MadRed wrote:

4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
Conservatives seem to believe that any nudity in art is perverse rather than of any aesthetic value (see John Ashcroft).

MadRed wrote:

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer
moms driving SUV's. (and Al Gore's Electric bills... )
Many conservatives believe that the world was made in 6 days by an invisible and omnipotent being.

MadRed wrote:

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being
homosexual is natural.
Conservatives believe that you should have the right to bear arms but you shouldn't have the right to fight for your country if you're gay.

MadRed wrote:

7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal
funding.
Conservatives believe abstinence-only programs are more successful at preventing pregnancy than condoms.

MadRed wrote:

8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders
how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
Conservatives believe in teaching "family values" in school but they also believe in spending less on education....

MadRed wrote:

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but PETA
activists do.
I'll give you that one... 

MadRed wrote:

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
doing something to earn it.
Conservatives believe that the only way you can become poor is through laziness.

MadRed wrote:

11. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of
the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of
the Constitution.
Conservatives say they believe in smaller government, but they also support the Patriot Act.

MadRed wrote:

12. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
Conservatives believe in making tax cuts but also believe in spending even more than the tax revenue allows for.

MadRed wrote:

13. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more
important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, or
Abraham Lincoln.
Abraham Lincoln was a social liberal...  just to let you know.

MadRed wrote:

14. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not.
I'll give you this one too....

MadRed wrote:

15. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked well
anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
Replace the word socialism with Communism, and I'll give you that one too....

MadRed wrote:

16. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag queens and
transvestites should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at
Christmas should be illegal.
Another I'll give you....
2007-03-30 05:21:05
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6558

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

Hey Bubbalo since you are all for universal health care. . . .whats your stance on universal car insurance?

Do you think the government should pick up that tab too???
Except that driving is a privilege.
Nailed it in one.  Life is a right, driving is a priviledge.  If you want to live you should be able to, if you want to drive you have to be able to make it happen.
2007-03-30 05:38:16
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6351

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

no, but people DO go to Canada for prescriptions.

Why not a hybrid of the two systems?
They go to Mexico too.

Why not a Hybrid.

I think (so I am speaking strictly for myself and nobody else)

My own big fear is the track record.
I am from New York City where Liberals have had the Helm unabated for my entire life.
Its the track record, the havoc, waste, danger and bloodshed that they wrought upon us.
Public Housing projects, welfare, parol, the public school system, cultural affairs, Even a Government Funded Easter Egg Hunt which ended in a total Riot
Everything they touched in the last 55 years is in ruins and Hemorrhages money.
Oddly where their own welfare is at stake they elected a conservative mayor to run thing. the result? the entire Island of Manhattan is safe and inhabitable 24/7
2007-03-31 14:36:45
herrr_smity
Member
+156|6625|space command ur anus
so in the US you have 2 different political ides, Liberal and Stupid
2007-03-31 14:38:47
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6364|Columbus, Ohio

herrr_smity wrote:

so in the US you have 2 different political ides, Liberal and Stupid
And for you guys it is stupid and stupid.
2007-03-31 16:51:29
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6672|Canberra, AUS

MadRed wrote:

To be a liberal:

1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.
2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity.
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens are
more of a threat than nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Iran or
Chinese and North Korean communists.
4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer
moms driving SUV's. (and Al Gore's Electric bills... )
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being
homosexual is natural.
7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal
funding.
8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders
how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but PETA
activists do.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
doing something to earn it.
11. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of
the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of
the Constitution.
12. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
13. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more
important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, or
Abraham Lincoln.
14. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not.
15. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked well
anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
16. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag queens and
transvestites should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at
Christmas should be illegal.
17. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right-wing
conspiracy.

                                    GOD BLESS AMERICA

                                    Oops, can't do that either
Plagarism.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-03-31 17:09:51
>LOD<Dougalachi
Teh_Complainer
+85|6552|An Hour North of Indy
^^^ I would have to agree with that one(but BTW, it is spelled Plagiarism). Kinda hard to figure out who did it first though...

Last edited by >LOD<Dougalachi (2007-03-31 17:13:53)

2007-03-31 17:27:42
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|6651|Teesside, UK

Spark wrote:

Plagarism.
I thought it was familiar.  looks like ATG posted it a while ago.  mind you i think that was before you had to name your source so don't know for definate if its his.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=64493

Last edited by crimson_grunt (2007-03-31 17:29:48)

2007-03-31 17:53:17
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6652|United States of America
Is it true that all liberals are gay?
2007-03-31 17:57:40
power9787
Member
+10|6579
this video is full of shit and truth at same time
depending on your perspective and how philosophized you are
2007-03-31 18:03:24
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6567|Portland, OR, USA

Major_Spittle wrote:

Is it true that all liberals are gay?
I do enjoy the occasional buttsecks.

 

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