The terrorists, and it is eating the Bush haters up.Kmarion wrote:
Who's life here has changed because of the Patriot Act?
I was 22 when 9/11 occurred. I was one of the few people among my college mates that didn't succumb to the fearmongering of the government at the time.rawls2 wrote:
IMO: 9/11 caused a rift in the way we approach foriegn/domestic affairs. I believe those who were of a decent age when the attacks occured are most likely going to agree with what the FBI did. Those who were still playing with tiddly winks are going to be like WTF!!! What happened to our freedom?
Basically, if you're ok with the FBI abusing its power or you're for extending its power over you as a citizen, then you might as well move to Russia. They definitely don't have a problem with oppressing their people in the name of national security.
I think a better question is... How far do you let the government invade your privacy?...Kmarion wrote:
Who's life here has changed because of the Patriot Act?
I thought conservatives preferred smaller government. I guess not.
Robert Mugabe is doing the same thing in Zimbabwe and has done for years.Shmizmar wrote:
Oh my god you people are unbelievable.
Comparing Bush to Stalin is horrible. You think that your freedoms are hindered by having your phones tapped? If you're not doing anything wrong then it shouldn't matter. I don't care if the fucking FBI knows that I smoked pot last weekend when they listened to phone calls. (which they don't, what reason would they have to?)
fucking liberals.
It starts at phone tapping. When they find nothing...whats next? Internet snooping? Microphones in public places. This more empty bullshit to fight terrorism. The US keeps treating the symptoms are terrorism but never treats the disease.
Fine you don't mind being spied, I do. The laws have been abused and broken by a federal agency. You should be up in arms with rage. But its easier to sit on your hands.
Hm.............should have asked that of the Jews and co. just after Hitler came into power..........I imagine the answer would be much the same.Kmarion wrote:
Who's life here has changed because of the Patriot Act?
I was not speaking in rhetoric. I seriously want to know.Bubbalo wrote:
Hm.............should have asked that of the Jews and co. just after Hitler came into power..........I imagine the answer would be much the same.Kmarion wrote:
Who's life here has changed because of the Patriot Act?
And Turquoise, I only skim the line of conservative. I figured you would have noticed that by now.
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You know what's horrible? People so stone fucking ignorant of history they're lucky they remember what they had for fucking breakfast yesterday.Shmizmar wrote:
Oh my god you people are unbelievable.
Comparing Bush to Stalin is horrible. You think that your freedoms are hindered by having your phones tapped? If you're not doing anything wrong then it shouldn't matter. I don't care if the fucking FBI knows that I smoked pot last weekend when they listened to phone calls. (which they don't, what reason would they have to?)
fucking liberals.
Why does everyone act like all of history's greatest despotic mass murderers just woke up one day and said "Okay, let's round up and murder a few million people today"? Not a single one of them would've gotten anywhere without popular consent and the power/authority to arbitrarily round up large numbers of citizens. Neither of those are acquired overnight. That kind of structure had to be built slowly, it had to be tested to see how much the public was willing to put up with. It had to be tailored by propaganda, nurtured by suspicion, strengthened by fear. Right on the heels of that popular consent is the governmental apparatus necessary to investigate and surveil the populace to find those that fit the mold of "enemy of the State" in word or deed. Without the will of the people behind it and without the "national security" apparatus to locate and round up "undesireables", no Holocaust, no Purge, nothing.
So good for you, you think you have "nothing to hide" because you're a good little citizen. Like I keep saying, make that fucking decision to bend over and spread your cheeks on command for yourself, not the rest of us. Especially when it's for a government that gives a guy 25 to life without parole for burning a car lot and gives another guy 11 years with time served for possessing, with intent to use, enough sodium cyanide to turn an office building into a multi-story tomb with cubicles.
Instead of bitching and moaning go do something about it.
When Rodney King was beaten there was no assumption that the entire police was corrrupt.
I found an interesting passage from a blog recently on the topic of privacy....Kmarion wrote:
I was not speaking in rhetoric. I seriously want to know.Bubbalo wrote:
Hm.............should have asked that of the Jews and co. just after Hitler came into power..........I imagine the answer would be much the same.Kmarion wrote:
Who's life here has changed because of the Patriot Act?
And Turquoise, I only skim the line of conservative. I figured you would have noticed that by now.
"Younger people, one could point out, are the only ones for whom it seems to have sunk in that the idea of a truly private life is already an illusion. Every street in New York has a surveillance camera. Each time you swipe your debit card at Duane Reade or use your MetroCard, that transaction is tracked. Your employer owns your e-mails. The NSA owns your phone calls. Your life is being lived in public whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
So it may be time to consider the possibility that young people who behave as if privacy doesn’t exist are actually the sane people, not the insane ones. For someone like me, who grew up sealing my diary with a literal lock, this may be tough to accept. But under current circumstances, a defiant belief in holding things close to your chest might not be high-minded. It might be an artifact—quaint and naïve, like a determined faith that virginity keeps ladies pure. Or at least that might be true for someone who has grown up “putting themselves out there” and found that the benefits of being transparent make the risks worth it."
The passage was cited from New York in an article titled "Say Everything." Here's the direct link: http://nymag.com/news/features/27341/
As cynical as it might sound, maybe the solution to all this is to embrace the careless narcissism that our mostly nonexistent privacy affords. Instead of bucking a system run by corporate whores and paranoid powermongers, you can just sit back and give them the finger as they watch.
Yes, I've never done anything worthy of the NSA's attention, but since the concept of small government has eroded so completely from the public's consciousness, I guess the right to privacy has become a rather moot point.
Besides, corporations have been spying on us through data mining and selling "call lists" of info to telemarketers for years now. I guess the government couldn't pass up the opportunity to get into the same game.
lol nice oneHurricane wrote:
Where's that "piece of paper" picture?
Found it
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1185/untitledzv2.jpg
