Just wanted to know what you guys think about the Columbine school massacre. Iv been reading up allot about this and I wouldent mind getting some more info and hearing what you think about. No flaming, just talk about the topic.
It happened a long time ago. Two crazy kids broke some laws, got their hands on some illegal weapons, and built a bunch of bombs. They they tried to kill everyone that had made their lives in high school hell.Choclot wrote:
Just wanted to know what you guys think about the Columbine school massacre. Iv been reading up allot about this and I wouldent mind getting some more info and hearing what you think about. No flaming, just talk about the topic.
It was very vogue at the time.
I guess what do you want to know? I was in high school at the time, so this is something that I remember well. There were a rash of high school shootings in the country, Columbine HS in Colorado just happened to be the one with the biggest body count.
The results are what's so long term. It's why kids are expelled for writing down a "hit list," its where those stupid zero tolerance laws came from. It was the big driver of school safety officers. It started that bullshit craze for see-through backpacks, and put metal detectors at schools of all white kids.
The ironically funny thing is, had Harris and Kleibold paid more attention in shop class, the death toll would have been much, much higher. They had bombs planted all over the school, as well as the evacuation route, that failed to explode due to faulty timers. Had the timers worked, the police think the firing mechanism would have worked as well.
Beyond that, nothing has changed. For a little while there, folks made an effort to be nicer to each other. The jocks were nice to the nerds, in case one of the nerds had a mac-10 under his coat. Now? According to my roommate, the teacher, things are back to the status quo. Kids pick on other kids. Some get bullied, some are bullies, and the rest just get along. I really don't know how many seniors in high school could tell you about the Columbine shootings, or Jonesboro, or Paducah. It's faded in our memories.
Wow thanks for that. I read that most of their pipe bombs didnt go off and that their main explosive that didnt explode was ment to bring down the whole libary ontop of very one. Their plan for after the explosion was to gun down the survivors and then hijack a plane and crash it into a New York building...riiiight. They were pretty fucked up.
Keep this tread going!
Keep this tread going!
It's all the damn rock/ metal music that made them kill!
Usually I would advocate reading rather than watching films to gain insight into real life events but if you wanna check out a decent interpretation of the Columbine massacre check out Gus Van Sant's 'Elephant'. The film doesn't try to presume to know too much about what happened in the build up to the massacre and doesn't judge the various characters in a way that a Hollywood block buster would.
I think kids think twice now about ganging up and picking on people relentlessly.
An ugly evil method of making a point.
To younger dudes I'd say, don't seek out the footage. It worms its way into the dark parts of the brain, where madness dwells.
An ugly evil method of making a point.
To younger dudes I'd say, don't seek out the footage. It worms its way into the dark parts of the brain, where madness dwells.
Don't you remember? It was Doom.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
It's all the damn rock/ metal music that made them kill!
EMO kids who got picked on. Now we have bands to make them feel better so they don't kill themselves and others.
I think the EMO kids who had such a terrible life yet drove a BMW, lived in a rich neighborhood, had cell phones when cell phones were not so widespread. They had clothes on their backs, food on the table. Poor kids. Go live in Africa you little EMO fucks.
May they burn in hell.
May they burn in hell.
They were idiots. Whatever it is they thought they were doing, whether it was revenge or trying to strike back at people who were screwing with them or whatever, they let their own anger run them and made things worse for everyone else. The status quo remains, bullying continues, schools turn a blind eye to it but now they profile for "problem" students. School administrators set up students for disciplinary counselling and expulsion all in the name of covering their own asses instead of dealing with the actual problems. Plus these sick bastards and those like them at other schools seem to have revived the "school satanic/gang consultant" industry that cropped up back in the 1980s, subjecting the educational system to further taxpayer-funded idiocy as these so-called "experts" spread bogus information and lies to school administrators and parents eager to do anything but look in the mirror.Choclot wrote:
Just wanted to know what you guys think about the Columbine school massacre. Iv been reading up allot about this and I wouldent mind getting some more info and hearing what you think about. No flaming, just talk about the topic.
