Superslim
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ATG wrote:

What's your unofficial response?
Lol.


Yeah, those wacky Frogs. I remember my dad telling me twenty years ago that France was a socialist-communist country. Today they call it a welfare state.

This does seem rather ominous. Could it be that a crack down on the radical Muslims is in the works and they don't want footage???
LMAO  my unoffical response.................hmmm..... bang a couple of French Bitches...........lol

But seriously...... , nah.........I wanna get laid and Fench chicks are cute and easy
-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|7073|Quebec city, Canada
You guys often put the Statue of Liberty in your patriotic symbols and all...

This statue is from France btw.

You also forget that France helped you in your independance war by brigning some discipline and order.

Some people have a short memory...

just stop bashing them.. its just pointless and it shows the ego you guys have...

Last edited by -=raska=- (2007-03-07 00:07:22)

Yaocelotl
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Kmar
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-=raska=- wrote:

You guys often put the Statue of Liberty in your patriotic symbols and all...

This statue is from France btw.

You also forget that France helped you in your independance war by brigning some discipline and order.

Some people have a short memory...

just stop bashing them.. its just pointless and it shows the ego you guys have...
Everyone gets a bashing from time to time in the DST forums.
Lighten Up
https://i17.tinypic.com/2mq6oah.jpg

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-03-07 00:14:18)

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CameronPoe
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That sounds like complete bullshit. Any other links to the story?
motherdear
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-=raska=- wrote:

You guys often put the Statue of Liberty in your patriotic symbols and all...

This statue is from France btw.

You also forget that France helped you in your independance war by brigning some discipline and order.

Some people have a short memory...

just stop bashing them.. its just pointless and it shows the ego you guys have...
the disciplin and order you frence learned them was stand in a line, fire, reload and repeat. then the rifled rifle came and the frenc fleed (again)
Kmar
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dead_rac00n
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It's not bullshit. What they try to avoid is people filming when they burn cars or riot against the police. Several films were shot with cellphones during riots in 2005 and it is believed that it fed the violent trend in a kind of competitive manner (which city burnt the most cars, broke the most stuff...).
That's what they want to avoid. The article seems to make a dangerous parallel between filming a riot to boast before one's friends and the filming of Rodney King's beating. These are 2 different things.

It shares some traits with the "lois scélérates" of the 3rd Republic, in France, when it was voted that boasting about or egging on violent acts would result in a heavier prison sentence. This was passed to prevent the anarchists to claim freely about their acts (bombs, murders etc...).
dead_rac00n
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motherdear wrote:

the disciplin and order you frence learned them was stand in a line, fire, reload and repeat. then the rifled rifle came and the frenc fleed (again)
What we learned also is "Write so that people can understand what you wrote."

Last edited by dead_rac00n (2007-03-07 00:38:22)

CameronPoe
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France: buck up your ideas. This is abhorrent and despicable. Shame on you France. My respect for France has just been knocked down a peg or two.
HunterOfSkulls
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It may not be on the books here in the US, but try filming cops here.

Just make sure you have good comprehensive insurance that covers emergency room visits and a good lawyer.
Kmar
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HunterOfSkulls wrote:

It may not be on the books here in the US, but try filming cops here.

Just make sure you have good comprehensive insurance that covers emergency room visits and a good lawyer.
Do you have any examples to back your claim?
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HunterOfSkulls
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Sure, gimme a sec

One
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/02 … _10_07.txt

two
http://www.workers.org/2007/us/williams-0308/

three
http://www.cpsr.cs.uchicago.edu/counter … arass.html

four
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/17895

And that's just from a few minutes of Googling. Sure, it's not illegal per se, but they can arrest and detain you for 24 hours on a standard hold, confiscate your camera (most likely destroy the film/wipe the memory) and generally give you a really hard fucking time. You can possibly be charged with "interfering with an officer" or some such but they usually don't take it that far unless you really piss them off. Cops in the US, especially in larger cities do NOT like being filmed, especially if they're arresting someone or working protests.

Last edited by HunterOfSkulls (2007-03-07 01:11:55)

motherdear
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dead_rac00n wrote:

motherdear wrote:

the discipline and order you French learned them was stand in a line, fire, reload and repeat. then the rifled rifle came and the French fled (again)
What we learned also is "Write so that people can understand what you wrote."
well sorry I'll try again.

the discipline and tactics that the French taught the north American army in the civil war, was just the typical tactics that every other army used. but the rifled rifle became normal in the military (and it was much more precise) and the normal tactic of standing on a straight line and shooting and then reloading and then doing it all over again (with an average fire rate of 2 bullets a min (the British could at the height of their military fire 4 bullet an average)) didn't payoff and people began dying like flies, so the us military used the rifled rifle and the French fled because they couldn't adapt to the new tactics. so instead of having two armies standing shooting at each other it changed to a more mobile combat form and you now needed precision instead of firepower.
dead_rac00n
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motherdear wrote:

dead_rac00n wrote:

motherdear wrote:

the discipline and order you French learned them was stand in a line, fire, reload and repeat. then the rifled rifle came and the French fled (again)
What we learned also is "Write so that people can understand what you wrote."
well sorry I'll try again.

the discipline and tactics that the French taught the north American army in the civil war, was just the typical tactics that every other army used. but the rifled rifle became normal in the military (and it was much more precise) and the normal tactic of standing on a straight line and shooting and then reloading and then doing it all over again (with an average fire rate of 2 bullets a min (the British could at the height of their military fire 4 bullet an average)) didn't payoff and people began dying like flies, so the us military used the rifled rifle and the French fled because they couldn't adapt to the new tactics. so instead of having two armies standing shooting at each other it changed to a more mobile combat form and you now needed precision instead of firepower.
Sorry, it was about your spelling, but since you edited your post, that's ok
Back on topic.

