unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6974|PNW

Bubbalo wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Except that my point was that it wasn't true.

Seriously, did you even read my post?
No, it is true. While I did not state that everyone has a poor memory, I did bring up the fact that Americans do not have a monopoly on forgetfulness.  Did read, though half of my attention was occupied by the unbalanced ATG moustache in your signature. Perhaps I missed some deep bit of Bubbalo wisdom?
My point is that the dislike for the US has nothing to do with a poor memory: people simply are unwilling to allow a country to do wrong simply because it has been wronged.
But in reality, "allow" has got nothing to do with it, unless you have the political umph to back it up. "Tolerate" or "condone," on the other hand... But back to the beginning of this quote merry-go-round: There's no way the whole story of this thing could be fit into one or two sentences. I am not the one who revived the 9/11 issue, though I thought it amusing to respond in kind. I'm sure you missed the '' tag.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6764
What part of "I consider you wrong" do you not understand?  I didn't miss any tags, I didn't misunderstand your point, I just think that you're wrong.
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|6958|United States of America
I vote we cut all foreign aid and invade all countries such as Iran, North Korea (esp. NK), and of course France.  Africa should stop being given foreign aid, we should stop giving anything to anyone other than the US.  I would like to just watch the rest of the world grow angry and then crawl back asking for aid and help with the distribution etc.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6764
Actually, they'd probably just crack the shits and start attacking the US in any way they can.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6974|PNW

Miller wrote:

I vote we cut all foreign aid and invade all countries such as Iran, North Korea (esp. NK), and of course France.  Africa should stop being given foreign aid, we should stop giving anything to anyone other than the US.  I would like to just watch the rest of the world grow angry and then crawl back asking for aid and help with the distribution etc.
What a great idea! Let the world wither, and then have to spend even more in the future to fix it!

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Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-03-06 17:04:33)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6803|132 and Bush

Miller wrote:

I vote we cut all foreign aid and invade all countries such as Iran, North Korea (esp. NK), and of course France.  Africa should stop being given foreign aid, we should stop giving anything to anyone other than the US.  I would like to just watch the rest of the world grow angry and then crawl back asking for aid and help with the distribution etc.
Would that include Israel? They get the biggest chunk.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|6958|United States of America

Kmarion wrote:

Miller wrote:

I vote we cut all foreign aid and invade all countries such as Iran, North Korea (esp. NK), and of course France.  Africa should stop being given foreign aid, we should stop giving anything to anyone other than the US.  I would like to just watch the rest of the world grow angry and then crawl back asking for aid and help with the distribution etc.
Would that include Israel? They get the biggest chunk.
Nope, give more aid to them.  Make sure they kick Palestines ass. Then they can do whatever they want.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6803|132 and Bush

Miller wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Miller wrote:

I vote we cut all foreign aid and invade all countries such as Iran, North Korea (esp. NK), and of course France.  Africa should stop being given foreign aid, we should stop giving anything to anyone other than the US.  I would like to just watch the rest of the world grow angry and then crawl back asking for aid and help with the distribution etc.
Would that include Israel? They get the biggest chunk.
Nope, give more aid to them.  Make sure they kick Palestines ass. Then they can do whatever they want.
They don't need our money to do that.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|6958|United States of America

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Miller wrote:

I vote we cut all foreign aid and invade all countries such as Iran, North Korea (esp. NK), and of course France.  Africa should stop being given foreign aid, we should stop giving anything to anyone other than the US.  I would like to just watch the rest of the world grow angry and then crawl back asking for aid and help with the distribution etc.
What a great idea! Let the world go to hell in a hand-basket, then have to spend even more in the future to fix it!
I think they will realize just how much they need from the US and then actually show some respect, and who said we would help again anyway?
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|6958|United States of America

Kmarion wrote:

Miller wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Would that include Israel? They get the biggest chunk.
Nope, give more aid to them.  Make sure they kick Palestines ass. Then they can do whatever they want.
They don't need our money to do that.
Giving them more speeds up the process of their "world domination" and gets rid of the loving radicals in Palestine.
cospengle
Member
+140|6690|Armidale, NSW, Australia
lol @ Australia's view of India. Well, if the methodology for sampling in Australia wasn't via telephone (probably from an Indian call-center) the results might have been different.
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6565|Vancouver
Sure, Vancouver is great, but the rest of Canada doesn't deserve such a favourable opinion.
sfarrar33
Halogenoalkane
+57|6821|InGerLand

stryyker wrote:

Knowing the BBC, I'm surprised the US wasn't 1st.
how does that apply at all
28,000 people from different countries and cultures all over the world
NOT people from within the BBC headquarters itself

though i do wonder why the EU and GB are on the list since they are not countries

lol i wonder why Lebanon has a negative opinion of Israel...
haha can't think why Greece hates us either, though i wonder why Spain's opinion isn't more negative of us

Q. why does France hate Russia so much?
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6974|PNW

Miller wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Miller wrote:

I vote we cut all foreign aid and invade all countries such as Iran, North Korea (esp. NK), and of course France.  Africa should stop being given foreign aid, we should stop giving anything to anyone other than the US.  I would like to just watch the rest of the world grow angry and then crawl back asking for aid and help with the distribution etc.
What a great idea! Let the world go to hell in a hand-basket, then have to spend even more in the future to fix it!
I think they will realize just how much they need from the US and then actually show some respect, and who said we would help again anyway?
Sort of like letting a dependent loose to teach her appreciation, only to later find her turning tricks in your back yard. Sounds cool, let's do it!