Why are American schools so fucked up? Could it be something to do with the Capitalist concept that only the strongest succeed in society? Those that are perceived to be weak (lacking in personality, ugly, not successful in academic or sporting terms) are shunned and often bullied. How can you perpetuate one concept for society i.e. do everything you can to get ahead, be successful, work hard, strive towards higher social circles etc. and then try and turn around to the youth and say 'play nice, be fair, don't bully, don't be elitist'?
Just a theory but there is a higher frequency of this kind of thing in the States than in Socialist Europe, what does anyone else think?
Just a theory but there is a higher frequency of this kind of thing in the States than in Socialist Europe, what does anyone else think?
Wrong Braddock. This happens everywhere. Maybe not with a gun, but it happens.
Fucking Emo's... Hell they bitch way too much... Even though you may have lost a GF or something, don't fucking bitch about being bullied, go like work out or something and probably no one will bully you.usmarine2007 wrote:
I think the EMO kids who had such a terrible life yet drove a BMW, lived in a rich neighborhood, had cell phones when cell phones were not so widespread. They had clothes on their backs, food on the table. Poor kids. Go live in Africa you little EMO fucks.
May they burn in hell.
Steady on usmarine2007 I wasn't trying to attack you or the US, I know instances of this kind of thing have taken place all over the world but there does appear to be a higher frequency of this kind of thing in the States, there was one not that long ago when that native American kid went postal on his school. I just wonder does the competitiveness of American society (and that's what Capitalism is all about-competitiveness) filter down to the school children and breed a certain amount of discontent?usmarine2007 wrote:
Wrong Braddock. This happens everywhere. Maybe not with a gun, but it happens.
I accept that the availability of fire arms in the US makes it easier for such events to happen there.
There is a lot of violence in schools everywhere I think, there is a lot of it in UK schools, many who have problems with bullying, and the victims turn to suicide. But it's actually the reverse in many respects, because its the ugly, unsuccessful ones who go on to pick on the high achievers. However, I can see where you come from, and capitalist concepts in these respects are quite evident throughout many societies in the West. As for American schools, well, from what I know there is easier access to firearms in the US, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see a shooting in the UK soon enough, with weaponry becoming more widely available.Braddock wrote:
Why are American schools so fucked up? Could it be something to do with the Capitalist concept that only the strongest succeed in society? Those that are perceived to be weak (lacking in personality, ugly, not successful in academic or sporting terms) are shunned and often bullied. How can you perpetuate one concept for society i.e. do everything you can to get ahead, be successful, work hard, strive towards higher social circles etc. and then try and turn around to the youth and say 'play nice, be fair, don't bully, don't be elitist'?
Just a theory but there is a higher frequency of this kind of thing in the States than in Socialist Europe, what does anyone else think?
Still, armed or not, there is bullying throughout society, its the sad fact that its because we're human.
I believe the media unwittingly makes these tragedies far worse than they already are by high publicizing them. After hearing about the insane things these guys did, what’s the first thing that pops into some kid’s mind when he/she gets picked on? Before it was, “Man, this sucks” and maybe the thought crossed their mind to want to kill someone at their very lowest moment. However now it could be, “Here’s my list, I’m gonna get these people like those guys in Columbine.” I think the media was extremely irresponsible in giving too much info which resulted in copycat repeats of the tragedy.
Are you honestly suggesting that bullying doesn't happen in European schools? Come on.
Are you honestly suggesting that bullying doesn't happen in European schools? Come on.
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I think the media was extremely irresponsible in giving too much info which resulted in copycat repeats of the tragedy.
Are you honestly suggesting that bullying doesn't happen in European schools? Come on.
You're right in that respect, and while I'm sure the media feel obligated by their responsibility in bringing the public the truth, I think that they should show a little more caution in how they communicate themselves to their respective viewers. A lot of people are desensitised by what they see and hear about from the media, and I think in some cases it certainly has changed
how people would have responded to a certain situation.
i wouldnt say the media is oblivious to its affects. the more they make it a tragedy the more they sell, as with the more they reveal. i would state they are very aware of what they print and its affects. however if it was to fuel more circumstances that can be made news worthy would it be considered a bad thing from a journalistic point of view?
@stingray, no-one is saying its only in US schools however there seems to be a higher rate of homicide by fellow students in the US, with easy access to automatic weapons its even easier/likely for the kill ratio to be higher.
