I love the M24 too - it looks like a hunting rifle. I feel like I'm hunting people...Jemme101 wrote:
The M24 is just plain more seXeh so I will take it over the L96A1 any dayxintegrityx wrote:
Look at the L96A1 and the M24 - functionally they are exactly the same, but you rarely see people using the M24 over the L96A1 ...
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Ding ding ding ding ding. You are correct! Tell the man what he's won...SharkyMcshark wrote:
Or is it just a bunch of pre pubescent fools trying to appear as tough guys?
One rebuttal the thread starter didn't mention is the argument that CAL and TWL players don't use unlocks, so that somehow makes them automatically superior to everyone.
Smells like shit to me.
Smells like shit to me.
i used to use unlocks i tend to not use unlocks anymore since i like default ;]
Already posted as post #32 by me{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
One rebuttal the thread starter didn't mention is the argument that CAL and TWL players don't use unlocks, so that somehow makes them automatically superior to everyone.
Smells like shit to me.
some of the unlocks are not that bad , if you get tired of the same old guns switching to a new gun is a nice change.
bullshit, people should be able to use unlocks, because they earned it
plus unlocks should be 2x better standard weapon, noy specialized or crappier
people who have crappy GPU have crappy accuracy due graphics, so unlock compensated for that
i have used g36e and shot a stationary target from 50m away, took me 20rounds, because of my graphics was so crappy
it's about skill and GPU
plus unlocks should be 2x better standard weapon, noy specialized or crappier
people who have crappy GPU have crappy accuracy due graphics, so unlock compensated for that
i have used g36e and shot a stationary target from 50m away, took me 20rounds, because of my graphics was so crappy
it's about skill and GPU
While it is true that competitive players started the default trend, it is not true that the unlocks are harder to use. If I went around with a G36E instead of a ak or 16 i would prob kill 2x as many as i do now because of the G36E's lack of recoil.Jemme101 wrote:
A minority within the competitive community feels the need to piss on everybody who does not play compo's/ladders/leagues. They always use the argument that they are the best of the best because they use the default armory and in pubs people dont.
On average the defaults are the better choice and the Unlocks dont give any advantage at all. In fact the Unlocks are harder to use.
Sorry, I must have skipped over that post.Jemme101 wrote:
Already posted as post #32 by me{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
One rebuttal the thread starter didn't mention is the argument that CAL and TWL players don't use unlocks, so that somehow makes them automatically superior to everyone.
Smells like shit to me.
*Blends back into crowd*
I just don't see how I can be a newb if I use the Scar-L on Dalian, but a newb if I DON'T use it on devils perch...
The G36E has recoil but its not progressive, according to the weapon file it has 0.3.Mr.Casual wrote:
While it is true that competitive players started the default trend, it is not true that the unlocks are harder to use. If I went around with a G36E instead of a ak or 16 i would prob kill 2x as many as i do now because of the G36E's lack of recoil.
The M16A2 has progressive recoil, it starts at 0.1 and has max recoil of 0.6.
The AK-101 also has progressive recoil, but starts higher at 0.4 and has a max at 0.6.
In other words the M16A2 the best weapon in Single Shot mode, while the G36E has an advantage in continued Burst Shot mode. The AK-101 has a higher damage per round output and is thus compensated.
Thats what RoosterCantrell on page 1 more or less explained when he said ...
-RoosterCantrell wrote:
Unlocks are just unlocks, and trade + and - in different areas with te regualr weapons, making the weapons a personal choice with what a particular person is skilled with.
Someone who has a naturally good accuracy can trade a bit of accuracy for firepower and compensate. Others take the accuracy to over firepower to ensure better hits in more lethal areas.
Ok lol, have a +1 to make you feel better{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
Sorry, I must have skipped over that post.Jemme101 wrote:
Already posted as post #32 by me{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
One rebuttal the thread starter didn't mention is the argument that CAL and TWL players don't use unlocks, so that somehow makes them automatically superior to everyone.
Smells like shit to me.
*Blends back into crowd*
So very true. Like most other people, I'll usually go with the standard weapon, unless I can't use the standard weapon, in which case the unlock gives me an upper-hand (like it ever works for me ). For example, I can't use the RPK-74. Don't ask how, I just can't. In this case, I switch to the MG36, or to a lesser extent, the PKM. However, I can be somewhat proficient with the M249, in which case, I use that. Of course, sometimes, I just have to abandon the G36E for the M16 or AK-101. They just sound so much more...manly.blademaster wrote:
some of the unlocks are not that bad , if you get tired of the same old guns switching to a new gun is a nice change.
