The_Mob_Returns
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when Janet Reno fired ALL 93 attorneys nearly immediately after becoming Attorney General?


David Limbaugh wrote:

But where were Democrats when Janet Reno, almost immediately after becoming attorney general, took the unprecedented action of firing all 93 U.S. Attorneys even before successors were lined up to take their places?
http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/2 … -8863r.htm

Tim Graham wrote:

suggesting that Janet Reno's firing of 93 U.S. attorneys "raises suspicions that the Clinton administration is willing to put politics above enforcing the law."
http://newsbusters.org/node/11418

Leo Robinson wrote:

Doesn't anyone remember President Clinton's Attorney General Janet Reno? Doesn't anyone remember that shortly after her nomination was confirmed she announced the firing of all 93 U.S. attorneys, something no other AG had ever done before?
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/op … 627282.php

David Savage wrote:

fired all 93 U.S. attorneys
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgaz … 966482.htm

L. Brent Bozell III wrote:

Didn't Bill Clinton's brand-new attorney general, Janet Reno, demand resignations from all 93 U.S. attorneys on March 24, 1993?
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu … 98287.html

Gene Lyons wrote:

“In March of 1993,” an editorialist rationalizes, “Bill Clinton’s newly sworn-in Attorney General — Janet Reno — fired every single U.S. attorney in the country, all 93 of them, in the opening salvo of the Clinton years ... the most comprehensive, unmistakable, unprecedented and politically motivated dismissal of federal prosecutors in American history.”
http://www.leadercall.com/opinion/local … ndarystory

Ernest Hampson wrote:

The president has the right to hire and fire U.S. attorneys at his discretion, without explanation. When Janet Reno arbitrarily fired all 93 U.S. attorneys, at the behest of Bill Clinton, no reasons were offered. Not one word was heard from the Democrat-dominated Congress or the liberal media.

However, when Alberto Gonzales canned eight U.S. attorneys for failure to fulfill the duties of their office the Democrats in the Congress were outraged and the secular progressive media went bonkers. Why?
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cct … 974899.htm




I think you get the point now, but I wanted to make sure I didn't sound tooooo biased in my sources.
So, I included sources from the Washington Post, Fort Wayne (IN), California (twice!), Pittsburgh, and Mississippi.

Thoughts?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6411|North Carolina
Good points...
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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Hmmm, why haven't we seen this mentioned along with all the moaning about Gonzalez?  Perhaps the mainstream media is *gasp* biased or *gasp* has an agenda?  Say it ain't so!
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6567
Your point?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6411|North Carolina

Stingray24 wrote:

Hmmm, why haven't we seen this mentioned along with all the moaning about Gonzalez?  Perhaps the mainstream media is *gasp* biased or *gasp* has an agenda?  Say it ain't so!
Please stop the "media is liberally biased" crap.  The NY Times was one of the first sources to break the Monica Lewinsky scandal.  Is that a liberal bias?  No  Is that a conservative bias? No

It's about sensationalism and selling as many papers or as much air time as possible.  When you see things like this escape the media's attention it's more of a case of crappy journalistic research than of bias.  Most reporters can't be bothered to properly research the history of a phenomenon, regardless of whether the issue defames a conservative or a liberal.
Fen321
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Perhaps you forget that all of these were politically motivated in terms that -- we are NOW going to fire you for not trying more democrats (the case of one attorney) -- instead of firing ALL attorney from the get go. Which might I add was a power the was delegated to the president and since been revoked due to the scandal.

"However, when Alberto Gonzales canned eight U.S. attorneys for failure to fulfill the duties of their office the Democrats in the Congress were outraged and the secular progressive media went bonkers. Why?"

Why I was fired. 

Go ahead and explain how this person was not "fulfilling his duties."

Last edited by Fen321 (2007-03-26 19:13:36)

The_Mob_Returns
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Bubbalo wrote:

Your point?
Wow, if you don't get the point you haven't heard much, if any, news lately.


Clinton's administration fires all 93 attorneys...no news.
Bush's administration fires 8 attorneys...endless stream of news.

Get my point?
Fen321
Member
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The_Mob_Returns wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Your point?
Wow, if you don't get the point you haven't heard much, if any, news lately.


Clinton's administration fires all 93 attorneys...no news.
Bush's administration fires 8 attorneys...endless stream of news.

