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Quoted for truth and emphasis. As someone who takes pleasure in shooting down choppers with anything, a high target is a slow target, and a slow target is easy to hit. A low target is a fast target, and if you're dashing around at that level, nobody's gonna hit you, especially not from the top of a tank or hummer, or with a PKM.switchbladezz wrote:
WORST GUIDE EVER.
ive been in CAL as a heli guy multiple seasons. DONT LISTEN TO THIS NOOB. flying low is one of the most effective chopper to chopper tactics, this dude is just a pub nub who doesnt know whathes talkign about.
Well, keep in mind that many servers (not ours, btw) ban seat-switching in a copter and that EA considers it a game exploit, so you can't bad mouth said servers.
Beyond that, any capable gunner significantly enhances the efficacy of a copter, so you're already out of whack. Flying high is useful in some maps for copter to copter engagement, but many times flying high merely puts you in harm's way from jets.
I fly gunner a lot on my server as well as 702rcon and I can tell you that this guide will get you kicked on 702rcon...immediately.
Beyond that, any capable gunner significantly enhances the efficacy of a copter, so you're already out of whack. Flying high is useful in some maps for copter to copter engagement, but many times flying high merely puts you in harm's way from jets.
I fly gunner a lot on my server as well as 702rcon and I can tell you that this guide will get you kicked on 702rcon...immediately.
i have found that most gunners can decently do what you need them too, you both don't even need voip, just make sure you have it so you can tell him/her when you want them to use the TVNooBesT[FiN] wrote:
Wait, what? Never fly with gunner?
I'm not reading more.
Points? For what? What should I do with points? I'm playing for having fun, not for useless points. I am absolutly not interested in stats and points. I only care about my K/D ratio. Actually I don't even interested in my K/D, I just don't like to die, and stare at the spawnscreen. But staring at the spawnscreen is not a great fun, so I just try to stay alive as long as possible and have fun.Roomba wrote:
No gunner??????? Are you serious?? Why would you miss free points for driver kill assists?
(However let's see a short example if I would play for points: Let us suppose that I am flying with an average gunner. At the end of the round the gunner has ca. 25 frags and I have 5 frags. That makes 35 points(25 driver kill assist points plus 10 points for the 5 frags). After adding some kill damage assist points as well, let's say that I have 40 points altogether. On the other hand if I would fly solo - ceteris paribus/assuming that nothing else would change (i.e. the same enemy of the same skill-level) - I had at least 45-50 frags (90-100 points). Voilá I have more than double the points that I've get by flying with an average gunner. Besides the points I know I would be a much useful member of my team flying solo, than flying with an average gunner. Sorry, but it's not my fault that this is how things stand, it's rather the fault of the game. And I don't think I need to stress that, because everybody, who a good chopper flyer is, knows that. Because it's a FACT. Just like 1+1=2. )
Why would you get 25 more kills alone than your gunner would get if you flew with one?
Both of you couldn't be more wrong. Can't believe someone who says they play CAL would actually say that. What kind of TV evasion manuvuer are you going to do at low altitudes? Strafe side to side? Hide behind buildings? Come on...Skorpy-chan wrote:
Quoted for truth and emphasis. As someone who takes pleasure in shooting down choppers with anything, a high target is a slow target, and a slow target is easy to hit. A low target is a fast target, and if you're dashing around at that level, nobody's gonna hit you, especially not from the top of a tank or hummer, or with a PKM.switchbladezz wrote:
WORST GUIDE EVER.
ive been in CAL as a heli guy multiple seasons. DONT LISTEN TO THIS NOOB. flying low is one of the most effective chopper to chopper tactics, this dude is just a pub nub who doesnt know whathes talkign about.
If you had a gunner, you wouldn't need to evade.
Anyway, you're gambling the possible appearance of the enemy chopper against the mass amount of ground fire. What use is your TV missile if you've been plinked by the enemy AT from a hiding place?
Anyway, you're gambling the possible appearance of the enemy chopper against the mass amount of ground fire. What use is your TV missile if you've been plinked by the enemy AT from a hiding place?