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-03-06 17:28:24)

CaptainMike
It's just a flesh wound
+45|6848|Canada

Drakef wrote:

Sure, Vancouver is great, but the rest of Canada doesn't deserve such a favourable opinion.
Have you left Vancouver at all lately? I would have to completely disagree and turn your quote around. Though, Vancouver is nice.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6969|UK

usmarine2007 wrote:

Invaderzim wrote:

Flecco wrote:

We have a bad rep. as international travellers... See below for reason.

we're in ur countries, stealin' ur alcohols!

Nah, it's because we are so close to the US... and general arrogance (you think Americans are arrogant... BAHAHAHA!).
I tend to dissagree, I went on a tour in Germany and they sppke in GErman the whole time and abused us because they thought we were American. When we finished the tour we said we're Australian and they acctualy gave us our money back coz they were being suck fucktards towards us.
lol. My flat mate is from Munich and all his German friends talk about WWII as much as anyone else, they dont associate their generation with something done by a different one. Something it seems the Irish and Americans cant seem to get over.
Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|6895|Calgary

daffytag wrote:

ShawN_ wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

3. EU
Top 5 >>countries<< ???
Yeah I noticed that too. Since when was the EU a country?
Sure, why not......lol
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6969|UK

superfly_cox wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

It's all just too much interference. The US is too concerned with trying to control the whole world and make it work the way they want. That is not what the inhabitants of other countries want, they want their own country, not some offshoot of America.

That is why foreign perceptions of the US are so bad.
You know what, you're absolutely right, the US does want to impose their ideology of liberal democracy and trans-atlantic values on others.  And exactly how do you know what the inhabitants of other countries want? Have you ever lived in a communist country or a country ruled by a dictator to know what the inhabitants of those countries want?  There are 12 new countries in the European Union who would disagree with you about America's desire to shape the world according to their ideology.
One of the most badly thought out posts in this thread yet... "the US does want to impose their ideology of liberal democracy and trans-atlantic values on others." "And exactly how do you know what the inhabitants of other countries want?" Um ok... wtf surely thats either a. a major contradiction, or b. an admission that the Americans are attempting to have their own colony's of sort.

Maybe you should think about your own comment "And exactly how do you know what the inhabitants of other countries want?". Please explain how YOU know what they want and thus can choose to "impose their ideology of liberal democracy and trans-atlantic values on others."
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6887|United States of America

Vilham wrote:

lol. My flat mate is from Munich and all his German friends talk about WWII as much as anyone else, they dont associate their generation with something done by a different one. Something it seems the Irish and Americans cant seem to get over.
First of all, it is a cartoon taken out of context. Also, World War II was somewhat important and somehow an issue largely of common knowledge. However, Irish? Wtf?
UGADawgs
Member
+13|6524|South Carolina, US

DesertFox423 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

lol. My flat mate is from Munich and all his German friends talk about WWII as much as anyone else, they dont associate their generation with something done by a different one. Something it seems the Irish and Americans cant seem to get over.
First of all, it is a cartoon taken out of context. Also, World War II was somewhat important and somehow an issue largely of common knowledge. However, Irish? Wtf?
I don't know if it's a reference to the Northern Ireland conflict or a more subtle reference to Ireland's neutrality in WWII, but either way it's not a very good analogy.
Archer
rapes face
+161|6627|Canuckistan
Canada, woot.
superfly_cox
soup fly mod
+717|6984

Vilham wrote:

superfly_cox wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

It's all just too much interference. The US is too concerned with trying to control the whole world and make it work the way they want. That is not what the inhabitants of other countries want, they want their own country, not some offshoot of America.

That is why foreign perceptions of the US are so bad.
You know what, you're absolutely right, the US does want to impose their ideology of liberal democracy and trans-atlantic values on others.  And exactly how do you know what the inhabitants of other countries want? Have you ever lived in a communist country or a country ruled by a dictator to know what the inhabitants of those countries want?  There are 12 new countries in the European Union who would disagree with you about America's desire to shape the world according to their ideology.
One of the most badly thought out posts in this thread yet... "the US does want to impose their ideology of liberal democracy and trans-atlantic values on others." "And exactly how do you know what the inhabitants of other countries want?" Um ok... wtf surely thats either a. a major contradiction, or b. an admission that the Americans are attempting to have their own colony's of sort.

