imortal
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+240|7094|Austin, TX

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

The bad underlying problem here is the Bush Administration's (and really, most people in power) willingness to disregard the law for their own personal (or factional) agenda.  Libby (and most likely Rove) possibly put Valerie Plame's life in jeopardy as a form of revenge to her husband.  How reckless and childish are these people?
Except for the fact that Libby did not "out" the woman, another journalist did.

Also, that she was not a covert agent at the time, nor had she been for a while.

Oh, and her husband was rabidly against the administration BEFORE all of this broke.  I am sure it was simply concern for her wifes' welfare that prompted his actions.
imortal
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+240|7094|Austin, TX

BN wrote:

imortal wrote:

For example, say you are skipping school for the day, playing video games.  While you are at home playing games, a gas station near your house was robbed.  The cops came by later and ask if you robbed the place.  You say "no, I was at school," because you do not want to get in trouble.  The cops later find out you were at home, then arrest you for lying.  You did not commit the action they first were questioning you about, but they caught you anyway.  Sweet the way things work, is it not?
So the guy who robbed the gas station is Rove? Cheney?
lol... actually, it came out that it was former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage who came out and said he was the one who outed Valerie Plame to Robert Novak.  This was back in September of 2006.  But it really is amazing how much you all WANT it to be some evil conspiracy.  The pack is lying in wait, taking any morsel it can get.  Pouncing on any little event or fact as proof that their lies about and hate toward anything Bush ever since he had the gall to actually WIN the 2000 election was not in vain.

And that is really where all of this comes from.  Bitterness and denial that Gore lost the 2000 election.  Bush haters are willing to rewrite history into their own personal fantasy that the only way it could have happened was through the evil plans  of Bush.

Notice how nobody was yelling about the 'black boxes' of the elections this time?  Oh, back in 2004, everybody was yelling about how unfair they were and how easy to falsify the vote.  Even leading up to the elections, we were warned how bad the election was going to be.  Then the democrats started to look better in the polls, and those news events and dire warnings faded away.  When the democrats win the election, nary a word was mentioned about the possibility that the voting was 'rigged.'

And before anyone starts yelling voter fraud and intimidation, yes.  It happens.  by BOTH parties.  Both parties are wrong to do it.  I doubt that it is an official tactic used by them, but some of the underlings most likely do do it.  Do not think one side is innocent and the other guilty.

Last edited by imortal (2007-03-06 22:39:40)

rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6989

imortal wrote:

BN wrote:

imortal wrote:

For example, say you are skipping school for the day, playing video games.  While you are at home playing games, a gas station near your house was robbed.  The cops came by later and ask if you robbed the place.  You say "no, I was at school," because you do not want to get in trouble.  The cops later find out you were at home, then arrest you for lying.  You did not commit the action they first were questioning you about, but they caught you anyway.  Sweet the way things work, is it not?
So the guy who robbed the gas station is Rove? Cheney?
lol... actually, it came out that it was former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage who came out and said he was the one who outed Valerie Plame to Robert Novak.  This was back in September of 2006.  But it really is amazing how much you all WANT it to be some evil conspiracy.  The pack is lying in wait, taking any morsel it can get.  Pouncing on any little event or fact as proof that their lies about and hate toward anything Bush ever since he had the gall to actually WIN the 2000 election was not in vain.

And that is really where all of this comes from.  Bitterness and denial that Gore lost the 2000 election.  Bush haters are willing to rewrite history into their own personal fantasy that the only way it could have happened was through the evil plans  of Bush.

Notice how nobody was yelling about the 'black boxes' of the elections this time?  Oh, back in 2004, everybody was yelling about how unfair they were and how easy to falsify the vote.  Even leading up to the elections, we were warned how bad the election was going to be.  Then the democrats started to look better in the polls, and those news events and dire warnings faded away.  When the democrats win the election, nary a word was mentioned about the possibility that the voting was 'rigged.'