I doubt they end up having to worry about the enemy choppers, as it probably stays down.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Both of you couldn't be more wrong. Can't believe someone who says they play CAL would actually say that. What kind of TV evasion manuvuer are you going to do at low altitudes? Strafe side to side? Hide behind buildings? Come on...Skorpy-chan wrote:
Quoted for truth and emphasis. As someone who takes pleasure in shooting down choppers with anything, a high target is a slow target, and a slow target is easy to hit. A low target is a fast target, and if you're dashing around at that level, nobody's gonna hit you, especially not from the top of a tank or hummer, or with a PKM.switchbladezz wrote:
WORST GUIDE EVER.
ive been in CAL as a heli guy multiple seasons. DONT LISTEN TO THIS NOOB. flying low is one of the most effective chopper to chopper tactics, this dude is just a pub nub who doesnt know whathes talkign about.
And strafing is more effective than I thought it would be, but it's still not as good as some other maneuvers.
Well, it's a bit complicate, therefore it's a little difficult to explain that, anyway I try my best:BlackKoala wrote:
Why would you get 25 more kills alone than your gunner would get if you flew with one?
If I fly alone, I fly high (much higher than if I fly with an average gunner*). If I fly high, I reduce the number of enemies, which are able to damage me, thus I get damaged more rarely. If I get damaged more rarely, I have to go to repair more rarely. If I have to go to repair more rarely, I can spend more time to kill enemy.
*Sure, if I would fly with an average gunner, I could fly just as high as alone, that's true. BUT: average gunners don't know where mobile-AA-s spawn, where AA-turrets are located, where enemy choppers will most likely come from. Basically they don't know the map at all. They don't know anything, that would be usefull for staying alive as long as possible. Sure, they can destroy a tank with a TV-missile(well, most of the time...). Well done! But actually who cares that? A tank doesn't mean a threat for our chopper if we fly high.
He'd better destroy mobile-AA-s, AA-turrets from hundreds of metres away, because these vehicles/guns do mean a threat for us, but he doesn't destroy them, because he doesn't even know, where they are. It would be his duty to eliminate these threats - after all, he is the gunner. As a pilot, I only can line him up perfectly for TV-shots, but if he doesn't shoot, I can't do anything. Yes, I know I have hellfire rockets. Fantastic! And what should I do with them? Remember: we are high in the air, hundreds of metres away from targets. I can't hit anything from that distance. I have to fly closer to the ground/to the targets to get in range/to became able to hit them.
But flying closer to the ground is the worst thing I can do. If I fly closer to the ground at one stroke every single enemy will became a real threat for our chopper. Tanks, FAV-s, DPV-s, APC-s, antitank soldiers, all will be able to shoot us down from that point on.
To come to the point, if the gunner is not good enough, and if he doesn't eliminate vehicles/guns, that are able to damage us (due to their ground to air missiles) while we are flying high, I have to decrease the altitude and fly closer to the ground to find some cover behind buildings against the ground to air missiles. But if we fly lover to the ground, we virtually 'create' further enemies, that are able to damage us(tanks, FAV-s, antitank soldiers etc.). If there are more enemy, that are able to damage us, we will get damaged more often. If we get damaged more often, we have to go to repair more often. If we are going to repair all the time, we are wasting our time instead of being at the front killing enemies.
I hope you (and everybody else) can understand now why I can get more kills flying solo than my average gunner would get if I flew with one, and why most solo flyers are more useful for his team than a two-men chopper crew with an average gunner(and basically that's why I have formulated my first tip). I know there are a lot of skilled gunners out there, but I have to say that most gunners are only average, or even weaker.
Last edited by GameOver (2007-03-16 13:30:02)
your guide only apllies on maps when theres no movile AA and are more ground fight oriented.
I can see by your playing at Danging oilfields that your tactics doesnt work, theres a lot of mobile AAs that can take you down before u even notice them, no matter where you hide.
