Dems Defeat The Troops

2007-03-28 21:05:00

#151

HunterOfSkulls: Rated EC-10; +246|6278

lowing wrote:
If you think Iraq is better with Saddam or people like him controlling the masses, with death threats and actual mass killings of his own people, then just like the other guy, we have nothing to talk about.

The US government thought Iraq was just fine with Saddam for over a decade.

All of the horrors presented to us by the politicians who pushed for this war did not start two or four years ago. Saddam Hussein has been killing his political opponents and torturing dissidents since he first came to power and none of it mattered to the United States government at all. Just like it's ridiculous to believe that one day Saddam Hussein, former ally of the US, woke up evil and decided to start torturing and murdering his own citizens it is also ridiculous to believe that a government which turned a blind eye to his activities for so long suddenly cares for the welfare of the Iraqi people.

2007-03-28 21:23:15

#152

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6649|USA

HunterOfSkulls wrote:
lowing wrote:
If you think Iraq is better with Saddam or people like him controlling the masses, with death threats and actual mass killings of his own people, then just like the other guy, we have nothing to talk about.
The US government thought Iraq was just fine with Saddam for over a decade.

All of the horrors presented to us by the politicians who pushed for this war did not start two or four years ago. Saddam Hussein has been killing his political opponents and torturing dissidents since he first came to power and none of it mattered to the United States government at all. Just like it's ridiculous to believe that one day Saddam Hussein, former ally of the US, woke up evil and decided to start torturing and murdering his own citizens it is also ridiculous to believe that a government which turned a blind eye to his activities for so long suddenly cares for the welfare of the Iraqi people.

Actually the US govt. had a problem with Saddam ever since '91

2007-03-28 21:24:56

#153

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6559

lowing wrote:
Actually the US govt. had a problem with Saddam ever since '91

Yes, and he come to power in '79. Over a decade before '91.

2007-03-28 21:26:24

#154

usmarine2007: Banned; +374|6365|Columbus, Ohio

Bubbalo wrote:
lowing wrote:
Actually the US govt. had a problem with Saddam ever since '91
Yes, and he come to power in '79. Over a decade before '91.

Didn't invade another country till '91 I beleive.

2007-03-28 21:31:54

#155

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6559

Exactly. The US didn't care about what he was doing to his own people (nor did any other world government).

2007-03-28 21:32:50

#156

usmarine2007: Banned; +374|6365|Columbus, Ohio

Bubbalo wrote:
Exactly. The US didn't care about what he was doing to his own people (nor did any other world government).

Didn't Israel knock on his door? Or was that Iran? I can't remember.

2007-03-28 21:35:15

#157

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6559

Iran went to war with him for a long period, but it wasn't motivated by concern for his people (Saddam started it, in fact).

I'm not aware of Israel getting into a fight with him, what year was it?

2007-03-28 21:36:11

#158

usmarine2007: Banned; +374|6365|Columbus, Ohio

Bubbalo wrote:
Iran went to war with him for a long period, but it wasn't motivated by concern for his people (Saddam started it, in fact).

I'm not aware of Israel getting into a fight with him, what year was it?

Didn't the attack a nuke facility or something in '81?

2007-03-28 22:01:28

#159

cpt.fass1: The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n; +329|6694|NJ

Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Israel is a stable goverment who stands alone in that regeon with our support. Why would you think Iraq couldn't.

ps. my kids are safe.

" German Bailed out of WW1 totally in tact " roflmao god !

Really??? How many foreign troops touched german soil? How many bombs landed there? look it up Troop loss is a way of war and not a lose even in a surender.... Retreat and fight an other day..

2007-03-28 22:30:54

#160

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6559

usmarine2007 wrote:
Bubbalo wrote:
Iran went to war with him for a long period, but it wasn't motivated by concern for his people (Saddam started it, in fact).

I'm not aware of Israel getting into a fight with him, what year was it?
Didn't the attack a nuke facility or something in '81?

Indeed they did.
Again, it didn't have anything to do with Saddam's treatment of his population, but, impressively, the US condemned it! Where's that "Things you like about the US" thread......................

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2007-03-29 00:10:18

#161

HunterOfSkulls: Rated EC-10; +246|6278

Bubbalo wrote:
Indeed they did.
Again, it didn't have anything to do with Saddam's treatment of his population, but, impressively, the US condemned it! Where's that "Things you like about the US" thread......................

Ah, the irony.

2007-03-29 04:44:16

#162

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6649|USA

Bubbalo wrote:
usmarine2007 wrote:
Bubbalo wrote:
Iran went to war with him for a long period, but it wasn't motivated by concern for his people (Saddam started it, in fact).

I'm not aware of Israel getting into a fight with him, what year was it?
Didn't the attack a nuke facility or something in '81?
Indeed they did.
Again, it didn't have anything to do with Saddam's treatment of his population, but, impressively, the US condemned it! Where's that "Things you like about the US" thread......................

Probably shut down at 2 posts

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2007-03-29 07:17:06

#163

Hunter/Jumper: Member; +117|6352

cpt.fass1 wrote:
Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Israel is a stable goverment who stands alone in that regeon with our support. Why would you think Iraq couldn't.

ps. my kids are safe.

" German Bailed out of WW1 totally in tact " roflmao god !
Really??? How many foreign troops touched german soil? How many bombs landed there? look it up Troop loss is a way of war and not a lose even in a surender.... Retreat and fight an other day..