Maybe you should think about your own comment "And exactly how do you know what the inhabitants of other countries want?". Please explain how YOU know what they want and thus can choose to "impose their ideology of liberal democracy and trans-atlantic values on others."
because i was born in a communist country and without US efforts during the cold war my country and half of europe would still be living under communism.  you may want to read about the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 to understand how the citizens of Central and Eastern Europe were imprisoned by communism for 45 years.  so it seems that you have "one of the most badly thought out posts on this thread" since i'd already mentioned this before.

Btw, trans-atlantic values include democracy, of respect for basic human rights, the rule of law, tolerance, and an appreciation of diversity.  These are the values that, whether we argue or not, bind Europe and the United States.  Are you saying that the majority of citizen of any country on this planet would not want to live in countries where this set of values are not respected?  I believe immigration occurs away from countries without these values and towards countries with them.

its sad that this thread has eroded into anti-americanism.  i'm pretty balanced in my views and i've admitted that the US has made plenty of mistakes along the way. i am far from the staunch pro-american that cameronpoe and co. would make me out to be cause there's plenty of things that i dislike about america and its policies, but to put them in the company of Iran and North Korea is to ignore all the positive things they have done over the last 100 years.  if you can't appreciate that then fine, but know that as much as i disagree with French policy over the last 60 years i would never put them in the same company as Iran and North Korea.
Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|6752|EUtopia | Austria

Miller wrote:

Africa should stop being given foreign aid
Tell me, how would you try to stop the EU giving humanitarian aid to Africa?

DesertFox423 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

lol. My flat mate is from Munich and all his German friends talk about WWII as much as anyone else, they dont associate their generation with something done by a different one. Something it seems the Irish and Americans cant seem to get over.
First of all, it is a cartoon taken out of context. Also, World War II was somewhat important and somehow an issue largely of common knowledge.
Well, certainly the cartoon is taken out of context, but don't you think it might somewhat annoy people being displayed in this way - and I also feel that kinda many people tend not to realize that the generation of today is certainly not shy to talk these things out, simply because we (yes, also people in Austria can talk) are aware of what has happened and it's not us to be blamed for history.
So I'd rather appreciate not everything happening in the world today being compared to WWI and WWII, just for the sake of justifying it. Presence is way closer to our future than the past.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6784|SE London

superfly_cox wrote:

Vilham wrote:

superfly_cox wrote:


You know what, you're absolutely right, the US does want to impose their ideology of liberal democracy and trans-atlantic values on others.  And exactly how do you know what the inhabitants of other countries want? Have you ever lived in a communist country or a country ruled by a dictator to know what the inhabitants of those countries want?  There are 12 new countries in the European Union who would disagree with you about America's desire to shape the world according to their ideology.
One of the most badly thought out posts in this thread yet... "the US does want to impose their ideology of liberal democracy and trans-atlantic values on others." "And exactly how do you know what the inhabitants of other countries want?" Um ok... wtf surely thats either a. a major contradiction, or b. an admission that the Americans are attempting to have their own colony's of sort.

Maybe you should think about your own comment "And exactly how do you know what the inhabitants of other countries want?". Please explain how YOU know what they want and thus can choose to "impose their ideology of liberal democracy and trans-atlantic values on others."
because i was born in a communist country and without US efforts during the cold war my country and half of europe would still be living under communism.  you may want to read about the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 to understand how the citizens of Central and Eastern Europe were imprisoned by communism for 45 years.  so it seems that you have "one of the most badly thought out posts on this thread" since i'd already mentioned this before.

Btw, trans-atlantic values include democracy, of respect for basic human rights, the rule of law, tolerance, and an appreciation of diversity.  These are the values that, whether we argue or not, bind Europe and the United States.  Are you saying that the majority of citizen of any country on this planet would not want to live in countries where this set of values are not respected?  I believe immigration occurs away from countries without these values and towards countries with them.

its sad that this thread has eroded into anti-americanism.  i'm pretty balanced in my views and i've admitted that the US has made plenty of mistakes along the way. i am far from the staunch pro-american that cameronpoe and co. would make me out to be cause there's plenty of things that i dislike about america and its policies, but to put them in the company of Iran and North Korea is to ignore all the positive things they have done over the last 100 years.  if you can't appreciate that then fine, but know that as much as i disagree with French policy over the last 60 years i would never put them in the same company as Iran and North Korea.
No one is disputing that the US has done a lot of good for the world. There are numerous countries that can and should be very grateful to the US. There are other countries for whom the opposite holds true. The US has probably done the most good in Europe, through NATO ventures as part of the cold war (as well as WWII of course, where American supplies and lives in Normandy played in important role in victory) and in Eastern Asia where, again combating the spread of communism, the US has done a lot of important stuff.

There are other regions of the globe where Americas influence has not been so well received. Often down to sudden policy switches or incompatibilities in each others agendas, much like with Al Qaeda. In many other areas US interference has caused nothing but perpetual trouble, without any real periods of success, such as in South America.

It is whether these well and ill perceived actions balance each other out that is what matters and peoples perceptions of America will vary drastically depending on the good or bad side of America they have experienced. This poll does probably not demonstrate that very well.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6732|Global Command

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