If you stay all round 400 fts above what does it do to help your team?, nothing, you are cowardly hiding away from AA range just getting points, thats until a plane notice u and takes u down. At Oman planes are more busy fighting themselves but at, for example, Wake, they will go for u too.
All vehicles has to be used as offensive weapons, for cleaning the area and eliminating other vehicles, so ground troops can move in faster and take the flags.
It looks like you are more worried of getting killed and farming points than helping your team winning the round.
Show us you can do the same at maps like Danging oilfield, Ghost Town and Iron Gator.
You are one of those guys that deserve to be tked at round start.
I can see by your playing at Danging oilfields that your tactics doesnt work, theres a lot of mobile AAs that can take you down before u even notice them, no matter where you hide.
If you stay all round 400 fts above what does it do to help your team?, nothing, you are cowardly hiding away from AA range just getting points, thats until a plane notice u and takes u down. At Oman planes are more busy fighting themselves but at, for example, Wake, they will go for u too.
All vehicles has to be used as offensive weapons, for cleaning the area and eliminating other vehicles, so ground troops can move in faster and take the flags.
It looks like you are more worried of getting killed and farming points than helping your team winning the round.
Show us you can do the same at maps like Danging oilfield, Ghost Town and Iron Gator.
You are one of those guys that deserve to be tked at round start.
Last edited by Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd (2007-03-16 12:54:57)
What makes you think my tactics dooesn't work on Daqing Oilfields? My Win-Loss Ratio? Sure, it's not the best, but I have to tell you that there is no connection between the two things. I can show you lots of screenshots taken in rounds(quite true not on Daqing but on other maps), that my team have lost, despite the fact that I've get plenty of kills. (We have lost most of these rounds, because most of my teammates were incredible amateur. But it's another story...)Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:
I can see by your playing at Danging oilfields that your tactics doesnt work
However it's quite true that I hate Daqing Oilfields. I've really sucked in most of the rounds, that I played on this map. But I don't think it's because my tactics wouldn't work on this map, I think it's because I haven't known the map at all (not to mention that I've rarely managed to get a chopper at all). (I haven't even known where mobile-AA-s spawned, thus I haven't been able to destroy them before anyone would have get in. After a few poor rounds I took a dislike to this map, and I haven't practiced it since then, thus my Win-Loss Ratio remained poor on this map.)
Let's take Kubra Dam: lots of mobile AA-s, and my tactics still works just as well as on any other maps. So I think that your statement('your guide only apllies on maps when theres no movile AA') doesn't stand up.
Have a look at my previous post, please! If you fly high, most of the enemies can't hit you, while you do can hit them(with TV-missiles). And if you kill the enemy, you support your team. That's simple! Actually this is how a chopper is designed to be used.Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:
If you stay all round 400 fts above what does it do to help your team?
But don't forget one thing: On Wake it can happen that the enemy loses its airfield (thus its jets) while on Gulf Of Oman the enemy always owns the airfield. Personally, I consider Wake as the easiest map in terms of chopper flying(of course only as USMC, after capturing the airfield of the enemy) From that point on the enemy doesn't stand a single chance to shoot down a chopper flying high enough - as you probably know that, as well.Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:
At Oman planes are more busy fighting themselves but at, for example, Wake, they will go for u too.
Why should I do that? Why should I prove anything? I don't hunt for your appreciation. I don't care for it. I've just written a little guide/I've just collected a few tips, that work for me, a few tips, about which I think are useful for effective chopper flying - no matter what others say. You can make use of these tips or you can completly disregard them. It's your choice, I don't care for it at all.Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:
Show us you can do the same at maps like Danging oilfield, Ghost Town and Iron Gator.
And you are one of those guys, who are jealous.Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:
You are one of those guys that deserve to be tked at round start.
