My family is my god, they are the ones I have faith in.
CPoe:
A prophet is a human messenger for a deity, but is not himself/herself a deity.
There is no abhorrence on my part towards Muslims, it's simply incorrect that Allah is the same God as Jehovah. Very small of you to pull out the racist card because you don't agree with me.
Muslims characterize Allah as removed from mankind and unknowable. In Christianity, God seeks a close relationship with mankind. They are markedly different. You must work for Allah's favor to gain Heaven, but in Christianity, God does the work to address sin and all one has to do is believe. In light of that, the two are not interchangeable and certainly not in any way the same. Study further and you will understand much better.
A prophet is a human messenger for a deity, but is not himself/herself a deity.
There is no abhorrence on my part towards Muslims, it's simply incorrect that Allah is the same God as Jehovah. Very small of you to pull out the racist card because you don't agree with me.
Muslims characterize Allah as removed from mankind and unknowable. In Christianity, God seeks a close relationship with mankind. They are markedly different. You must work for Allah's favor to gain Heaven, but in Christianity, God does the work to address sin and all one has to do is believe. In light of that, the two are not interchangeable and certainly not in any way the same. Study further and you will understand much better.
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SR.Stingray24 wrote:
CPoe:
A prophet is a human messenger for a deity, but is not himself/herself a deity.
There is no abhorrence on my part towards Muslims, it's simply incorrect that Allah is the same God as Jehovah. Very small of you to pull out the racist card because you don't agree with me.
Muslims characterize Allah as removed from mankind and unknowable. In Christianity, God seeks a close relationship with mankind. They are markedly different. You must work for Allah's favor to gain Heaven, but in Christianity, God does the work to address sin and all one has to do is believe. In light of that, the two are not interchangeable and certainly not in any way the same. Study further and you will understand much better.
Sorry for the harshness of the race card.
I know very well the difference between a prophet and deity.
What you are talking about with respect to Christianity and Islam is simply the fact that the two religions have different interpretations of what Abrahamic God actually is/means. The deity itself is the same, the interpretation different.
PS There is such a thing as hell in Catholicism, not sure about other Christian faiths, so working towards gaining entry to heaven does form part of Christianity. Again it's all about interpretation of the preachings.
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I used to keep a gold (plated) samurai helmet in a glass case at my cubicle. Someone once asked me what it was and I told them it was my god and if they made fun of it I would say a prayer and he would smite them down.
They freaked out on me.
They freaked out on me.
Being a prophet is a claim, that cannot be substantiated as being a true claim, ever, it is a concept you & almost everybody else: atheist, agnostic, those of a specific tradition of "faith," etc - would entirely reject - if one were to make the claim in a modern world before the scrutiny of all; or any person. Yet, acceptance that revelation in the distant past (in antiquity that cannot ever be verified) is normal to you, worthy of belief, reasonable. Today a claim would be rejected (and many so-called modern day prophets have made such claims), utterly unreasonable if it is only a claim (words coming out of a mans mouth), yet is completely reasonable to you that it happened in the past (words coming of the pages of a book, a claim of revelation).Stingray24 wrote:
CPoe:
A prophet is a human messenger for a deity, but is not himself/herself a deity.
There is no abhorrence on my part towards Muslims, it's simply incorrect that Allah is the same God as Jehovah. Very small of you to pull out the racist card because you don't agree with me.
Muslims characterize Allah as removed from mankind and unknowable. In Christianity, God seeks a close relationship with mankind. They are markedly different. You must work for Allah's favor to gain Heaven, but in Christianity, God does the work to address sin and all one has to do is believe. In light of that, the two are not interchangeable and certainly not in any way the same. Study further and you will understand much better.
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God, a being whom does not interfer with man but sits by with a homebrew and potato chips while watching the human race unfold.
Cameron, admit you are incorrect.
Because they do. Jesus was the son of the God of the Jews, and Mohammad was sent by the God of the Jews. Well if you beleive the stuff they were.stef10 wrote:
How in the world can you say that Christianity/Jewism and Islam have the same God.
Oh and I like Black Jesus. He is the same as white Jesus except he has darker skin.
Jesus is chinese. His name is Jesus Wong. He told me he dosent know how they got "Christ". - Stewie Griffin, Family Guydoctastrangelove1964 wrote:
Because they do. Jesus was the son of the God of the Jews, and Mohammad was sent by the God of the Jews. Well if you beleive the stuff they were.stef10 wrote:
How in the world can you say that Christianity/Jewism and Islam have the same God.
Oh and I like Black Jesus. He is the same as white Jesus except he has darker skin.
LOL. Why would I do that when I'm perfectly correct?stef10 wrote:
Cameron, admit you are incorrect.
That could quite possibly be the lamest post ever to grace the D&ST forum since its inception.... ROTFLMAO
I must use that one in an argument sometime: "Admit you're incorrect!". LOL
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who the hell is god?
LoL I dont want to get in to it but I have to say wtf is "THE link" ?