In the UK the main problem are knives. however someone will usually only manage to kill/injure 1. its a much slower weapon to wield on a large group, you can run from it, its more personal etc. and its also easier to react to for both police and passer by.
@stingray, no-one is saying its only in US schools however there seems to be a higher rate of homicide by fellow students in the US, with easy access to automatic weapons its even easier/likely for the kill ratio to be higher.
In the UK the main problem are knives. however someone will usually only manage to kill/injure 1. its a much slower weapon to wield on a large group, you can run from it, its more personal etc. and its also easier to react to for both police and passer by.
Very true. While it wouldn't be so bad for the journalists in getting more news that sells, they should at least consider the moral implications to an extent. Someone did a drama piece at the college I go to recently, and it was very in keeping with this theme that "news sells", based around gun crime. I suppose it comes down to where the line must be drawn, but not too many people seem to see that these days.Toxicseagull wrote:
i wouldnt say the media is oblivious to its affects. the more they make it a tragedy the more they sell, as with the more they reveal. i would state they are very aware of what they print and its affects. however if it was to fuel more circumstances that can be made news worthy would it be considered a bad thing from a journalistic point of view?
No cyborg it was the ninja bunny subliminal messages in Barney and teletubbies that made them do it.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
It's all the damn rock/ metal music that made them kill!
On a serious note they just used video games as an excuse to do this shit.
indeed. such as statistics (i think its true in america as well as the UK) that whilst actual crime has fallen the coverage has shot up. we are much more aware of what is going around us, for good or bad. but bad sells better always.
I'm not so sure its the competitiveness. After all, Japan is a much more competitive society, and all the Japanese kids do is kill themselves, not others. (In all reality, the suicide rate among Japanese high school kids is really high).Braddock wrote:
Steady on usmarine2007 I wasn't trying to attack you or the US, I know instances of this kind of thing have taken place all over the world but there does appear to be a higher frequency of this kind of thing in the States, there was one not that long ago when that native American kid went postal on his school. I just wonder does the competitiveness of American society (and that's what Capitalism is all about-competitiveness) filter down to the school children and breed a certain amount of discontent?usmarine2007 wrote:
Wrong Braddock. This happens everywhere. Maybe not with a gun, but it happens.
I accept that the availability of fire arms in the US makes it easier for such events to happen there.
just watch the movie "bowling for colombine"
Actually to my knowledge that has only been linked and been sort of true once. A kid at my school was murdered 3 years ago by his friend who used a screwdriver to stab him, before leading him to die. They linked the computer game 'Manhunt' to his crime, because he had played that, and in that the player gets a screwdriver at one point or something like that. It's not really the game in the end, its the person's mentality and mindset. Sad thing to have happen, but again, its down to what we see in both the media, and during our lives that change us.Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:
No cyborg it was the ninja bunny subliminal messages in Barney and teletubbies that made them do it.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
It's all the damn rock/ metal music that made them kill!
On a serious note they just used video games as an excuse to do this shit.
Good point. I don't believe the media is oblivious, they'll trying to grab as much of the ratings as they can and they know tragedy pulls in the viewers. I believe journalism has changed very much from what it used to be because the networks have to compete with the 24 hour news cycle on cable tv news and the internet.Toxicseagull wrote:
i wouldnt say the media is oblivious to its affects. the more they make it a tragedy the more they sell, as with the more they reveal. i would state they are very aware of what they print and its affects. however if it was to fuel more circumstances that can be made news worthy would it be considered a bad thing from a journalistic point of view?
@stingray, no-one is saying its only in US schools however there seems to be a higher rate of homicide by fellow students in the US, with easy access to automatic weapons its even easier/likely for the kill ratio to be higher.
In the UK the main problem are knives. however someone will usually only manage to kill/injure 1. its a much slower weapon to wield on a large group, you can run from it, its more personal etc. and its also easier to react to for both police and passer by.
There is not "easy access" to automatic weapons in US. To legally obtain automatic weapons there is a long licensing process involved. When high school kids access weapons it comes down to parental responsibility. If they own weapons of this nature, they should keep them in a place their kids can't access them. The parents of the two at Columbine obviously didn't.