The mistake is thinking that their 'reasons' will make senseSharkyMcshark wrote:
Honestly, i'm waiting for the poeple that post IN EVERY 'which unlock should I get next thread' saying that unlocks are for noobs to post here so I can understand where they're coming from.
Joking aside, there have been many past threads that bring the subject up so bit by bit we've seen all the arguments from that side and unless you're a competitive player and you feel you need to keep your default-weapon skills honed by only using them there is simply nothing that holds any water. Say we have two guys that like to play support, one is awesome with the RPK and the other doesn't like it and owns with the PKM; it would be pretty stupid for either of those guys to change what they're doing.
Except when they're not For all the classes?SoC./Omega wrote:
...stock weps are better
And if it smells like it there's a pretty good chance it is.{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
Smells like shit to me.
Um, well, okay... so why don't you? I mean seriously, do you want more of the enemy to live?Mr.Casual wrote:
If I went around with a G36E instead of a ak or 16 i would prob kill 2x as many as i do now because of the G36E's lack of recoil.
Oh and P.S. I'd love to see proof of that... more kills yeah, I'd buy that maybe, but 2x?
People can use any weapons they want.
If some "honourable","leet" guy wants to run around with a M16 and get killed over and over let him.
If you were really "leet" you'd run around with a pistol killing people with rifles.
If some "honourable","leet" guy wants to run around with a M16 and get killed over and over let him.
If you were really "leet" you'd run around with a pistol killing people with rifles.
Mag size on all those weapons is 30 rounds plus the M16A2 and G36E have the same Kill Speed so ... 2x, nahTodd_Angelo wrote:
Um, well, okay... so why don't you? I mean seriously, do you want more of the enemy to live?Mr.Casual wrote:
If I went around with a G36E instead of a ak or 16 i would prob kill 2x as many as i do now because of the G36E's lack of recoil.
Oh and P.S. I'd love to see proof of that... more kills yeah, I'd buy that maybe, but 2x?
lets put it this way, ea put them in the game for a reason ( to be used), and its oviously your choose if you use them or not...
Use your unlocks if you want. I use a mix of both. I USE THE G36E cuz i dont like the other 2 guns and i LIKE the g36e. I also use the AT unlocks, sniper unlocks, and sometimes support unlocks. So what are you going to tell me im a noob? I dont care. If it affects you enough to call me a noob for using it you're obviously getting owned by it quite a bit.
anddd for all you air whores, i GUARENTEE you use the m95, you all know why, that most make you "unlock noobs, yourself"
whatever feels right to you: then do it. if you dont like a gun, a kit, a jet, or a tank, no one is going to force you to do so.SharkyMcshark wrote:
So we've all heard the 'leet' few on these and other forums saying unlocks are for 'n00bs'. But I'm confused why to be honest. There seems to be three arguments against unlocks:
Argument A: Unlocks are for noobs because the standardweapons are better (ie more accurate, damaging, less recoil etc etc). Examples: QBZ > G36C, M24 > M95, RPK > PKM/MG36. This argues that only the uninitiated, or those with a lack of knowledge would use unlocks simply for the reason that they have earned them and therefore they must be better.
Argument B: Unlocks are for noobs because they create an imbalance in the game (ie are better in some way than the standard weapon). Examples G36E > Ak101, P90 > MP5, L96A1 > Type 88/SVD, G3 > M16A2. This argues that only people that lack skill use unlocks because they aren't good enough to 'pwnzor' with the standard weapons.
Argument C: Unlocks are for noobs because it imbalances the game due to the fact that higher ranked players get access to more kit variations that lower ranked players.
The only problem is that Arguments A and B are contradictory. Argument A says that unlocks are worse and therefore for noobs, and B says that unlocks are better than standard weapons and therefore for skill less players. I could understand if it was one argument or the other, but for example the QBZ is clearly better than any other carbine, and yet it is a standard weapon, whereas the P90 is head and shoulders above other SMGs, but its an unlock.
Whats the mentality here? Or is it just a bunch of pre pubescent fools trying to appear as tough guys?
PS Argument C is just stupid. Of course if someone has played the game more than you theyll have access to more stuff ffs
G36E is the worst n0000000000oo00o0o0o0ob weapon there is!