Last edited by dead_rac00n (2007-03-07 01:16:23)

Kmar
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HunterOfSkulls wrote:

Sure, gimme a sec

One
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/02 … _10_07.txt

two
http://www.workers.org/2007/us/williams-0308/

three
http://www.cpsr.cs.uchicago.edu/counter … arass.html

four
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/17895

And that's just from a few minutes of Googling. Sure, it's not illegal per se, but they can arrest and detain you for 24 hours on a standard hold, confiscate your camera (most likely destroy the film/wipe the memory) and generally give you a really hard fucking time. You can possibly be charged with "interfering with an officer" or some such but they usually don't take it that far unless you really piss them off. Cops in the US, especially in larger cities do NOT like being filmed, especially if they're arresting someone or working protests.
I understand that, but we are talking about the ability to actually arrest someone and charge them for filming. Sure there are going to be cases in which the police do not want to be filmed, but we have rights that protect those who choose to do so. France is moving in the opposite direction. Cops are filmed all the time here, not only by citizens but by themselves as well (Mounted dash cams).

What France is saying if you film something like this. You can be arrested.
Los Angeles

Shit like that needs to be seen and not restricted by the government.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-03-07 01:20:59)

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HunterOfSkulls
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Give it some time, Rome wasn't built in a day you know.
dead_rac00n
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It's not exactly that. The beginning of the article is misleading. It's not filming the police violence that is becoming  illegal, it's filming violent acts, such as riots, in order to promote it or to challenge others to do better.
Only journalists would be able to film this because it's their job. But anyone filming it in order to create more trouble will be sued. That's what I understand.
Nevertheless, that is a harsh blow to the individuals freedom, and I'm worried that Sarkozy may be our next president, for he is really into that kind of thing.
Remember that this same Sarkozy went into unstable blocks saying to the people he would "clean it up with a Kärscher."
BF2Craglyeye
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I think the filming and punishment thereof, of police violence is an unavoidable by-product of this law

The law itself, it seems, states the recording of violence and distribution therein is illegal, it doesnt seem to say that the recording specifically of police violence is illegal, If you get what i mean.
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dead_rac00n
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BF2Craglyeye wrote:

I think the filming and punishment thereof, of police violence is an unavoidable by-product of this law

The law itself, it seems, states the recording of violence and distribution therein is illegal, it doesnt seem to say that the recording specifically of police violence is illegal, If you get what i mean.
You got it.
dead_rac00n
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« Art. L. 126-3. – Le fait d’occuper en réunion les espaces communs ou les toits des immeubles collectifs d’habitation en entravant délibérément l’accès ou la libre circulation des personnes ou en empêchant le bon fonctionnement des dispositifs de sécurité et de sûreté est puni de deux mois d’emprisonnement et de 3 750 € d’amende.
This one has caused lots of trouble. People in the "citées" (large blocks of buildings) used to gather in the halls of their buildings (I won't tell you why )
This text forbids any gathering of people in common linving spaces. But this is discreminatory, since it was aimed at some people, not at all places. It doesn't apply, technicaly, to wealthier areas.

Constitue une embuscade le fait d’attendre un certain temps et dans un lieu déterminé un fonction­naire de la police nationale, un militaire de la gendarmerie, un membre du personnel de l’administration pénitentiaire ou toute autre personne dépositaire de l’autorité publique, ainsi qu’un sapeur-pompier civil ou militaire ou un agent d’un exploitant de réseau de transport public de voyageurs, dans le but, caractérisé par un ou plusieurs faits matériels, de commettre à son encontre, à l’occasion de l’exercice de ses fonctions ou de sa mission, des violences avec usage ou menace d’une arme.
(...)
« Art. 222-33-3. – Est constitutif d’un acte de complicité des atteintes volontaires à l’intégrité de la personne prévues par les articles 222‑1 à 222‑14‑1 et 222‑23 à 222‑31 et est puni des peines prévues par ces articles le fait d’enregistrer sciemment, par quelque moyen que ce soit, sur tout support que ce soit, des images relatives à la commission de ces infractions.
Exactly what I tried to explain : Filming acts of full-will violence in order to make its apology or to promote it (I'm not sure that's clear...) is prohibited.

EDIT : The first line states that it's illegal to trap a police officer (or any public servant) in order to threaten him or commit acts of violence towards him.
The second part says that filming such acts is prohibited too.

Last edited by dead_rac00n (2007-03-07 01:55:35)

EVieira
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Reciprocity wrote:

'[1stSSF wrote:

They've earned it...just because most of the world makes fun of 'em doesn't mean that they had no reason to exist...while we can all laugh (moridly) about the Vichy Republic and such, the French HAVE had several bloody revolutions against their own aristocracy and have "earned it."
yeah, and the first chance they get, they roll over.  and most of their revolutions just replaced one joke with another joke.  they're almost as bad as Italy when it comes to governments.  they choose to live as a wellfare state, that's fine with me.  they have different priorities.
You do know your own constitution has allot of elements that come from the French revolution and napoleons civil code, right? Yeah, I didn't think so...
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sergeriver
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Bertster7
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Yet surely you could still take such footage before the European courts, where no such stupid rules apply?

Those crazy frogs....

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