Get my point?
What's the motivation behind it?
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6567

The_Mob_Returns wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Your point?
Wow, if you don't get the point you haven't heard much, if any, news lately.
Yes, I've clearly been living in a cage.  How can I not be constantly watching streaming news from the US?

Thank you for explaining, though I fail to see how you blame the Democrats for the lack of coverage.
The_Mob_Returns
Member
+72|6728|Indianapolis, IN
But, I must agree that the move was political by Bush, as was the move by Clinton.

(and when I refer to one of these individuals I refer to their administrations not to any one particular action of said  individual)
ATG
Banned
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The_Mob_Returns wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Your point?
Wow, if you don't get the point you haven't heard much, if any, news lately.


Clinton's administration fires all 93 attorneys...no news.
Bush's administration fires 8 attorneys...endless stream of news.

Get my point?
He's from a long ways  away and probably has heard that.

And he has to be contradictory. Always.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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I wasn't trying to be contradictory, I just didn't understand why it was suddenly important what happened under the Clinton administration.  It just seemed really out of nowhere.
ATG
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His overall point is about the double standard.
TBH, these Bush attorney firings smell more revengy in nature. I despise Bush.
Fen321
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Its not out of no where -- its out of a bipartisan prism we are forced to view the world here in the states...rather crumby situation, but most people simply identify with a party and that's as far as democracy goes.
The_Mob_Returns
Member
+72|6728|Indianapolis, IN
democracy....arg...we, in the US of A are not in a democracy!  (another pet peeve)

The purpose of the thread was to bring to light an opposing viewpoint to mainstream media in the US of A right now.  I myself at some point in the past on this site was probably labeled as a Neo-con but the fact of the matter is, I don't believe I can place myself in either a the dems or the repubs category.  Each are driven by party politics too much.  Therefore, I form by own opinions on issues and support candidates based on which one fits my ideals the best.

and yes bubbalo, this was out of nowhere because the lack of attention that was drawn to clinton's actions have been grating on me for a while now.
san4
The Mas
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The_Mob_Returns wrote:

David Limbaugh wrote:

But where were Democrats when Janet Reno, almost immediately after becoming attorney general, took the unprecedented action of firing all 93 U.S. Attorneys even before successors were lined up to take their places?
http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/2 … -8863r.htm

I think you get the point now, but I wanted to make sure I didn't sound tooooo biased in my sources.
So, I included sources from the Washington Post, Fort Wayne (IN), California (twice!), Pittsburgh, and Mississippi.
Not disagreeing with the underlying facts, but there's big difference between the Washington Post and the Washington Times. Big.
dsouth
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To save everyone time, the difference is explained here:

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/ar … 10193.html

To summarize:  Presidents always appoint new US attorneys, replacing the existing ones.  Both Clinton and Bush did this when they took office.  The reason many on the left *and* right are upset by the firing of these 8 are that they were replaced long after Bush took office for what appears to be political reasons and (thanks to the Pat. Act), without legislative confirmation.  Whether or not politics was actually the sole motivation is still being investigated.

(oops, hit submit rather than check spelling, now fixed....)

Last edited by dsouth (2007-03-26 20:25:45)

Turquoise
O Canada
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dsouth wrote:

To save everyone time, the difference is explained here:

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/ar … 10193.html

To summarize:  Presidents always appoint new US attorneys, replacing the existing ones.  Both Clinton and Bush did this when they took office.  The reason many on the left *and* right are upset by the firing of these 8 are that they were replaced long after Bush took office for what appears to be political reasons and (thianks to the Pat. Act, without confirmation legislative.  Wether or not politics wa actually the sole motivation is still being investigated.
Thanks for the info... 
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6772|UK
So basically you like the blame game. Blame Hillary for Bills mistakes... yeah coz that makes sense.

Last edited by Vilham (2007-03-26 20:18:28)

GATOR591957
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The_Mob_Returns wrote:

when Janet Reno fired ALL 93 attorneys nearly immediately after becoming Attorney General?


