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Blame the guy who wrote the graphic novel that it was based on.

I liked it. The violence was a bit over-hyped and cartoony.


I give the four squirting stumps, or a torso with a head.


Besides, if I understand history correctly: the Persians dudes father was Darius who was defeated by Alexander the Grape Great. Darius was a Persian with a penchant for conquest and domination.

The Battle depicted in the Movie actually is documented in some histories to have actually happened.

Last edited by ATG (2007-03-18 11:48:48)

<SS>SonderKommando wrote:

Not to mention that the graphic novel was written well before the war in Iraq.

The graphic novel was also based on the film The 300 Spartans, which is full of propaganda about Greece being free and the Persians all being slaves - utter nonsense, but hey, it's Hollywood.

Don't have a go at 300 for the propaganda, it's all the fault of the original film.

Ah crap, I knew I should have researched before writing that.

You know what they say, cannabis fogs the brain.

Hollywood very rarely makes movies in support of the war in Iraq, so I strongly doubt that they are sending the message.  I saw a special on this on The Discovery Channel and the movie is very accurate with what happened.  If you hated that "messasge" you should have walked out for sure.  I'm guessing you must love anti-Bush stuff since you seem to be complaining about fighting for freedom messages in this movie...

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

I know that there are other topics about this movie.  But they all praised it.  I disliked it... a lot.

Personally, I thought it was shit, and I want my $8.50 back.

*kinda spoilers, but not really*

If you want to watch nationalistic propaganda hidden within violence, sex and nipples, I certainly would recommend this movie to you.  If not, stay clear.

Did no one else catch the blatant nationalistic bullshit in this movie?  Call me crazy, but the whole damn movie screamed it.  They even said "freedom is not free" and something about how it must be paid for in blood.  ffs.

The only plot that I could find hidden in the aforementioned characteristics, was a bunch of "heros" defending their homeland and their "freedom" from a bunch of Arabian-looking Persians lacking morals and freedom.  White heros defending their homeland and their freedom from Arabian warlords, does that ring any bells?  I've never felt inclined to leave a movie theater before, but I nearly got up and left.  The only thing that kept me in my seat was trouble that would be caused by walking in front of the gawking morons next to me and the slight chance of seeing more nipples.

Feel free to disagree, but that is the last time I will ever pay to watch propaganda.  Hurray war films with a hidden agenda, your filth has cost me eight dollars, fifty cents, and roughly two hours of my life.

Wow. Stfu.
You make a big deal out of nothing. You act as if "Fighting for homeland" and "Freedom costing blood" werent around before the War in Iraq?? Wtf are you smoking. No matter what logic you imply, freedom is never free, and you should always fight for your homeland.

win +1

Mr.Pieeater wrote:

Hollywood very rarely makes movies in support of the war in Iraq, so I strongly doubt that they are sending the message.  I saw a special on this on The Discovery Channel and the movie is very accurate with what happened.  If you hated that "messasge" you should have walked out for sure.  I'm guessing you must love anti-Bush stuff since you seem to be complaining about fighting for freedom messages in this movie...

It isn't very accurate from what I've heard.

I haven't seen the film yet, and I'm looking forward to it, but I hacve read the comics and seen the original 300 Spartans film it was based on. From that it is clear that the film isn't very accurate, especially as far as the themes of freedom are concerned. Slavery was rife in Greece and illegal in Persia (since the reign of Cyrus).

The whole freedom thing is just made up by Hollywood (not Frank Miller but Maté back in '62). It's been done time and time again.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-03-18 13:20:00)

vedds wrote:

You will see whatever subtext you are looking for.

Its a great story from antiquity, adapted for drama, if there were no hero/villain it would make for a shit story. Exactly the same goes for the story told from the Persian perspective, we are going out to kick the shit out of a numerically insignificant force, thats an engrossing subject for a feature film.

You tell me how you could make that movie  so its entertaining without having some crackpot conspiracy theorist be able to clutch at straws and find/manufacture the evil brainwashing if they look hard enough?

So commiechipmunk, I saw that you are quite good at scathing and patronising retorts that dont actually address the point, but im still waiting for you to answer this....

vedds wrote:

vedds wrote:

You will see whatever subtext you are looking for.

Its a great story from antiquity, adapted for drama, if there were no hero/villain it would make for a shit story. Exactly the same goes for the story told from the Persian perspective, we are going out to kick the shit out of a numerically insignificant force, thats an engrossing subject for a feature film.

You tell me how you could make that movie  so its entertaining without having some crackpot conspiracy theorist be able to clutch at straws and find/manufacture the evil brainwashing if they look hard enough?

So commiechipmunk, I saw that you are quite good at scathing and patronising retorts that dont actually address the point, but im still waiting for you to answer this....

The point is the made up themes of freedom and slavery are just untrue. The Persians could just as easily have been portrayed accurately and the story would have held up equally well.

Although I should stress that all of this leads back to the original 300 Spartans film which is what inspired Miller to write the comic adaptation that inspired this film. Blame cannot be placed on the producers of this film for producing propaganda/pandering to idiots.

You guys are going off on some tirade over a work of historically based fiction

Not to say the battle didn't happen, only to say thats parts of the movie were quite ficticious.

Last edited by r2zoo (2007-03-18 15:27:52)

vedds wrote:

vedds wrote:

You will see whatever subtext you are looking for.

Its a great story from antiquity, adapted for drama, if there were no hero/villain it would make for a shit story. Exactly the same goes for the story told from the Persian perspective, we are going out to kick the shit out of a numerically insignificant force, thats an engrossing subject for a feature film.

You tell me how you could make that movie  so its entertaining without having some crackpot conspiracy theorist be able to clutch at straws and find/manufacture the evil brainwashing if they look hard enough?

So commiechipmunk, I saw that you are quite good at scathing and patronising retorts that dont actually address the point, but im still waiting for you to answer this....

awesome, I was just pointing out something that I noticed.  I'm sure most of it was just because I was looking to deep into a movie obviously lacking any depth.

I never said anything about any conspiracy, because it's not a conspiracy, it's a known fact that the media/hollywood uses their popularity among the masses to construct a degree of control.

yes the film parallels most right wing ideology. yes the movie is full of gay imagery. but until somebody actually has information about the movies funding, or the individuals that made the movie, it would be very difficult for anybody here to make the argument that the movie was intended to be gay propaganda.

Damn people it's just a movie, a movie is a movie. If you don't like a movie you saw you don't have to tell the whole world. Plus the movie is telling a story about the Persian Empire trying to conquer Greece and Sparta along with allies of Greece trying to defend their country from invasion. Plus if you guys payed any attention in history class about Greek history this battle happened which was called the Battle of Thermopylae. The word Thermopylae in Greek means hot gates. If you've seen the movie, they say that in the movie like 3 times. Also when they said "Freedom isn't free, it must be paid for in blood" It's saying that freedom isn't free, they had to fight to earn that freedom. It's like saying you can't get grades you have to earn them by working a studying hard. And when CommieChipmunk said "Arabian-looking Persians" umm....dude the Persian Empire stretched from present day Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Iran and in Northern India. So pretty much most of the mid-east, that's why....so stupid. Also whoever said that they hated this movie "300", but saw the movie "Sin City" and liked it your friggin' ass. It's the same director and this is how this director does movies he's famous on doing realism and animation together in his movie. I still don't know why some people are comparing this movie to what is happening right now, this happened like 2,500 years just to let everybody know. Some of you guys should watch the youtube video that one person just posted up, learn some history.

"Objective" - ROFL!