Last edited by GameOver (2007-03-16 17:01:32)
and WHY dont you like it?GameOver wrote:
However it's quite true that I hate Daqing Oilfields. I've really sucked in most of the rounds, that I played on this map. But I don't think it's because my tactics wouldn't work on this map, I think it's because I haven't known the map at all (not to mention that I've rarely managed to get a chopper at all). (I haven't even known where mobile-AA-s spawned, thus I haven't been able to destroy them before anyone would have get in. After a few poor rounds I took a dislike to this map, and I haven't practiced it since then, thus my Win-Loss Ratio remained poor on this map.)
because you get your ass handed to you all the time by mobile AA and low level fog.
your tactics fail on all levels except oman, dalian and wake.
try playing a map other than oman.
it's as much an exploit as a tanker switching from the main gun to the gunner's seat.[1stSSF]=Nuka= wrote:
Well, keep in mind that many servers (not ours, btw) ban seat-switching in a copter and that EA considers it a game exploit
You hate oilfields cause the fog and trees mess up your noob tactic, AAs can hide and take u down before u notice them, at Oman, theres not much cover.
jealous?, LMAO, u r a noob that thinks that can write a guide of this game just by playing ONE MAP only.
you just gave us the reason you are a envious noob by saying u stay all round way above from the battle, hiding and doing only a few kills, while your team could use the chopper to rape the ground.
i have seen guys that use the chopper at building level and are very diffucult to take down, even with all AAs working, they usually finish 40+ , not like your pathetic 10+.
Name the oman server u usually play on, so we can show u how we take you down easilly, using a pathetic F35 or, ill show u, a tank...
jealous?, LMAO, u r a noob that thinks that can write a guide of this game just by playing ONE MAP only.
you just gave us the reason you are a envious noob by saying u stay all round way above from the battle, hiding and doing only a few kills, while your team could use the chopper to rape the ground.
i have seen guys that use the chopper at building level and are very diffucult to take down, even with all AAs working, they usually finish 40+ , not like your pathetic 10+.
Name the oman server u usually play on, so we can show u how we take you down easilly, using a pathetic F35 or, ill show u, a tank...
Last edited by Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd (2007-03-17 01:43:43)
Personally I'm not a Chopper Pilot but I am turning into a Decent gunner.
I was playing Ghost town the other day and rode with a pilot who hugged the ground.
I can't recall the pilot's name but dude had it going on. We flew around in between the buildings. I only got a couple kills but he was doing well with the rockets. I never flew with anyone that low before. I thought it was pretty cool & we were up there for awhile before an AA vehicle finally hammerred us down.
Maybe it's the newbie in me but I thought it was awesome flying in between bulidings & sneaking up on unsuspecting souls.
I was playing Ghost town the other day and rode with a pilot who hugged the ground.
I can't recall the pilot's name but dude had it going on. We flew around in between the buildings. I only got a couple kills but he was doing well with the rockets. I never flew with anyone that low before. I thought it was pretty cool & we were up there for awhile before an AA vehicle finally hammerred us down.
Maybe it's the newbie in me but I thought it was awesome flying in between bulidings & sneaking up on unsuspecting souls.
Just wanted to say that I thought HellFire rockets Are your tv missles lol
lol pit pictures or shit+
Exactly the TV missile is a Hellfire the rocket pods are Hydras.Gamematt wrote:
Just wanted to say that I thought HellFire rockets Are your tv missles lol
I disagree with a lot of what you said...
No problem. You don’t have to agree with it, you don’t even have to use it. Moreover you don’t even have to fly with your chopper effectively. After all, you can die after every 3rd killed enemy. Or you can try to adapt something new/something different and die only after every 10th killed enemy. I don't care a bit. It's your game.elite.mafia wrote:
I disagree with a lot of what you said...
With a tank? LOL! Don't make an ass of yourself! I was never shot down by a tank in my ranked career flying solo. By the way my armor K/D is above 16 and I say that I would have no chance against such a skilled chopper flyier if I would use a completely useless tank. I would hop in the tank and die, hop in and die, hop in and die... Yours is 3.8465 and you say that you could kill me with a tank... You are either very brave or fully incompetent.Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:
Name the oman server u usually play on, so we can show u how we take you down easilly, using a pathetic F35 or, ill show u, a tank...
leik zomg i worzhip ur st4tz teech me ur awsom waiz pl0x
Hmmm...
