Poll

Agree with the ban?

Yes, the Marines need to look proper33%33% - 23
Hell no, let em do what they want!66%66% - 46
Total: 69
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6875|The Land of Scott Walker
OCEANSIDE, Calif. —  Five tattooed skulls stretch from Marine Cpl. Jeremy Slaton's right elbow to his wrist, spelling out the word "Death." He planned to add a tattoo spelling "Life" on his left arm, but that's on hold because of a Marine policy taking effect Sunday.
The Marines are banning any new, extra-large tattoos below the elbow or the knee, saying such body art is harmful to the Corps' spit-and-polish image.
Slaton and other grunts are not pleased.
"I guess I'll get the other half later," grumbled the 24-year-old leatherneck from Eden Prairie, Minn. "It's kind of messed up."
For many Marines, getting a tattoo is a rite of passage. They commonly get their forearms inscribed to remember fallen comrades, combat tours or loved ones, and often ask for exotic designs that incorporate the Marine motto, Semper Fi, or "Always faithful."
Dozens of Marines from Camp Pendleton, the West Coast's biggest Marine base, made last-minute trips to tattoo parlors in nearby Oceanside before the ban kicked in.
"This is something I love to do," said Cpl. David Nadrchal, 20, of Ponoma, who made an appointment to get an Iraqi flag and his deployment dates etched onto his lower leg. "The fact I can't put something on my body that I want — it's a big thing to tell me I can't do that."
Nadrchal said he is unsure whether he will re-enlist: "There's all these little things. They are slowly chipping away at us."
Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James T. Conway announced the policy change last week.
"Some Marines have taken the liberty of tattooing themselves to a point that is contrary to our professional demeanor and the high standards America has come to expect from us," he said. "I believe tattoos of an excessive nature do not represent our traditional values."
The ban is aimed primarily at "sleeve" tattoos, the large and often elaborate designs on the biceps and forearms of many Marines. Similar designs on the lower legs will be forbidden as well. So will very large tattoos on the upper arm, if they are visible when a Marine wears his workout T-shirt. Small, individual tattoos will still be allowed on the arms and legs. (The Marines already ban them on the hands.)
Marines already tattooed are exempt from the ban but cannot add to their designs; anyone caught with fresh ink in the wrong places could be barred from re-enlistment or face disciplinary action. Getting a prohibited tattoo could constitute a violation of a lawful order, punishable by up to two years in prison and a dishonorable discharge, Marine spokesman 1st Lt. Brian Donnolly said.
Unit commanders must photograph and document sleeve tattoos to ensure Marines do not add to their ink.
The Marines and the other branches of the military already ban tattoos that could be offensive or disruptive, such as images that are sexist, vulgar, gang-related or extremist.
The Army, which has been doing most of the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and is struggling to fill its ranks, actually relaxed its tattoo restrictions last year. Soldiers can now get ink on the back of their hands and the lower back of the neck.
The Navy last year decreed that tattoos visible while in short-sleeve uniform cannot be larger than the wearer's hand. The Air Force says tattoos should be covered up if they are bigger than one-quarter the size of the exposed body part.
Tattoo artist Jerry Layton at the Body Temple Tattoo Studio in Oceanside said he was booked up with Marines rushing to beat the deadline.
"These are guys that are dying in the war," Layton said. "They can fight, but they can't get a tattoo? It's ridiculous."
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Discuss.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7196|Cambridge (UK)
Marines without tattoos?!?! do any exist?
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6797|Columbus, Ohio
Meh.  Not as bad as Clinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6720|Éire
Couldn't give a toss. I'd be more concerned with the decisions their superiors are making than whether or not they have tattoos. It's not like a marine's main task is to look pretty and respectable for board meetings.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7079

Works with your drinking age as well

"They can fight, but they can't get a beer? It's ridiculous."
Liberal-Sl@yer
Certified BF2S Asshole
+131|6886|The edge of sanity
Gunny from mail call has a big ass Corps symbol on his arm, why should this be any different? Let the marines do what they please they fight for your rights.
XanKrieger
iLurk
+60|7088|South West England
I couldnt care if they had a dragon or death on their back, correct me if i'm wrong but in either combat or ceremonial uniform their forearms and legs are covered though?
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7060|Washington, DC

XanKrieger wrote:

I couldnt care if they had a dragon or death on their back, correct me if i'm wrong but in either combat or ceremonial uniform their forearms and legs are covered though?
Yessir, if you ask me as long as they're not visible in ceremonial stuff it's fine.

