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2007-03-23 11:45:55
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6954|South Florida
I just got done watching a few video's of actual fox news reports on UFO's and Mexico's gov. (was back in 2004) releasing footage and explaination that they saw UFO's. Also in the video they had some people who say the American government is lieing to america and other countries in the world are getting mad and want to be able to release the information to the people of earth. Almost like America putting pressure on the rest of the world to not release info about aliens.
Anyways.

Im not sure what i should believe. I DO believe for a fact, that there IS other life in the Universe. It's so selfish to think that we're the only ones in space. But, are they visiting our planet? Maybe. Im 50/50 on it. The fun side of me wants to believe that the Gov is hiding tons of information, but the serious side of me thinks that would be unlikely.

But, i can TOTALY see it happening. Considering we couldnt have a clue how much the gov hides from us.
Now, Here's 3 scenarios i can see...

1. The USA has secret information about UFO's coming to earth, and they've confirmed that they are from another planet, but the they don't know anything else... Thats scary. Are they hostile? Are they friendly? WTF are they doing here... Those would be questions raised by Citizens if the info was to be released.

2. The USA has secret information about UFO's coming to earth, and they have recovered reckage and/or bodies from the ships. Or even more, they have been in contact with us, possibly sharing information about worlds.

3. Its all just a big theory and theres never been aliens here.

Now. Why wouldn't the government tell the people... Well Here's my answers.

A. Religion. It would be the fall of religion (personally i cant wait) right? People would say "omg do aliens go to hell or heaven?? Do they believe in god??" And Religion could be the single largest reason the government wouldn't reveal such information

B. It would cause riots, killing, global depression/being scared.

Now this pisses me off, i would be scared too if i heard we were in contact with aliens, but its the fucking immature fools around the world that make it impossible to release life changing information to the public.

Now, im not even going to ask for oppinions on the following statement, because disbelieving it is so unbelievably stupid and close minded, that i dont even want to hear from you.

'There is other life in the universe, somewhere'

That FACT being stated,

Do you believe aliens have reached this earth.
If so, do you think the government should release this kind of info.
How would you handle learning that other intellegent life has contacted us. Would you embrase it and encourage this contact or what?

I swear im gunna join the CIA so i can learn the truth about this kinda stuff, i dont want everyone knowing, just me.

Last edited by Dezerteagal5 (2007-03-23 11:47:03)

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2007-03-23 11:50:01
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|7176|The United Center
Like you said, the fun side of me wants to say yes, they are visiting Earth.

...but, again like you said, it's extremely unlikely.  Although I believe there is life in the universe other than that on Earth, and there is much evidence that extraterrestrials do visit Earth, I doubt we're in contact with them.  I think there are a lot of unknowns here.
2007-03-23 11:51:07
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6874|The Land of Scott Walker
I think it's likely there's other life in the universe.  Would it bother contacting us?  I doubt it.  If the government knew should they release the info?  No. As you said in your post.  Would I embrace the news that intelligent life has contacted us?  Sure, I'd be fascinated to see their technology as it is probably much more advanced then ours if they're cruising around the universe.
2007-03-23 11:58:22
topal63
. . .
+533|7147

Stingray24 wrote:

I think it's likely there's other life in the universe.  Would it bother contacting us?  I doubt it.  If the government knew should they release the info?  No. As you said in your post.  Would I embrace the news that intelligent life has contacted us?  Sure, I'd be fascinated to see their technology as it is probably much more advanced then ours if they're cruising around the universe.
Not only that...

But there are a lot of known(s) as well... like spacial distances; and that it would be like searching for a toothpick in haystack, in which there might not be a toothpick (them looking for us). And then (them) committing (their) Alien resources and lives to 1,000-1,000,000 year journeys based upon a weak guess.

I mean just look at a picture of Galaxy (anyone) and then pick out which Star you want to explore,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy
... nothing living might be what exists in that star-sytem.