Your entitled to your opinion however I think you'd be pressed to find many Germans back than who'd agree. I suggest you look into it further. I am not going to try and teach a class on the humiliation of Germany at the Treaty of Versiace. sp Just don't have Poe's energy.

" The Arms of Krupp " by William Manchester would be a good book to read.
he also wrote "Good Bye Darkness " which is pretty good too.

2007-03-29 17:39:14

#164

BN: smells like wee wee; +159|6766

The more I think about this the more I think it was all theatre. Of course this was going to get vetoed. It was just a ploy by the Dems to say that “If Bush vetoes he wants war with no end.”

2007-03-29 18:44:45

#165

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6403|North Carolina

The way I see it... It was pretty clever.

Bush demands funding for the military, and the Democrats offered it. They just added the withdrawal date. So now, it will look like Bush is vetoing funds.

You have to play dirty sometimes.

2007-03-30 06:08:34

#166

Hunter/Jumper: Member; +117|6352

Turquoise wrote:
The way I see it... It was pretty clever.

Bush demands funding for the military, and the Democrats offered it. They just added the withdrawal date. So now, it will look like Bush is vetoing funds.

You have to play dirty sometimes.

they also added millions of dollars in pork (special favors and projects) to "buy" the necessary votes to pass it

2007-03-30 06:10:47

#167

Stealth42o: She looked 18 to me officer; +175|6670

DBBrinson1 wrote:
All the insurgents have to do now is wait it out. It is a sad day here in America.

LOL HA HA HA HA

Like they were thinking "Man the Americans will never leave, lets just quit".

Leave now, save AMERICAN lives and let the insurgents destroy the country.

Wait a few years, loss a few thousand more American lives, leave, and let the insurgents take over.

hmmmmmm, tough choice.. moron.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:
they also added millions of dollars in pork (special favors and projects) to "buy" the necessary votes to pass it

People talk like this is the only bill riddled with pork... new break, they all are.

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2007-03-30 06:35:13

#168

Hunter/Jumper: Member; +117|6352

Thanks We are all aware of that,

Would they have gotten the bill passed without the pork ? I dont think so it was to close as it is.

Our people are still in harms way as we speak. You would think this one time we could put partisan politics aside and send a clean bill out fast.

I mean if we REALLY supported the troops.

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2007-03-30 06:37:37)

2007-03-30 07:01:20

#169

13rin: Member; +977|6477

Stealth42o wrote:
DBBrinson1 wrote:
All the insurgents have to do now is wait it out. It is a sad day here in America.
LOL HA HA HA HA

Like they were thinking "Man the Americans will never leave, lets just quit".

Leave now, save AMERICAN lives and let the insurgents destroy the country.

Wait a few years, loss a few thousand more American lives, leave, and let the insurgents take over.

hmmmmmm, tough choice.. moron.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:
they also added millions of dollars in pork (special favors and projects) to "buy" the necessary votes to pass it
People talk like this is the only bill riddled with pork... new break, they all are.

Your post spews of ignorance. Ask any Freshman West Point cadet. If you set a date for withdrawal, you are setting a date for surrender. You stay until the job is done. If the Dems want the troops out so bad why wait until next year? Why not tomorrow? DErrr.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2007-03-30 07:25:28

#170

Aapje: Internet Superhero; +221|6395

It's not that I am against the troops or something but I'm glad that they get pulled out because of the death toll.. I mean.. It's a war that can probably never end. You can not defeat terrorism.. Just my thoughts on it

2007-03-30 07:29:37

#171

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6559

You know what I think's great? The Democratic Senate uses it's power to control the President's ability to wage war (i.e. it's job) and in return gets accused of not supporting the troops. Surely if Bush cares he'll not veto it?

2007-03-30 07:45:23

#172

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6649|USA

Bubbalo wrote:
You know what I think's great? The Democratic Senate uses it's power to control the President's ability to wage war (i.e. it's job) and in return gets accused of not supporting the troops. Surely if Bush cares he'll not veto it?

Gotta look that up.....is retreating synonymous for "supporting the troops" now?? I guess it is for socialists huh??

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2007-03-30 07:47:00

#173

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6559

So, you can support the troops but not the war, but you can't end the war, bring the troops home to their families, and still support them?

Wow..............these rules are really complex................what if I take their family over there? Is that supporting them?

2007-03-30 07:50:41

#174

Hunter/Jumper: Member; +117|6352

kmt wrote:
It's not that I am against the troops or something but I'm glad that they get pulled out because of the death toll.. I mean.. It's a war that can probably never end. You can not defeat terrorism.. Just my thoughts on it

Crime dosn't seem to end but we never disband the Police Force as a solution.

We should examine the U.S.S.R.s short brush with Terrorists. They never bothered to kidnap Soviets citizens again.

Most people realize that the politics in America is about the two party's attaining and solidifying power. Since its G.W. Bushes War the Democrats are against it. If it had stated before his tenure ( many think it should have ) and he were trying to pull out, they would be supporting it to leverage power and support for their party. Its sad that the troops have to be a pawn in the processes.

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2007-03-30 07:51:54

#175

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6559

Uh............Chechen terrorists continue to make attacks on Russian civilians. And Russia pulled out of Afghanistan due to resistance led by Bin Laden.

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