BVC
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D&ST seems like the best place to get an overseas opinion...Will this stuff have the desired effect?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4000944a10.html

Immigrants to learn Kiwi values
By DAN EATON - The Press | Thursday, 22 March 2007

Immigrants will be taught New Zealand values under a Government plan to avoid the tensions and violence seen overseas between locals and newcomers.

Initiatives announced yesterday will target new migrants from Asia, the Pacific and the Middle East before they arrive, as well as those who have already settled.

Officials said the initiatives, jointly run by the ethnic affairs and social development ministries, were a direct response to a series of international events, including 2005 race riots in Sydney's Cronulla area and debate on the publication of cartoons portraying the Prophet Muhammad last year.

"To date, we have been well served by the Kiwi 'live and let live' attitude and the moderate nature of our minority communities," Ethnic Affairs Minister Chris Carter said.

"But the Government is concerned to ensure this remains the case as our society becomes more complex, and tensions flare elsewhere in the world."

A Muslim leader said he welcomed the education plan, as long as it did not evolve into a series of compulsory tests.

"I don't know what they are going to teach, but so long as it is treated as an educational thing for people it is a good idea," said Javed Khan, the president of the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand (Fianz).

"If they are sort of coming heavy-handed and saying you can't do this, you can't do that and they probe into religious and cultural things, then I think I would be concerned."

He said he had offered to involve Fianz in familiarisation programmes but had not received any invitations.

Officials have assessed more than 100 initiatives under way in New Zealand and overseas to explore how well they are enhancing understanding between different communities.

At 23 per cent, New Zealand has one of the highest rates of citizens born overseas in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

Several initiatives were announced yesterday.

They include increasing and improving pre-arrival information about living in New Zealand and the rights and responsibilities of residents and citizens.

The Department of Labour is developing written material that will be distributed to temporary and permanent migrants.

It is also running seminars in a number of Pacific countries.

Another measure involves developing programmes that increase the understanding among migrants and refugees about New Zealand's heritage areas and conservation values.

The Department of Conservation is working with a Chinese educational trust to hold regular activities for Chinese immigrants focused on history, Maori culture and the environment.

The programme will be adapted for other communities.

Public-sector training programmes are also being run to improve communication with ethnic communities.

Work has also begun on a "national statement on religious diversity", with the goal of promoting interfaith understanding, led by the Ministry of Social Development.

It is expected that a draft will be unveiled at the third Asia-Pacific Regional Interfaith Dialogue in May, to be held at Waitangi and attended by religious leaders from dozens of countries.

"A sense of inclusiveness and an acceptance of difference has always been a part of New Zealand's national identity," Social Development Minister David Benson-Pope said.

"The programme will help ensure the Government's efforts to underpin this aspect of our national character are better co-ordinated and effective."

Migration data released this week by Statistics New Zealand showed the Philippines has become the second-largest source of net long-term arrivals, increasing from an inflow of 500 in 2005 to 2600 in the year to February.
Magpie
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I thought NZ was the calmest place were nobody gave a shit about race?
UGADawgs
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What's the big deal about this? It only seems logical that New Zealand would want to make sure that its new citizens can understand the culture of New Zealand.
blisteringsilence
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UGADawgs wrote:

What's the big deal about this? It only seems logical that New Zealand would want to make sure that its new citizens can understand the culture of New Zealand.
Can you imagine the outcry if the United States tried to do this? I don't even know what we'd be accused of. Other than racism, that's just a given.
Scorpion0x17
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Only quickly scanned the OP, but from that, the UK government wants to do very similar things...
Exxorcism
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Magpie wrote:

I thought NZ was the calmest place were nobody gave a shit about race?
Indeed, it was the hobbit land for some years (when they filmed the LOTR).
Turquoise
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blisteringsilence wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

What's the big deal about this? It only seems logical that New Zealand would want to make sure that its new citizens can understand the culture of New Zealand.
Can you imagine the outcry if the United States tried to do this? I don't even know what we'd be accused of. Other than racism, that's just a given.
good point...  This is why the race card is often bullshit.
Liberal-Sl@yer
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Turquoise wrote:

blisteringsilence wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

What's the big deal about this? It only seems logical that New Zealand would want to make sure that its new citizens can understand the culture of New Zealand.
Can you imagine the outcry if the United States tried to do this? I don't even know what we'd be accused of. Other than racism, that's just a given.
good point...  This is why the race card is often bullshit.
QFE. SOMETIMES the race card can be used, but most of the time it is used without proper cause.
VinghNigh
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blisteringsilence wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

What's the big deal about this? It only seems logical that New Zealand would want to make sure that its new citizens can understand the culture of New Zealand.
Can you imagine the outcry if the United States tried to do this? I don't even know what we'd be accused of. Other than racism, that's just a given.
You're right.