Last edited by topal63 (2007-03-23 12:09:45)

2007-03-23 12:07:39
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6954|South Florida
I think the biggest negative is the sheer distance! I love astrophysics, and i know that traveling just to the nearest star at nearly the speed of light would take millions of years. If the speed of light is truely the limit of speed then we are boned. But, as current technology is, it would take 1 billion gallons of fuel to move 1 pound (im almost sure its a pound) at nearly the speed of light. Therefore its impossible with current technology to reach speeds nearing that of light. This is fact. Cant find sources but i saw it on discovery
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2007-03-23 12:09:26
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6954|South Florida

topal63 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

I think it's likely there's other life in the universe.  Would it bother contacting us?  I doubt it.  If the government knew should they release the info?  No. As you said in your post.  Would I embrace the news that intelligent life has contacted us?  Sure, I'd be fascinated to see their technology as it is probably much more advanced then ours if they're cruising around the universe.
Not only that...

But there are a lot of known(s) as well... like spacial distances; and that it would be like searching for a toothpick in haystack, in which there might not be a toothpick (them looking for us). And then (them) committing (their) Alien resources and lives to 1,000-1,000,000 year journeys based upon a weak guess.

I mean just look at a picture of Galaxy (anyone) and then pick out which Star to want to explore,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy
Nothing living might exist in that star-sytem.
ahh yes, but there are billions of galaxies in the universe, they've proven life is very strong and all it takes is warmth, water, and a few other key things, which if 2/3 of earth is water, then there may be planets completely covered in water, and things living it it.
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2007-03-23 12:13:03
too_money2007
Member
+145|6737|Keller, Tx
Aliens would be cool. More than likely, they'd be more scared of us, as we're a pretty stupid species. Someone somewhere would start with the aliens if they came down, only for it to end in our death.

I believe aliens exist, they have to. I mean, if bacteria exists elsewhere just our solar system, bacteria or some other form of single celled life on a remote planet 2,303,203,000,000 light years from here has probably evolved into something. There are 80 million million million stars in the universe. There's bound to be something out there. Even if there isn't something now, there has been in the 13 billion years that the universe has existed.
2007-03-23 12:18:00
too_money2007
Member
+145|6737|Keller, Tx
Also, I was watching this special on Star Trek technology. They were talking about how faster than light speed may be possible due to not moving the vessel at those speeds, but altering the space/time in front and behind the vessel and moving within it.

Pretty cool shit.

They also have transported light. Like, in transporters. They say they've gotten half way, but to transport a person, you wouldn't really be transported. A device would copy everything about you and remake you at another position, and then the original would be destroyed. So, you'd technically be killing yourself every time you're trasnported. But, since you're killing yourself, your copy would live on and, technically, you'd be dead.
2007-03-23 12:19:03
topal63
. . .
+533|7147

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

topal63 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

I think it's likely there's other life in the universe.  Would it bother contacting us?  I doubt it.  If the government knew should they release the info?  No. As you said in your post.  Would I embrace the news that intelligent life has contacted us?  Sure, I'd be fascinated to see their technology as it is probably much more advanced then ours if they're cruising around the universe.
Not only that...

But there are a lot of known(s) as well... like spacial distances; and that it would be like searching for a toothpick in haystack, in which there might not be a toothpick (them looking for us). And then (them) committing (their) Alien resources and lives to 1,000-1,000,000 year journeys based upon a weak guess.

I mean just look at a picture of Galaxy (anyone) and then pick out which Star to want to explore,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy
Nothing living might exist in that star-sytem.
ahh yes, but there are billions of galaxies in the universe, they've proven life is very strong and all it takes is warmth, water, and a few other key things, which if 2/3 of earth is water, then there may be planets completely covered in water, and things living it it.
It's still a shot in the dark, check SETI's results, a systematic search for a signal, none so far.

And if SETI found a signal that appeared to be not-a-natural occurrence; it could find this signal at a distance that simply cannot be traversed now, or even in the distant future. So embracing that Alien culture probably wouldn’t happen irregardless of knowledge of them.

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2007-03-23 12:22:59
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7186|Argentina
Do aliens exist?  Yes
Did aliens reach the Earth?  No way
2007-03-23 12:23:41
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6954|South Florida

topal63 wrote:

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

topal63 wrote:


Not only that...