And before anyone starts yelling voter fraud and intimidation, yes.  It happens.  by BOTH parties.  Both parties are wrong to do it.  I doubt that it is an official tactic used by them, but some of the underlings most likely do do it.  Do not think one side is innocent and the other guilty.
Most people don't reveal they are CIA untill they have retired. All the years of sacrifice and training this women put into her job, a job of public service, down the drain all for revenge.
imortal
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+240|7094|Austin, TX

rawls2 wrote:

Most people don't reveal they are CIA untill they have retired. All the years of sacrifice and training this women put into her job, a job of public service, down the drain all for revenge.
...and you know this because...? Actually, there are thousands of people who will readily admit they work for the CIA; I know several. 

And second, you ASSUME that it was a) done by the administration (Bush/Cheney/Rowe) b) intentionally c) for purposes of revenge.  You do not KNOW any of those facts.  You simply want to believe them to justify your already negative views of the Bush administration.
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6989

imortal wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

Most people don't reveal they are CIA untill they have retired. All the years of sacrifice and training this women put into her job, a job of public service, down the drain all for revenge.
...and you know this because...? Actually, there are thousands of people who will readily admit they work for the CIA; I know several. 

And second, you ASSUME that it was a) done by the administration (Bush/Cheney/Rowe) b) intentionally c) for purposes of revenge.  You do not KNOW any of those facts.  You simply want to believe them to justify your already negative views of the Bush administration.
Seriously, do I really need to justify my negative views of the Bush administration.
imortal
Member
+240|7094|Austin, TX

rawls2 wrote:

imortal wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

Most people don't reveal they are CIA untill they have retired. All the years of sacrifice and training this women put into her job, a job of public service, down the drain all for revenge.
...and you know this because...? Actually, there are thousands of people who will readily admit they work for the CIA; I know several. 

And second, you ASSUME that it was a) done by the administration (Bush/Cheney/Rowe) b) intentionally c) for purposes of revenge.  You do not KNOW any of those facts.  You simply want to believe them to justify your already negative views of the Bush administration.
Seriously, do I really need to justify my negative views of the Bush administration.
Actually, yes.  Maybe your beliefs are held by a whole lot of people, as in this case.  You still need to, personally, be able to justify them.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7151|Eastern PA
What I want to know is, if this was no big deal as so many assert, then why would Libby lie, under oath, to a Federal Grand Jury?

EDIT: In any case a pardon is out of the question for Libby (at least by GWB)

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clemency.htm#pardon

§ 1.2 Eligibility for filing petition for pardon.

No petition for pardon should be filed until the expiration of a waiting period of at least five years after the date of the release of the petitioner from confinement or, in case no prison sentence was imposed, until the expiration of a period of at least five years after the date of the conviction of the petitioner. Generally, no petition should be submitted by a person who is on probation, parole, or supervised release.

Last edited by Masques (2007-03-08 22:54:29)

imortal
Member
+240|7094|Austin, TX

Masques wrote:

What I want to know is, if this was no big deal as so many assert, then why would Libby lie, under oath, to a Federal Grand Jury?

EDIT: In any case a pardon is out of the question for Libby (at least by GWB)

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clemency.htm#pardon

§ 1.2 Eligibility for filing petition for pardon.

No petition for pardon should be filed until the expiration of a waiting period of at least five years after the date of the release of the petitioner from confinement or, in case no prison sentence was imposed, until the expiration of a period of at least five years after the date of the conviction of the petitioner. Generally, no petition should be submitted by a person who is on probation, parole, or supervised release.
Hey, never claimed he was completely innocent; after all, he IS in goverment.  Maybe he was hiding one thing while honestly proclaiming he did not do this; I refer you back to my hookie- gas station analogy.  If he lied to the investigation officials, he SHOULD go to jail.  I just think is was a crock that got the investigation started in the first place, but that is politics for you.

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