BF2S Forums Countries with the most negative image globally

Bertster7 wrote:

sfarrar33 wrote:

It is the subject of some debate as to whether or not America would have even entered WWII if Pearl Harbour had not happened, but if instead America would have waited until Germany became a threat to it.

That is absolutely not the case.

Last edited by Vilham (2007-03-08 10:34:41)

Vilham wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

sfarrar33 wrote:

It is the subject of some debate as to whether or not America would have even entered WWII if Pearl Harbour had not happened, but if instead America would have waited until Germany became a threat to it.

That is absolutely not the case.

Bert the only country that I would count from that list is Korea (UN sanctioned missions arent US mission they are UN ones.) and ofc the ones from WWII, listing them is rather pointless as the UK/Aussies/NZ/Free French can also take credit for those, it was hardly the Americans going it alone, and it certainly wasn't to free those countries (i say this because if a Europian country had just invaded one other nation and the war was just between them most countries would have been unhappy about it but less likely to get involved), it was to remove the threat of Nazi Germany.

Just to make this clear i have never stated the US didn't help Europe out in WWII, but to say they did it all or even the most is a blatant lie.

Bertster7 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

That is absolutely not the case.

Bert the only country that I would count from that list is Korea (UN sanctioned missions arent US mission they are UN ones.) and ofc the ones from WWII, listing them is rather pointless as the UK/Aussies/NZ/Free French can also take credit for those, it was hardly the Americans going it alone, and it certainly wasn't to free those countries (i say this because if a Europian country had just invaded one other nation and the war was just between them most countries would have been unhappy about it but less likely to get involved), it was to remove the threat of Nazi Germany.

Just to make this clear i have never stated the US didn't help Europe out in WWII, but to say they did it all or even the most is a blatant lie.

So it doesn't matter that they led the invading forces in most of those instances and were the driving force behind their successes?

The invasion of France happened because of the US, it was led by US forces and would not have been possible without them. Admittedly the Russians did play a much larger role than the Americans in victory in the European theatre, but not in Western Europe.

In any case, even if you're only counting Korea, you only asked for one case.

Bertster7 wrote:

sfarrar33 wrote:

It is the subject of some debate as to whether or not America would have even entered WWII if Pearl Harbour had not happened, but if instead America would have waited until Germany became a threat to it.

That is absolutely not the case.

CameronPoe wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6421597.stm

Poll results in from BBC World Service - poll is conducted annually, 28,000 survey respondents - here are the top five countries (out of a total of 12) with the most negative image:

1. Israel
2. Iran
3. USA
4. North Korea
5. Russia

Most positive image:

1. Canada
2. Japan
3. EU
4. France
5. Great Britain

The countries surveyed were: Great Britain, USA, France, Poland, Argentina, Canada, Brazil, Chile, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Germany, Portugal, Egypt, Nigeria, Kenya, Lebanon, UAE, India, China, Russia, South Korea, Phillipines, Indonesia, Australia.

Pug wrote:

Look Vilham, I'm only pointing out your inconsistent logic which is driven by the fact you hate the US.

God forbid you actual give any credit when anything GOOD happens.

Last edited by topal63 (2007-03-08 10:52:06)

topal63 wrote:

Pug wrote:

Look Vilham, I'm only pointing out your inconsistent logic which is driven by the fact you hate the US.

God forbid you actual give any credit when anything GOOD happens.

Not only that, but I don't think this is an unreasonable thing for me to say:

That while it is true that the current Admin. & it's policies have cast a negative shadow over the image of America, a majority of the world holds a favorable opinion of the America looming beneath the shadow. And, as soon as the current Admin. corrects its course (policy) or is replaced by another (Admin.), the favorable image will be restored rather quickly (of course that an IMO).

Vilham wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

And enough of this WWII debate this isnt about that, this is about NOW, as i have stated Americas policy of invading other countries to promote "freedom" hasnt worked since in along time, thus they have a negative image.

I doubt the inhabitants of a number of former Soviet states would agree with you. It wasn't invading, but NATO kept the Soviets at bay and it was the US that forced the USSR to overstretch itself in an arms race they could not afford.

That's recentish.