It takes no skill when you're using that. It noobish to use it IMO
It takes no skill when you're using that. It noobish to use it IMO
...Right.power9787 wrote:
bullshit, people should be able to use unlocks, because they earned it
plus unlocks should be 2x better standard weapon, noy specialized or crappier
people who have crappy GPU have crappy accuracy due graphics, so unlock compensated for that
i have used g36e and shot a stationary target from 50m away, took me 20rounds, because of my graphics was so crappy
it's about skill and GPU
I hope you're kidding. Unless your graphics card is made of plywood and you run your game at 16x12 pixels, that's ridiculous.
I don't really get it when people say the G36E is a n00b gun. Each weapon has it's weak point, and you just need to exploit that.
For example, a 36E user starts shooting at me from 30m, and I have the M11-87 out. What do I do? Step around a corner, and wait for him to follow. The 36E may be good, but at a range of 2m, the pump shotty wins 10 times out of 10.
The bitching about it comes from the idiots who go charging down the main strip in Karkand, then get sniped by it. If you plan your movements based on your gun and your enimies guns, it isn't a problem.
For example, a 36E user starts shooting at me from 30m, and I have the M11-87 out. What do I do? Step around a corner, and wait for him to follow. The 36E may be good, but at a range of 2m, the pump shotty wins 10 times out of 10.
The bitching about it comes from the idiots who go charging down the main strip in Karkand, then get sniped by it. If you plan your movements based on your gun and your enimies guns, it isn't a problem.
True True my friend. I always believed that in any fps game there ARE always pros and cons with any gun, even with the so called "noob" g36E. You just have to learn to adapt and once you adapt you will survive. And yes super dragon, M11-87 > G36E in karkand as most of them g36e only know how to prone and squeeze the trigger Personally i believe in Bf2 there is no Noob gun there are only noob players who whine. Be creative and find/learn out there are limits to all weapons and then-dominate. btw only time i really can't figure the weakness of any weapon is the J-10 Fighter and the awp in cs/s .Sup3r_Dr4gon wrote:
I don't really get it when people say the G36E is a n00b gun. Each weapon has it's weak point, and you just need to exploit that.
For example, a 36E user starts shooting at me from 30m, and I have the M11-87 out. What do I do? Step around a corner, and wait for him to follow. The 36E may be good, but at a range of 2m, the pump shotty wins 10 times out of 10.
The bitching about it comes from the idiots who go charging down the main strip in Karkand, then get sniped by it. If you plan your movements based on your gun and your enimies guns, it isn't a problem.
Quite frankly, if there weren't unlocks in the game - people would be screaming out for new guns (like we have for people wanting pistol unlocks). We'd only see a load of topics wanting new weapons to use.
You cannot win either way - unlocks or not.
Look at CSS. AK, M16 and AWP. What a selection of weapons there that people use.
Look at the variety used in BF2 and you tell me that that is not part of what keeps the game going.
If you have the choice, then make the choice and use whatever bloody gun you want to use. Unless we want another "ROE-Nazi Movement" telling us that we cannot use a specific gun because some players regard it as "unfair", then stfu and accept the game how it is. I.e. you have a choice
You cannot win either way - unlocks or not.
Look at CSS. AK, M16 and AWP. What a selection of weapons there that people use.
Look at the variety used in BF2 and you tell me that that is not part of what keeps the game going.
If you have the choice, then make the choice and use whatever bloody gun you want to use. Unless we want another "ROE-Nazi Movement" telling us that we cannot use a specific gun because some players regard it as "unfair", then stfu and accept the game how it is. I.e. you have a choice
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Its ironic really that the competitive players from CAL etc, have to use a mod (BF2Pro) to increase there accuracy... and then have the nerve to complain about people using a more (supposedly) accurate gun in a Pub game.Mr.Casual wrote:
While it is true that competitive players started the default trend, it is not true that the unlocks are harder to use. If I went around with a G36E instead of a ak or 16 i would prob kill 2x as many as i do now because of the G36E's lack of recoil.Jemme101 wrote:
A minority within the competitive community feels the need to piss on everybody who does not play compo's/ladders/leagues. They always use the argument that they are the best of the best because they use the default armory and in pubs people dont.
On average the defaults are the better choice and the Unlocks dont give any advantage at all. In fact the Unlocks are harder to use.
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