David Limbaugh wrote:

But where were Democrats when Janet Reno, almost immediately after becoming attorney general, took the unprecedented action of firing all 93 U.S. Attorneys even before successors were lined up to take their places?
http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/2 … -8863r.htm

Tim Graham wrote:

suggesting that Janet Reno's firing of 93 U.S. attorneys "raises suspicions that the Clinton administration is willing to put politics above enforcing the law."
http://newsbusters.org/node/11418

Leo Robinson wrote:

Doesn't anyone remember President Clinton's Attorney General Janet Reno? Doesn't anyone remember that shortly after her nomination was confirmed she announced the firing of all 93 U.S. attorneys, something no other AG had ever done before?
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/op … 627282.php

David Savage wrote:

fired all 93 U.S. attorneys
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgaz … 966482.htm

L. Brent Bozell III wrote:

Didn't Bill Clinton's brand-new attorney general, Janet Reno, demand resignations from all 93 U.S. attorneys on March 24, 1993?
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu … 98287.html

Gene Lyons wrote:

“In March of 1993,” an editorialist rationalizes, “Bill Clinton’s newly sworn-in Attorney General — Janet Reno — fired every single U.S. attorney in the country, all 93 of them, in the opening salvo of the Clinton years ... the most comprehensive, unmistakable, unprecedented and politically motivated dismissal of federal prosecutors in American history.”
http://www.leadercall.com/opinion/local … ndarystory

Ernest Hampson wrote:

The president has the right to hire and fire U.S. attorneys at his discretion, without explanation. When Janet Reno arbitrarily fired all 93 U.S. attorneys, at the behest of Bill Clinton, no reasons were offered. Not one word was heard from the Democrat-dominated Congress or the liberal media.

However, when Alberto Gonzales canned eight U.S. attorneys for failure to fulfill the duties of their office the Democrats in the Congress were outraged and the secular progressive media went bonkers. Why?
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cct … 974899.htm




I think you get the point now, but I wanted to make sure I didn't sound tooooo biased in my sources.
So, I included sources from the Washington Post, Fort Wayne (IN), California (twice!), Pittsburgh, and Mississippi.

Thoughts?
This is the perfect example of "Duck and cover"

The better question would be where were the Republicans!!!!
The_Mob_Returns
Member
+72|6728|Indianapolis, IN
Ah, I knew I would make a mistake somewhere in the post.
I am sorry for that.  (dang it, and I proofread)

If you want I will search for an article in the Washington post too. 
oChaos.Haze
Member
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I remember this, and I was young.  Just because you don't remember it, does NOT equal it not having coverage.  They talked about this when it happened, and now they bring it back up.  You didn't remember it, so therefore it's about media bias?  I think not...
dsouth
Member
+5|6392

The_Mob_Returns wrote:

Ah, I knew I would make a mistake somewhere in the post.
I am sorry for that.  (dang it, and I proofread)

If you want I will search for an article in the Washington post too. 
As I said above:  Administrations always appoint new US Attorneys, replacing the ones from the previous administration.  Clinton appointed new US A's to replace GHW Bush's.  GW Bush appointed new ones to replace Clinton's.  Whomever is elected in 2008 will appoint new ones to replace GWB's.   In other news, they also appoint new cabinet members.  All of this is *no big deal*, no matter how much anyone wants it to be.

What *might* be different in this case is that the 8 US A's were fired long after the Clinton->Bush transition and appear to have been fired for political rather than performance reasons.  And it now appears that the AG lied about the firing when he was questioned (saying he knew nothing about it when records show he was in meetings where it was discussed).  Note the *might* --- investigation is on-going so the whole thing could still blow over or blow up.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6668|USA
The point is they fired them all. Bush and Gonzalez fired only a handful. Gonzalez even suggested firing all of them, at the start of Bush's second term and it was scrapped.

The question now is why get rid of the select few. And suspicions are vindicated by the fact that the Bush Administration is not cooperating with any investigation of the matter.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
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dsouth wrote:

The_Mob_Returns wrote:

Ah, I knew I would make a mistake somewhere in the post.
I am sorry for that.  (dang it, and I proofread)

If you want I will search for an article in the Washington post too. 
As I said above:  Administrations always appoint new US Attorneys, replacing the ones from the previous administration.  Clinton appointed new US A's to replace GHW Bush's.  GW Bush appointed new ones to replace Clinton's.  Whomever is elected in 2008 will appoint new ones to replace GWB's.   In other news, they also appoint new cabinet members.  All of this is *no big deal*, no matter how much anyone wants it to be.

What *might* be different in this case is that the 8 US A's were fired long after the Clinton->Bush transition and appear to have been fired for political rather than performance reasons.  And it now appears that the AG lied about the firing when he was questioned (saying he knew nothing about it when records show he was in meetings where it was discussed).  Note the *might* --- investigation is on-going so the whole thing could still blow over or blow up.
I was wondering how many posts it would take before some one actually mentioned that Clinton did this at the beginning of his term, and not half way through a second term.

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