Its true (or i think at least) a decent soloer is better than a decent pilot with a crap gunner.
But i decent pilot with a decent gunner (even with no comms) is still better than solo.
Flying ub3r high is a pretty cheap tactic. Sure it can work. But it sucks all the fun out of battles if all you do is hover in the clouds, with nothing but grey around. Why not get a bit lower to the ground (100 - 150ft), bring the nose up and get the enemy chopper in the belly (aka one of the best areas for hit reg).
Going to one side of the map is a good tip, at least then you only have one side to concentrate on.
Its true (or i think at least) a decent soloer is better than a decent pilot with a crap gunner.
But i decent pilot with a decent gunner (even with no comms) is still better than solo.
Flying ub3r high is a pretty cheap tactic. Sure it can work. But it sucks all the fun out of battles if all you do is hover in the clouds, with nothing but grey around. Why not get a bit lower to the ground (100 - 150ft), bring the nose up and get the enemy chopper in the belly (aka one of the best areas for hit reg).
Going to one side of the map is a good tip, at least then you only have one side to concentrate on.
Yea, this is a really lame guide. Never fly with a gunner = Never win the round. You can get a good score, sure, but you'd be way better off with a gunner.
Played a round of Kubra Dam last night with a guy that hasn't played in 6 months. He gunned, I flew. I find that the best Chopper pilots out there are the ones that don't shoot, they just line up for a shot and then evade fire. We ended up at the end of the round with 1 death and my score (no kills, just assists) was over 60.
I never fly high because then if an AA (Fixed or Moble) locks on to you, 1. you have no where to go, 2. You have no idea where it is (Being so high multiple sites can see you). If you fly low, you can quickly figure out where he probably is and take cover behind mountains/trees/buildings. Then all you do is circle around from some other direction and there's an easy +2 points for your gunner, +1 for you.
**Oh** And killing the enemy = supporting your team... Too bad that you can get 1000 kills in a round and still lose (K/P server anyone?). And what happens when people like me order my 7+ clan members on my team to stay away from the choppers and other vehicle and AA so that the bombers and choppers like your tactics have no targets, making you nothing but a flying waste of a player.
**AND** For not caring about stats, you sure quote yours and others a whole lot.... Too bad you have less than 100 hours on foot. Tells me something about you.
(That Sharki Screen shot, how do we know that it was chopper kills, exactly like you said it was. All that screen shot shows is a score, you could have been in armor the entire round....)
There's so much more that I can say, but I'm at work and don't have time to waste on this thread....
Played a round of Kubra Dam last night with a guy that hasn't played in 6 months. He gunned, I flew. I find that the best Chopper pilots out there are the ones that don't shoot, they just line up for a shot and then evade fire. We ended up at the end of the round with 1 death and my score (no kills, just assists) was over 60.
I never fly high because then if an AA (Fixed or Moble) locks on to you, 1. you have no where to go, 2. You have no idea where it is (Being so high multiple sites can see you). If you fly low, you can quickly figure out where he probably is and take cover behind mountains/trees/buildings. Then all you do is circle around from some other direction and there's an easy +2 points for your gunner, +1 for you.
**Oh** And killing the enemy = supporting your team... Too bad that you can get 1000 kills in a round and still lose (K/P server anyone?). And what happens when people like me order my 7+ clan members on my team to stay away from the choppers and other vehicle and AA so that the bombers and choppers like your tactics have no targets, making you nothing but a flying waste of a player.
**AND** For not caring about stats, you sure quote yours and others a whole lot.... Too bad you have less than 100 hours on foot. Tells me something about you.
(That Sharki Screen shot, how do we know that it was chopper kills, exactly like you said it was. All that screen shot shows is a score, you could have been in armor the entire round....)
There's so much more that I can say, but I'm at work and don't have time to waste on this thread....
Last edited by Drexel (2007-04-02 09:48:48)
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