They've got other things to worry about than damned tattoos.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6959|Global Command

usmarine2007 wrote:

Meh.  Not as bad as Clinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.
Nail on the head.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6925
The corps can do whatever they want. When you join, you sign your soul away. If the corps thinks their image needs the help, what do I care?
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6797|Columbus, Ohio

jonsimon wrote:

The corps can do whatever they want. When you join, you sign your soul away. If the corps thinks their image needs the help, what do I care?
My soul is gone?
R0lyP0ly
Member
+161|7084|USA

ATG wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Meh.  Not as bad as Clinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.
Nail on the head.
QFT!

Personally, I do not like tattoos. On Marines, I wouldn't mind, as long as it cannot be seen whilst wearing any uniform. I think that a person with little or no contact with a soldier can and will get a wrong first impression if the first 'soldier' they see is some burly guy with skulls racing down their arms. Sends the wrong picture, imo.

The Marine complaining about them not having the right to put what they want on their body must be severely mentally handicapped (more so than he already was for joining the usmc. jk usmarine ), as he forgot the fact that he volunteered for the Marines -- he has no rights!

And imho, the "They can fight for their country, why can't they xxxx" is overused and is stretched to apply to too many things....
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7092|USA
Thats messed up.


What about recruits that already have massive sleeves before joining? I doubt they they will be turned away.

Last edited by Mason4Assassin444 (2007-03-28 16:33:37)

SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6917|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
Wow, they actually did it! They have been talking about this for years, in 99 I had to have all my tattoos photoed for the "NEW" order that was coming out. The forearms are visible in the C class uniform, and Dress Blue Delta uniform. Only time your legs are showing is in PT gear. This order is bullshit!! The Corps is changing one of the main reasons I got out after 8yrs

Edit: Arms can be seen also during summer period in cammies (sleeves are up)

Last edited by SgtHeihn (2007-03-28 16:32:20)

killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|7021|Reisterstown, MD

While I was in the Corps, I saw a few Marines that had excessive tats get das boot because of it.  Excessive meaning having it show when in uniform, no matter the uniform.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6923|Connecticut

usmarine2007 wrote:

Meh.  Not as bad as Clinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.
lol, remember that day in the late 90's when we had to go and acknowledge that stupid policy? My platoon called it "Gay Day".
Malloy must go
m8v2
Banned
+16|6725
Marines are meant to kill the enemy, killers don't have to look clean and friendly.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6923|Connecticut
https://img65.imageshack.us/img65/3197/tattooig5.th.jpg
One of my tats, its on my right forearm proudly and I got it in the Corps.
Malloy must go
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6875|The Land of Scott Walker

m8v2 wrote:

Marines are meant to kill the enemy, killers don't have to look clean and friendly.
^^ That's the best answer I've seen so far. +1

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-03-28 16:58:13)

madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7140|Sweden
Don´t se any problem it´s their policy don´t like it don´t join, me myself would draw the line when a guy comes with a tatoo in his forhead saying "born to kill" or something.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7196|Cambridge (UK)

deeznutz1245 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Meh.  Not as bad as Clinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.
lol, remember that day in the late 90's when we had to go and acknowledge that stupid policy? My platoon called it "Gay Day".
What was the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy?
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6923|Connecticut

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Meh.  Not as bad as Clinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.
lol, remember that day in the late 90's when we had to go and acknowledge that stupid policy? My platoon called it "Gay Day".
What was the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy?
Gays were allowed to serve in the Military from that point forward as long as : 1) They do not openly discuss their sexual preference, and 2) You do not formally ask them or use rank to force them to discuss it.
Malloy must go
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7196|Cambridge (UK)

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:


lol, remember that day in the late 90's when we had to go and acknowledge that stupid policy? My platoon called it "Gay Day".
What was the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy?
Gays were allowed to serve in the Military from that point forward as long as : 1) They do not openly discuss their sexual preference, and 2) You do not formally ask them or use rank to force them to discuss it.
I see. <*looks confused*>
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6923|Connecticut
Everywhere you go there are rules. I guess we have to live with 'em.
Malloy must go
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7204|Noizyland

The Marines' dress uniform looks fruity, I reckon a tattoo, (or two,) wouldn't harm the Marine's precious image.
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