But there are a lot of known(s) as well... like spacial distances; and that it would be like searching for a toothpick in haystack, in which there might not be a toothpick (them looking for us). And then (them) committing (their) Alien resources and lives to 1,000-1,000,000 year journeys based upon a weak guess.

I mean just look at a picture of Galaxy (anyone) and then pick out which Star to want to explore,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy
Nothing living might exist in that star-sytem.
ahh yes, but there are billions of galaxies in the universe, they've proven life is very strong and all it takes is warmth, water, and a few other key things, which if 2/3 of earth is water, then there may be planets completely covered in water, and things living it it.
It's still a shot in the dark, check SETI's results, a systematic search for a signal, none so far.

And if SETI found a signal that appeared to be not-a-natural occurrence; it could find this signal at a distance that simply cannot be traversed now, or even in the distant future. So embracing that Alien culture probably wouldn’t happen irregardless of knowledge of them.
true, im not saying we can or cant find life, im saying there is life out there because, its like planting a tree seed every inch across the whole planet, 1 of them is gunna grow, now times that planet by billions and then by billions again, thats how many chances for life there are in the uni.
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2007-03-23 12:24:17
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|7176|The United Center

too_money2007 wrote:

Also, I was watching this special on Star Trek technology. They were talking about how faster than light speed may be possible due to not moving the vessel at those speeds, but altering the space/time in front and behind the vessel and moving within it.

Pretty cool shit.

They also have transported light. Like, in transporters. They say they've gotten half way, but to transport a person, you wouldn't really be transported. A device would copy everything about you and remake you at another position, and then the original would be destroyed. So, you'd technically be killing yourself every time you're trasnported. But, since you're killing yourself, your copy would live on and, technically, you'd be dead.
One of the problems I have with human teleportation is the transferring of a person's memories and personality.  Since these things aren't physical constructions in the body, and although the person may come out the other end being physically identical to the person who went in, he/she may not have any recollection of who he is, may act entirely different, and things of that sort.
2007-03-23 12:26:44
too_money2007
Member
+145|6737|Keller, Tx

ThomasMorgan wrote:

too_money2007 wrote:

Also, I was watching this special on Star Trek technology. They were talking about how faster than light speed may be possible due to not moving the vessel at those speeds, but altering the space/time in front and behind the vessel and moving within it.

Pretty cool shit.

They also have transported light. Like, in transporters. They say they've gotten half way, but to transport a person, you wouldn't really be transported. A device would copy everything about you and remake you at another position, and then the original would be destroyed. So, you'd technically be killing yourself every time you're transported. But, since you're killing yourself, your copy would live on and, technically, you'd be dead.
One of the problems I have with human teleportation is the transferring of a person's memories and personality.  Since these things aren't physical constructions in the body, and although the person may come out the other end being physically identical to the person who went in, he/she may not have any recollection of who he is, may act entirely different, and things of that sort.
You worded what I was thinking better than I could. It's the same thing as having amnesia. You're you, but you aren't at the same time. We are our memories.
2007-03-23 12:29:43
too_money2007
Member
+145|6737|Keller, Tx
I used to be addicted to aliens, space, and all that shit, but gave up after I learned the distances involved and that within my lifetime, nothing would ever happen. Our time here isn't even a pre-thought of a thought of a blip. Life sucks.
2007-03-23 12:30:39
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6997|Mountains of NC

first thing that popped in my mind
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2007-03-23 12:36:16
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7165|Salt Lake City

ThomasMorgan wrote:

too_money2007 wrote:

Also, I was watching this special on Star Trek technology. They were talking about how faster than light speed may be possible due to not moving the vessel at those speeds, but altering the space/time in front and behind the vessel and moving within it.

Pretty cool shit.

