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lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Good points, but Louisiana just seems like the retard state compared to the responses of other states during natural disasters.  Florida, North Carolina, Texas, and Mississippi all seemed to deal with emergencies in far better ways in their most recent natural disasters.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, It boogles the mind as to why that is....

Well, Blanco and Nagin do seem like certified morons, if that's what you're alluding to.

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Good points, but Louisiana just seems like the retard state compared to the responses of other states during natural disasters.  Florida, North Carolina, Texas, and Mississippi all seemed to deal with emergencies in far better ways in their most recent natural disasters.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, It boogles the mind as to why that is....

Well, Blanco and Nagin do seem like certified morons, if that's what you're alluding to.

Sure, them to

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Good points, but Louisiana just seems like the retard state compared to the responses of other states during natural disasters.  Florida, North Carolina, Texas, and Mississippi all seemed to deal with emergencies in far better ways in their most recent natural disasters.

Yes many forget, although not below sea level we got hit by 4 hurricanes that year and surprisingly no looting/blame. Jeb was was always on the ball with that.

I've never liked Jeb, but he has done a better job than Blanco at least.

Why? Floridians do for the most part. Even Democrats grade him well. He might be the exact opposite of his brother. He speaks clearly for one...lol. He would give us updates personally every four hours in English, then he would switch and say it in Spanish (He is Fluent).

New Orleans is turning out to be an interesting experiment. The same local government that almost quietly accepted national scapegoating for the entirety of the Katrina fuckups is now almost as quietly making sure those same people derided as stupid/criminal for staying have to GTFO of New Orleans. People evacuated to other states mostly can't afford to get back home, even if they could their homes have likely been torn down. Nagin himself says he only wants people back "who can and will work"; in other words if you're elderly or disabled you can fuck off. People who are still there are being forcibly prevented from entering and rehabilitating their own homes by NOLA's HUD, which is demanding they be demolished ASAP. Insurance companies are refusing to insure new construction unless the levees are reinforced enough to withstand a Cat 5 storm but of course nobody is even trying to get that done. Me, I'd bet my last nickel that the moment New Orleans has cleared out enough prime real estate those levees will get the funding and work they need just in time for the developers to start building the new "market driven" New Orleans. I will agree with ATG that when it comes to disasters like this, you're definitley on your own, but the looters you need to worry about aren't people living in your own community. They're the ones that'll "evacuate" you to the other side of the country and then figure out how much profit they can make on what you used to call home.

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I've never liked Jeb, but he has done a better job than Blanco at least.

Why? Floridians do for the most part. Even Democrats grade him well. He might be the exact opposite of his brother. He speaks clearly for one...lol. He would give us updates personally every four hours in English, then he would switch and say it in Spanish (He is Fluent).

Let's just say I think he did some shady things during the 2000 election.

Show me evidence and I will entertain that thought. I don't know if you are aware of this but there has been numerous recount/studies long after the media lost interest. There is controversy but none of them have any weight regarding the Governors actions.

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Let's just say I think he did some shady things during the 2000 election.

Show me evidence and I will entertain that thought. I don't know if you are aware of this but there has been numerous recount/studies long after the media lost interest. There is controversy but none of them have any weight regarding the Governors actions.

Wasn't Katherine Harris subject to the Governor?...

Guilty by association? That is not evidence.

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Wasn't Katherine Harris subject to the Governor?...

Guilty by association? That is not evidence.

True... but there's also the fact that his brother was running for president.  While I realize it's perfectly legal for someone to run as president while one of his/her relatives is governor, I can't help but suspect foul play -- especially with the vote being so close.

There's also the Diebold issue: with so many Diebold voting machines out there, it seems shady that Diebold's CEO was a significant contributor to Bush's campaign in 2000.

and you must be going on the assumption that Diebold had prior knowledge as to how close the election was going to be and therefore pre-rigged the machines months in advance.

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Wasn't Katherine Harris subject to the Governor?...

Guilty by association? That is not evidence.

