Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6668|North Carolina

Vilham wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

I don't see how Afghanistan is an illegal war... Iraq is debatable on the other hand...
That is what i was talking about... you dont blame the soldiers in iraq for doing their job do you. So why blame this guy for doing his?

Comon guys put on your thinking caps. Do people have to spell everything out to you?
I think the key difference here is that the Taliban was a terror-harboring government with a direct connection to the 9/11 plot.  We were justified in invading Afghanistan, and Hicks is, by extension, an accomplice to terrorism.
cospengle
Member
+140|6750|Armidale, NSW, Australia
Regardless of his guilt, he should never have been locked up for 5 years without trial. What's worse, fighting with the Taliban, or keeping someone in mostly solitary confinement for an indefinite period of over 5 years? ...and without even the chance to formally object to it or not.  Now he may as well plead guilty, everyone's already assumed his guilt, and his conviction is a foregone conclusion.

It's all part of a process blah, blah, blah... to be honest, since I'd never even heard of David Hicks before all this, I don't give a rats arse what happens to him once he's convicted. But as an Australian citizen I'm disgusted that little johny bent over and parted his cheeks once again on behalf of Australia. How can anyone call him a leader?
thehootman
Member
+1|6553|Sydney
I think most people here are missing the point.

THERE IS NO CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM. The military court has allowed heresay evidence and evidence under coercion.

He is an Australian citizen and as cospengle says, John Howard  "parted his cheeks once again on behalf of Australia" even though this jail is in clear breach of two words

GENEVA CONVENTION

And for all you americans, get off your high horse. You are not the world sherrifs. So stop acting like it.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6937|Canberra, AUS

cospengle wrote:

Regardless of his guilt, he should never have been locked up for 5 years without trial. What's worse, fighting with the Taliban, or keeping someone in mostly solitary confinement for an indefinite period of over 5 years? ...and without even the chance to formally object to it or not.  Now he may as well plead guilty, everyone's already assumed his guilt, and his conviction is a foregone conclusion.

It's all part of a process blah, blah, blah... to be honest, since I'd never even heard of David Hicks before all this, I don't give a rats arse what happens to him once he's convicted. But as an Australian citizen I'm disgusted that little johny bent over and parted his cheeks once again on behalf of Australia. How can anyone call him a leader?
Agreed, he should've been pocessed, tried and convicted right away.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7031

thehootman wrote:

I think most people here are missing the point.

THERE IS NO CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM. The military court has allowed heresay evidence and evidence under coercion.

He is an Australian citizen and as cospengle says, John Howard  "parted his cheeks once again on behalf of Australia" even though this jail is in clear breach of two words

GENEVA CONVENTION

And for all you americans, get off your high horse. You are not the world sherrifs. So stop acting like it.
Further to that: a lot of the evidence cannot be tested properly because it is classified!
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6824

Pug wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

As a soldier, in a war, which isn't a crime.
Last time I checked, Austrialia sent troops to Afghanistan.  But I guess it's okay to have your own countrymen fighting against your own troops.
Yes, he was Australian, so what?  He was a soldier with a legal government, which is not a crime under any law.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6824

Turquoise wrote:

Vilham wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

I don't see how Afghanistan is an illegal war... Iraq is debatable on the other hand...
That is what i was talking about... you dont blame the soldiers in iraq for doing their job do you. So why blame this guy for doing his?

Comon guys put on your thinking caps. Do people have to spell everything out to you?
I think the key difference here is that the Taliban was a terror-harboring government with a direct connection to the 9/11 plot.  We were justified in invading Afghanistan, and Hicks is, by extension, an accomplice to terrorism.
So does that mean that if the CIA kills an innocent person a US Marine can be tried for the crime?
KevMunro
Bring a Towel
+8|6694|Brisbane
Bet he never even aimed at an Aussie.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6657|The Gem Saloon

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Vilham wrote:


That is what i was talking about... you dont blame the soldiers in iraq for doing their job do you. So why blame this guy for doing his?

Comon guys put on your thinking caps. Do people have to spell everything out to you?
I think the key difference here is that the Taliban was a terror-harboring government with a direct connection to the 9/11 plot.  We were justified in invading Afghanistan, and Hicks is, by extension, an accomplice to terrorism.
So does that mean that if the CIA kills an innocent person a US Marine can be tried for the crime?
yes of course it does.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6805|Texas - Bigger than France

Bubbalo wrote:

Pug wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

As a soldier, in a war, which isn't a crime.
Last time I checked, Austrialia sent troops to Afghanistan.  But I guess it's okay to have your own countrymen fighting against your own troops.
Yes, he was Australian, so what?  He was a soldier with a legal government, which is not a crime under any law.
It's a crime in the US, I'm surprised its not in Austrialia.  Fighting against your own country is not a crime?  Unless he already revoked his citizenship of course...
Bananaman
Member
+9|6901
Personally I hope he is spared jail in Australia as soon as he gets there.

I hope he then kidnaps any American tourists that he sees in Oz and keeps them tied up in a basement for 5 years on rations and with a 10,000w floodlight which penetrates the eyelids making it impossible to ever get a good nights sleep. 

I know thats what I would be thinking if I was him.  I would want revenge.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6824

Pug wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Pug wrote:

Last time I checked, Austrialia sent troops to Afghanistan.  But I guess it's okay to have your own countrymen fighting against your own troops.
Yes, he was Australian, so what?  He was a soldier with a legal government, which is not a crime under any law.
It's a crime in the US, I'm surprised its not in Austrialia.  Fighting against your own country is not a crime?  Unless he already revoked his citizenship of course...
Should it be?  It assumes that a defense force is infallible.

Either way, it's irrelevant, because it was the US that held and tried him.

Last edited by Bubbalo (2007-03-28 06:56:33)

thehootman
Member
+1|6553|Sydney
Exactly. Australia had nothing to do with it.

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