They also have transported light. Like, in transporters. They say they've gotten half way, but to transport a person, you wouldn't really be transported. A device would copy everything about you and remake you at another position, and then the original would be destroyed. So, you'd technically be killing yourself every time you're trasnported. But, since you're killing yourself, your copy would live on and, technically, you'd be dead.
One of the problems I have with human teleportation is the transferring of a person's memories and personality.  Since these things aren't physical constructions in the body, and although the person may come out the other end being physically identical to the person who went in, he/she may not have any recollection of who he is, may act entirely different, and things of that sort.
I don't know.  I would think it would all remain in tact, and here's why.  A person's personality is comprised of memories, past experience, and ones own idea.  Now as for memories not being physical, I would say they are.  Memories and whatnot are basically just chemical reactions within the brain.  Assuming all things were duplicated exactly, those chemical components of memory should be there as well.
2007-03-23 12:38:56
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|7176|The United Center

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

too_money2007 wrote:

Also, I was watching this special on Star Trek technology. They were talking about how faster than light speed may be possible due to not moving the vessel at those speeds, but altering the space/time in front and behind the vessel and moving within it.

Pretty cool shit.

They also have transported light. Like, in transporters. They say they've gotten half way, but to transport a person, you wouldn't really be transported. A device would copy everything about you and remake you at another position, and then the original would be destroyed. So, you'd technically be killing yourself every time you're trasnported. But, since you're killing yourself, your copy would live on and, technically, you'd be dead.
One of the problems I have with human teleportation is the transferring of a person's memories and personality.  Since these things aren't physical constructions in the body, and although the person may come out the other end being physically identical to the person who went in, he/she may not have any recollection of who he is, may act entirely different, and things of that sort.
I don't know.  I would think it would all remain in tact, and here's why.  A person's personality is comprised of memories, past experience, and ones own idea.  Now as for memories not being physical, I would say they are.  Memories and whatnot are basically just chemical reactions within the brain.  Assuming all things were duplicated exactly, those chemical components of memory should be there as well.
Would memories and personality traits not be attributed to electrical signals in the brain?
2007-03-23 12:42:57
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7165|Salt Lake City

ThomasMorgan wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:


One of the problems I have with human teleportation is the transferring of a person's memories and personality.  Since these things aren't physical constructions in the body, and although the person may come out the other end being physically identical to the person who went in, he/she may not have any recollection of who he is, may act entirely different, and things of that sort.
I don't know.  I would think it would all remain in tact, and here's why.  A person's personality is comprised of memories, past experience, and ones own idea.  Now as for memories not being physical, I would say they are.  Memories and whatnot are basically just chemical reactions within the brain.  Assuming all things were duplicated exactly, those chemical components of memory should be there as well.
Would memories and personality traits not be attributed to electrical signals in the brain?
My understanding is that is how communication within the brain and to the rest of our body works, but long term storage is a chemical action.
2007-03-23 12:43:05
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6719|Éire
If Aliens were out there and were advanced enough to make it to Earth I don't think it would neccessarily be a good thing for us. To make it here they would be far, far superior to us intellectually and technologically, we would be mere savages to them and the history on this planet of 'more advanced' people's treatment of 'less advanced' people is not good. Look what we did to the American Indians, the Aborigines, our treatment of animals and so on (not that I'm equating the former with the latter but they were perceived as 'savages' by the foreign invaders). What is there to suggest Aliens would not do the same? We would have nothing to offer a more advanced species.

I believe Steven Hawking has expressed this opinion before if I'm not mistaken.
2007-03-23 12:45:09
too_money2007
Member
+145|6737|Keller, Tx

Braddock wrote:

If Aliens were out there and were advanced enough to make it to Earth I don't think it would neccessarily be a good thing for us. To make it here they would be far, far superior to us intellectually and technologically, we would be mere savages to them and the history on this planet of 'more advanced' people's treatment of 'less advanced' people is not good. Look what we did to the American Indians, the Aborigines, our treatment of animals and so on (not that I'm equating the former with the latter but they were perceived as 'savages' by the foreign invaders). What is there to suggest Aliens would not do the same? We would have nothing to offer a more advanced species.

I believe Steven Hawking has expressed this opinion before if I'm not mistaken.
I'm sure we've fucked the planet up enough so that aliens wouldn't want to come take it from us. But, then again, they probably have a special juice that could solve all our pollutions and such.
2007-03-23 12:47:06
apollo_fi
The Flying Kalakukko.
+94|6959|The lunar module

too_money2007 wrote:

I used to be addicted to aliens, space, and all that shit, but gave up after I learned the distances involved and that within my lifetime, nothing would ever happen. Our time here isn't even a pre-thought of a thought of a blip. Life sucks.
Chin up, young man...