True... but there's also the fact that his brother was running for president.  While I realize it's perfectly legal for someone to run as president while one of his/her relatives is governor, I can't help but suspect foul play -- especially with the vote being so close.

There's also the Diebold issue: with so many Diebold voting machines out there, it seems shady that Diebold's CEO was a significant contributor to Bush's campaign in 2000.

That is the controversy I was speaking of. There has never been anything more than suspicion because he was his brother. I guess you have to have been in Florida all the years Jeb ran it. I am critical of Gdub but his brother appears to have much more integrity.

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

True... but there's also the fact that his brother was running for president.  While I realize it's perfectly legal for someone to run as president while one of his/her relatives is governor, I can't help but suspect foul play -- especially with the vote being so close.

There's also the Diebold issue: with so many Diebold voting machines out there, it seems shady that Diebold's CEO was a significant contributor to Bush's campaign in 2000.

and you must be going on the assumption that Diebold had prior knowledge as to how close the election was going to be and therefore pre-rigged the machines months in advance.

Nope...  I'm suggesting that it's easy to rig recounts.

I'll admit; I'm very distrustful of government and people in general.  It seems that, more often than not, "it's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes."

Only when it is spun that way by the press. for a sensational story.

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Nope...  I'm suggesting that it's easy to rig recounts.

I'll admit; I'm very distrustful of government and people in general.  It seems that, more often than not, "it's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes."

Only when it is spun that way by the press. for a sensational story.

I'd actually argue democracies are most commonly corrupted that way.  It's even been verified to have happened a few times in America.

How we count votes and who counts them is very crucial....

I agree, but it seems only to be a national conspiracy issue when a democrat loses doesn't it?

GATOR591957 wrote:

Offer your solution.  After all it your parties mess we're trying to dig out of.  For the record I'm Independent.

Pug wrote:

Well, for starters, revolution is not the answer...

GATOR591957 wrote:

Can you elaborate?

GATOR591957 wrote:

I have two nephews that were putting blue plastic on roofs for two months.  Helping their neighbors.  They told me of a firehouse that lost their engine in the storm.  The Fed never sent them one.  They got one from another firehouse in the Mid West who gave them their old one. 

You will also see several trailers sitting outside of town waiting for occupants.  Did we all forget about that fiasco?

I guess my point here is this country ready for a revolution?  I agree with the description above on corporations.  It's time America stood up for what it was truly founded on.  For the people by the people.

I would think that bringing the negative to light would bring about changes in the future...where politicians are more sensitive to some of the issues in the OP.

Just because you don't agree with certain decisions doesn't mean the government made the wrong choice.  So your nephews' neighborhood didn't get their $150k emergency vehicle...it is convenient to ignore the multibillion dollar and decade-long rebuilding effort in that region to focus on the fire truck they didn't get.

I have faith they do pretty good most of the time.  So revolutions are bloody...that's my point.

I can discuss the other topics if you wish, as some of the reasons are beyond the government's control, do not represent the government breaking the law, represents the government respecting its own laws, or a tradeoff for the common good.

GATOR591957 wrote:

I wish I had your faith.  The corruption in this administration is getting to be too much.  Pick a department that has not or is not been being investigated.  How many people have to be fired until the man in charge is held accountable.  Imagine if you will, GW as the CEO of a company.  How long do you think he would retain his position until his golden parachute was deployed.  I hate to quote Donald Trump, however he's right when he said President Bush squandered the opportunity America had after 9/11. 

I look at everything that has gone down in the past 6 years and I am hard pressed to find another President that has even come close to the damage sustained so far by American people and the country itself.

It happens every four or eight years...that's the way it is.  Calling it corruption may be a little too far though, since we are really talking about unpopular decision making.

Bush has his criticisms as well as praise.  Clinton had his own criticisms and praise as well.  And you can follow it back throughout history...

There are options within Congress, and they could be executed.  But I don't think things are nearly as bad as you believe, nor do I think the damage is unrepairable.

For the record my vote in the last presidential election was the first time I've voted for the loser...and by loser I am not referring to "The Loser aka Bush"...