BF2S Forums The TRUE End to the Global Warming Debate

usmarine2007 wrote:

I know this issue is as passionate and divided as religion or Iraq, but the term "fact" being tossed around needs to stop.  There is no way to know without a shadow of a doubt if global warming is truly a problem.  Why you ask?

Weather.

There is no way in hell anyone can tell me that the earth's weather patterns are not the cause of all this "disturbing" data.  Anyone who works in an industry where they read and try and predict weather, know damn well we do not know shit about it.  I have been reading and trying to understand and predict weather for almost ten years now, and I am right only about 60% of the time.  As for the experts, they are right about 80% of the time.

That is still not accurate enough to tell me that humans or weather is the cause of heating, cooling, floods, hurricanes, etc. 

Until we can understand weather completely, there is no way it can be "ruled out" as a cause or the cause of anything.

usmarine2007 wrote:

Spark wrote:

But why are we arguing? Each to his own, eh? I'll worry about global warming (because that affects me), and you worry about the state of your country (because that affects you).

Because each side is arguing like they "know."  I am trying to say, nobody really knows.

CC-Marley wrote:

I've always said that Mars was getting hotter!

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Why did global temperature fall post war during the economic boom into the 70s ?

During the medieval warm period wealth increased. This was the age of the cathedrale builders. In the uk we were growing grape vines in the north of england. Contrastingly in the little ice age, crops failed and there was a lot of famine. Now i know where i would rather be.

"global warming" comes from sun spots (indirectly) i cant remember exactly how it worked (summet to do with solar wind) but this guy in america has been betting against the met office and has won over $100,000 with his weather predictions just by counting sun spots. coincidence?

Alternative more efficient fuels are the natural next step.

I hope you understand that the temperatures are much higher now than they ever were during the medieval warming period.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Medevial warm period had a much higher temp than we do nowadays. In fact i have a question. When pangea was still around and there were still dinasours then what was the temps like then? well obviously not freezing right? Well then they must have been warm. its called cycles my freind. I think we are actually going for a global cooling being that we ARE in an interglacial period. Now dont get me wrong global warming is REAL but not in the way or magnitude many say it is.

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Medevial warm period had a much higher temp than we do nowadays. In fact i have a question. When pangea was still around and there were still dinasours then what was the temps like then? well obviously not freezing right? Well then they must have been warm. its called cycles my freind. I think we are actually going for a global cooling being that we ARE in an interglacial period. Now dont get me wrong global warming is REAL but not in the way or magnitude many say it is.

I guess if you say wrong enough it makes it true..lol
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20 … 541414.htm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....HAHAHAHHAHAH..HAHA..HA. hockey stick graph. every fucking time. hockey stick graph is a map that is null and void. search for the video about teh hockey stick graph.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-03-25 18:51:43)

PureFodder wrote:

Ok, just to be clear for everyone.

a) Why did the global temperature drop in the 70s?
Temperature drops as we begin to pump out massive amounts of aerosols, then goes back up as we stop pumping them out due to noticunf the ozone holes. (even more great evidence that man-made pollution can vary the global temperature).

b) Does the sun cause global warming?
The troposphere is increasing in temperature, while the stratosphere is dropping in temperature. As the only real source of heating for the stratosphere is solar output there is absolutely no possible way that the increases in teperature in the troposphere could be caused by an increase in solar output.

c) Do we need to know exactly how weather works to work out what's going on with global warming?
No. This is a global measurement, the fluctuations in local weather conditions get nicely evened out of any calculations unless you can remember any global snow showers that lasted 5 years?

You can easily work out properties of huge systems without knowing every last detail about every proces that's goin on inside it, and besides which, weather prediction at the moment is unbelievably great and based on a vast knowledge of how weather works.

A good example is, although people may not know why an indivitual share price fluctuates a little on a daily basis, people are very good at working out why the stock market rises and drops.

vedds wrote:

Aside from the debate of whether it is happening and man made, Im still waiting for someone to prove why change is bad. If the earth had been in a state of homeostasis, we wouldnt have developed as we have.

• 30 species of whale, dolphin
• 6 species of sea turtle
• 15 species of seagrass
• 200 species of birds
• 5000 species of mullosc
• 17 species of sea snake
• 1500 species of fish
• 500 species of marine algae/ seaweed
• 400 species of coral

JahManRed wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Interesting quote from the fourth IPCC report on global warming:
"Both past and future anthropogenic (man-made) carbon dioxide emissions will continue to contribute to warming and sea level rise for more than a millennium, due to the timescales required for removal of this gas from the atmosphere."

In which case, it's too late.....

Ok, so I should just keep polluting as it 'could' be the weather and put my efforts into building an underground bunker and buying up land in Africa instead?