The United States just tries to impose it's values on the rest of the world instead.
Turquoise
O Canada
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VinghNigh wrote:

blisteringsilence wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

What's the big deal about this? It only seems logical that New Zealand would want to make sure that its new citizens can understand the culture of New Zealand.
Can you imagine the outcry if the United States tried to do this? I don't even know what we'd be accused of. Other than racism, that's just a given.
You're right.

The United States just tries to impose it's values on the rest of the world instead.
good point....
Liberal-Sl@yer
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VinghNigh wrote:

blisteringsilence wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

What's the big deal about this? It only seems logical that New Zealand would want to make sure that its new citizens can understand the culture of New Zealand.
Can you imagine the outcry if the United States tried to do this? I don't even know what we'd be accused of. Other than racism, that's just a given.
You're right.

The United States just tries to impose it's values on the rest of the world instead.
The US needs to focus in and fix OUR problems before we muck up the world. Instead of show boating our morals we should look at ourselfs and realise we dont even follow them. A new age of self (by that i mean national) idealization needs to take hold in america before we can do what we want to do global.
Turquoise
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I agree Slayer.
Liberal-Sl@yer
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Turquoise wrote:

I agree Slayer.
Wow thats a first

Last edited by Liberal-Sl@yer (2007-03-21 19:49:07)

VinghNigh
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Glad to hear you guys agree   I was half-expecting a torrent of abuse and patriotic rhetoric

Last edited by VinghNigh (2007-03-21 19:24:58)

BVC
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Race isn't so much of an issue here though there are some people for whom its a big thing, like anywhere.  The real issue is of culture, but race and culture are often intertwined hence why it seems to be a racial issue; areas which are culturally dissimilar to NZ are the targets.

Our population growth is now fuelled almost exclusively by immigration, and while a good number of immigrants come from areas with similar values & culture to NZ, theres a growing immigrant population who don't, and sometimes have trouble adapting.  Its mostly benign stuff, but occasionally you get a person or group of people who, simply put, are used to a more brutal way of life.  More immigration means more of this, and after the Aussie riots a few people have been thinking "thats a little too close to home, could it happen here?"

*/tangent*

Will it work?
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
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Pubic wrote:

Race isn't so much of an issue here though there are some people for whom its a big thing, like anywhere.  The real issue is of culture, but race and culture are often intertwined hence why it seems to be a racial issue; areas which are culturally dissimilar to NZ are the targets.

Our population growth is now fuelled almost exclusively by immigration, and while a good number of immigrants come from areas with similar values & culture to NZ, theres a growing immigrant population who don't, and sometimes have trouble adapting.  Its mostly benign stuff, but occasionally you get a person or group of people who, simply put, are used to a more brutal way of life.  More immigration means more of this, and after the Aussie riots a few people have been thinking "thats a little too close to home, could it happen here?"

*/tangent*

Will it work?
Maybe. The real question is, do you want it to work?

I don't know if this is too american of me, but I see the value some aspects of cultures that are brought to my country. For example, I have in the past travelled to Morocco. Without a doubt my favorite country in Africa. I had a wonderful time there, loved the openness and hospitality of their culture. When a moroccan restaurant opened in the town my parents live in, I went there the first opportunity I had. It was like being transported back there. The same warm, inviting atmosphere, great food, and a change of pace from my hectic life. I could talk with the proprietor, and discuss issues that were relevant to him (something he assured me most patrons were unable to do).

I like the differences in culture. Really, I think that's what makes this country so unique. We're all immigrants to some extent, and we all have things to offer. It's the old melting pot vs. salad bowl argument, but I think it works. There are cool things about chinatown in San Fran, about jamaciatown in NYC, about little havanna in Miami. I don't want those people homogonized.

That being said, it's possible to embrace your differences without imposing on others. That's the line that must be struck, and it's a tall order.

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