That is a good example of when America has helped without invading other countries, i would like to see more of that.

topal63 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

topal63 wrote:

Not only that, but I don't think this is an unreasonable thing for me to say:

That while it is true that the current Admin. & it's policies have cast a negative shadow over the image of America, a majority of the world holds a favorable opinion of the America looming beneath the shadow. And, as soon as the current Admin. corrects its course (policy) or is replaced by another (Admin.), the favorable image will be restored rather quickly (of course that an IMO).

Ofc. But i dont live in the past or the future. I live in the now. And what America is doing NOW is wrong.

You're being being inconsistent again, with your logic, there is only the future to project our actions into, the moment becomes the past instantly... and you are partly agruing about the past.

The Iraq war cannot be undone...
The current Admin. can only change direction or be replaced.

Vilham wrote:

topal63 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Ofc. But i dont live in the past or the future. I live in the now. And what America is doing NOW is wrong.

You're being being inconsistent again, with your logic, there is only the future to project our actions into, the moment becomes the past instantly... and you are partly agruing about the past.

The Iraq war cannot be undone...
The current Admin. can only change direction or be replaced.

Yeah and now you just choose to be pedantic. Obvious by NOW i dont mean this picosecond. I mean in the last 5 years or so and the next 5 years or so.

Bertster7 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

topal63 wrote:

You're being being inconsistent again, with your logic, there is only the future to project our actions into, the moment becomes the past instantly... and you are partly agruing about the past.

The Iraq war cannot be undone...
The current Admin. can only change direction or be replaced.

Yeah and now you just choose to be pedantic. Obvious by NOW i dont mean this picosecond. I mean in the last 5 years or so and the next 5 years or so.

Like Bosnia maybe?

CameronPoe wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6421597.stm

Poll results in from BBC World Service - poll is conducted annually, 28,000 survey respondents - here are the top five countries (out of a total of 12) with the most negative image:

1. Israel
2. Iran
3. USA
4. North Korea
5. Russia

Most positive image:

1. Canada
2. Japan
3. EU
4. France
5. Great Britain

The countries surveyed were: Great Britain, USA, France, Poland, Argentina, Canada, Brazil, Chile, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Germany, Portugal, Egypt, Nigeria, Kenya, Lebanon, UAE, India, China, Russia, South Korea, Phillipines, Indonesia, Australia.

Delving into the report itself the following facts emerge:

- 41% of the US respondents view state terrorists Israel positively against 33% who view them negatively.
- The respondents of all European, South American, Middle Eastern and Asian nations (except India) view Israel in a predominantly negative light.

Q. Where, pray tell, does the US get this positive image from? AIPAC really most be working wonders on the US media. This sharp difference of opinion between the US and the rest of the world is quite telling. The US complain that they are hated and yet they can't see through the fact that their support for Israel is why.

- All European nations bar Poland view America in a predominantly negative light. 57% of Great British respondents, interestingly, view the US negatively as against 33% who view them positively. 60% of respondents from another 'war of terror' ally, Australia, also view the US in a heavily negative light. 
- The only nations that view the US in a positive light are Poland, Nigeria, Kenya, Phillipines. Not even neighbours Canada or little threatened South Korea view the US positively.

Q. How on earth did the US manage to squander a seemingly limitless supply of sympathy and goodwill in the aftermath of 9/11 to come to be viewed negatively even by its supposed allies in the 'western world'?

Q. The poll shows the British populace have more in common with their European brethren than they allow themselves to let on. Should the Labour Party be taught a lesson it will never forget at the next general election, for acting against the will of the people for so long? Tony Blair has single-handedly made the UK more of a paraia than it was before in the middle east and abroad.

Vilham wrote:

"You know what, you're absolutely right, the US does want to impose their ideology of liberal democracy and trans-atlantic values on others.  And exactly how do you know what the inhabitants of other countries want? Have you ever lived in a communist country or a country ruled by a dictator to know what the inhabitants of those countries want?  There are 12 new countries in the European Union who would disagree with you about America's desire to shape the world according to their ideology." Is what he said which is saying that America is great and should be able to do what they want because their policy always works.

He based that on only his experience and as i stated originally his one experience doesnt make him right. The world isnt the same anywhere.

He says this " And exactly how do you know what the inhabitants of other countries want? " and yet it also applies to him, making him a hypocrite, which was my original point. He claims to know what others want but claims that we cant.