You people say... "dint you read THE link".... "I am right I found THE link".... "but THE link says".... "God loves me because I worship THE link" WTF! Is it a new holy book ?
You people say... "dint you read THE link".... "I am right I found THE link".... "but THE link says".... "God loves me because I worship THE link" WTF! Is it a new holy book ?
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Malloy must go
lol. According to Stef10 it is anyway...zeidmaan wrote:
LoL I dont want to get in to it but I have to say wtf is "THE link" ?
You people say... "dint you read THE link".... "I am right I found THE link".... "but THE link says".... "God loves me because I worship THE link" WTF! Is it a new holy book ?
zeus!
or odin?
or odin?
Guns.
Oh, good. By your earlier post …CameronPoe wrote:
SR.
Sorry for the harshness of the race card.
I know very well the difference between a prophet and deity.
What you are talking about with respect to Christianity and Islam is simply the fact that the two religions have different interpretations of what Abrahamic God actually is/means. The deity itself is the same, the interpretation different.
PS There is such a thing as hell in Catholicism, not sure about other Christian faiths, so working towards gaining entry to heaven does form part of Christianity. Again it's all about interpretation of the preachings.
it read like you were linking prophet and diety as the same. I must have misunderstood you.CameronPoe wrote:
They recognise Christ as a prophet. The supreme deity itself is the exact same. There is no difference.
I have to disagree that it is only varying interpretations of the same deity. As I said before, Allah is markedly different from Jehovah. As I understand it, Muslims believe Allah is unknowable, aloof from mankind. Jehovah, in direct contrast, desires a relationship with His Creation.
Hell exists in Christianity and the way to salvation is by simple belief in Jesus Christ and acceptance of His death as the only payment for one’s sin – nothing else. No list of good works, no recitation of mantras, etc etc.
In contrast, Islam requires good works (if the good outweighs the bad, then you’re in) and just plain luck to get to Heaven. Why luck? Because Muslims believe Allah chooses whether to forgive or damn a person even if he/she follows all the teachings of Mohammad and possibly even if they’re a martyr for Islam.
In order for life to have appeared spontaneously on earth, there first had to be hundreds of millions of protein molecules of the ninth configuration. But given the size of the planet Earth, do you know how long it would have taken for just one of these protein molecules to appear entirely by chance? Roughly ten to the two hundred and forty-third power billions of years. And I find that far, far more fantastic than simply believing in God.
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Just for your information, that is a demonstrable thing, in the near future... super computers, chemical modeling, & physical experiments are being done right now - to that end. The abiogenisis problem is an experiment that is being done right now (5-15 years +/-, for results). If you think Evolution is something you either believe in or you don't. It isn't.Braddock wrote:
In order for life to have appeared spontaneously on earth, there first had to be hundreds of millions of protein molecules of the ninth configuration. But given the size of the planet Earth, do you know how long it would have taken for just one of these protein molecules to appear entirely by chance? Roughly ten to the two hundred and forty-third power billions of years. And I find that far, far more fantastic than simply believing in God.
But that in no way conflicts with belief in God.
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I worship my dog. It's about as psychotic as worshiping a guy in the sky.
That's actually a quote from the movie 'The Ninth Configuration' (http://imdb.com/title/tt0081237/), which is actually quite in favour of the idea of a God but I liked that quote as it kind of sums up my attitude to the universe. There is so much in this life that is truly, truly amazing that to give some 'God-figure' all the credit is just too easy. Why is Mother Nature not treated like a God in the traditional sense? There is much more tangible evidence in this life of 'Mother Nature'. I worship science and reality, I find them amazing.topal63 wrote:
Just for your information, that is demonstrable thing, in the near future... super computers and chemical modeling, & physical experiments are being done right now - to that end. The abiogenisis problem is an experiment that is being done right now (5-15 years +/-, for results). If you think Evolution is something you either believe in or you don't - you are sadly & utterly misinformed.Braddock wrote:
In order for life to have appeared spontaneously on earth, there first had to be hundreds of millions of protein molecules of the ninth configuration. But given the size of the planet Earth, do you know how long it would have taken for just one of these protein molecules to appear entirely by chance? Roughly ten to the two hundred and forty-third power billions of years. And I find that far, far more fantastic than simply believing in God.
But that in no way conflicts with belief in God.
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Dionysius
Haruhi suzumiya.
OP asked about peoples' god. How Islam, Judaism and Christianity became mixed up in this thread is amazing. You did realize that religion and god are mutually exclusive ideas?
How about this for a theory. God is an amorphous one cells organism that used to inhabit a huge chunk of rock. One day he was lonely and divided - Adam. Later he divided again - Eve. Some time later he became mad and destoyed the chunk of rock (mysteriously) - casting out of the garden of eden.
How about this for a theory. God is an amorphous one cells organism that used to inhabit a huge chunk of rock. One day he was lonely and divided - Adam. Later he divided again - Eve. Some time later he became mad and destoyed the chunk of rock (mysteriously) - casting out of the garden of eden.