Of the 'aliens, space and all that shit', 'space' actually might happen in your lifetime. As a card-carrying astro-nut, I'm rather thrilled about the birth of the private space tourism industry.

There's no way I'm going to afford a seat on the Virgin Galactic flights if/when they start operations. I know that. But thanks to capitalism and the principles of competition embedded therein (and yes, saying this pains me greatly ), I feel that there's a remote chance that prices will come down enough, for me to take a ride in a spacecraft in my retirement years.

That's quite something to look for, even in the nanoblip of time we have here. Aliens, bah, who needs 'em?
2007-03-23 12:47:24
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
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Braddock wrote:

If Aliens were out there and were advanced enough to make it to Earth I don't think it would neccessarily be a good thing for us. To make it here they would be far, far superior to us intellectually and technologically, we would be mere savages to them and the history on this planet of 'more advanced' people's treatment of 'less advanced' people is not good. Look what we did to the American Indians, the Aborigines, our treatment of animals and so on (not that I'm equating the former with the latter but they were perceived as 'savages' by the foreign invaders). What is there to suggest Aliens would not do the same? We would have nothing to offer a more advanced species.

I believe Steven Hawking has expressed this opinion before if I'm not mistaken.
Maybe, but for all we know we are their ant farm, or some science project they started.
2007-03-23 12:49:37
topal63
. . .
+533|7147

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Braddock wrote:

If Aliens were out there and were advanced enough to make it to Earth I don't think it would neccessarily be a good thing for us. To make it here they would be far, far superior to us intellectually and technologically, we would be mere savages to them and the history on this planet of 'more advanced' people's treatment of 'less advanced' people is not good. Look what we did to the American Indians, the Aborigines, our treatment of animals and so on (not that I'm equating the former with the latter but they were perceived as 'savages' by the foreign invaders). What is there to suggest Aliens would not do the same? We would have nothing to offer a more advanced species.

I believe Steven Hawking has expressed this opinion before if I'm not mistaken.
Maybe, but for all we know we are their ant farm, or some science project they started.
Or the opposite... the Universe is devoid of life; excepting here; and we are supposed to spread the seed of life; make the ant-farms.
2007-03-23 12:52:21
too_money2007
Member
+145|6737|Keller, Tx

topal63 wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Braddock wrote:

If Aliens were out there and were advanced enough to make it to Earth I don't think it would neccessarily be a good thing for us. To make it here they would be far, far superior to us intellectually and technologically, we would be mere savages to them and the history on this planet of 'more advanced' people's treatment of 'less advanced' people is not good. Look what we did to the American Indians, the Aborigines, our treatment of animals and so on (not that I'm equating the former with the latter but they were perceived as 'savages' by the foreign invaders). What is there to suggest Aliens would not do the same? We would have nothing to offer a more advanced species.

I believe Steven Hawking has expressed this opinion before if I'm not mistaken.
Maybe, but for all we know we are their ant farm, or some science project they started.
Or the opposite... the Universe is devoid of life; excepting here; and we are supposed to spread the seed of life; make the ant-farms.
In that case, us = fail

We can't populate the universe with the shit we get caught up in today. I don't see the future really getting to that point. I think a meteor will end it for us eventually anyways.
2007-03-23 12:56:32
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7165|Salt Lake City

topal63 wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Braddock wrote:

If Aliens were out there and were advanced enough to make it to Earth I don't think it would neccessarily be a good thing for us. To make it here they would be far, far superior to us intellectually and technologically, we would be mere savages to them and the history on this planet of 'more advanced' people's treatment of 'less advanced' people is not good. Look what we did to the American Indians, the Aborigines, our treatment of animals and so on (not that I'm equating the former with the latter but they were perceived as 'savages' by the foreign invaders). What is there to suggest Aliens would not do the same? We would have nothing to offer a more advanced species.

I believe Steven Hawking has expressed this opinion before if I'm not mistaken.
Maybe, but for all we know we are their ant farm, or some science project they started.
Or the opposite... the Universe is devoid of life; excepting here; and we are supposed to spread the seed of life; make the ant-farms.
I think that is the scariest idea/thought yet. 

 

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