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superfly_cox wrote:

How quickly people tend to forget things like:

1) WWI
2) WWII
3) Reconstruction of Europe/Japan
4) Cold War/Communism

Nothing the US has done in the past 15 years warrants a world poll that puts the USA in such negative company.

Look at all those countries that were polled and if you put their collective positive accomplishments from the past 100 years together you would no even come close to what the USA has done for modern civilization.

You want to disagree with US policy.  Fine.  But show some fucking respect and don't group em with Iran and North Korea cause its American money and blood which allows most of us around the world to be where we are today.

American money allows what now? America is just as reliant on money from other countries as the rest of the world is on American money. We live in a global economy.

As a means of explaining the poll results:

Hitler could hypothetically have spent 10 years committing great acts of kindness before deciding to kill 6 million jews and trying take over the world. You are judged both on your past acts and your PRESENT acts. The US has acted very reprehensibly of late, wiping out decades of goodwill almost instantly.

usmarine2007 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

The US has acted very reprehensibly of late, wiping out decades of goodwill almost instantly.

Yes, those damn US suicide bombers.

That's right - it's more 'moral' if you do the bombing from 10,000ft up in the air. Silly me.

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

The US has acted very reprehensibly of late, wiping out decades of goodwill almost instantly.

Yes, those damn US suicide bombers.

That's right - it's more 'moral' if you do the bombing from 10,000ft up in the air. Silly me.

You sound just like them, it is kind of interesting.  We do not INTENTIONALLY set out to kill innocent people.  We spend billions making bombs more accurate.  You want to compare that to packing a trunk full of explosives with the absoulte intention of killing innocent people?

usmarine2007 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Yes, those damn US suicide bombers.

That's right - it's more 'moral' if you do the bombing from 10,000ft up in the air. Silly me.

You sound just like them, it is kind of interesting.  We do not INTENTIONALLY set out to kill innocent people.  We spend billions making bombs more accurate.  You want to compare that to packing a trunk full of explosives with the absoulte intention of killing innocent people?

It's not all about the killing of civilians - it's about sanctioning torture, violating the sovereignty of other nations, undermining the governments of other nations, constantly beating a war drum, being hypocritical and supporting state terrorists and other cruel dictatorships that are of strategic value. I'm not in the minority here - you are. But you are American. Then again more than 50% of America disagrees with the current direction of the country so you probably really are in a super-duper minority opinion-wise.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-03-06 06:03:52)

usmarine2007 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

It's not all about the killing of civilians - it's about sanctioning torture, violating the sovereignty of other nations, undermining the governments of other nations, constantly beating a war drum, being hypocritical and supporting state terrorists and other cruel dictatorships that are of strategic value. I'm not in the minority here - you are. But you are American. Then again more than 50% of America disagrees with the current direction of the country so you probably really are in a super-duper minority opinion-wise.

Ya, I guess a history of sitting back and doing nothing at all is more impressive.

Why must people think that you must be 'doing nothing' if you aren't running around the world killing as many people as you possibly can? War isn't generally very constructive usmarine, or haven't you noticed. Ever considered bolstering border security? Being more principled, diplomatic and less hypocritical so that you earn the respect of other countries? Thought not.

PS Your approach certainly isn't 'impressing' anyone by the looks of things.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-03-06 06:08:06)

CameronPoe wrote:

Why must people think that you must be 'doing nothing' if you aren't running around the world killing as many people as you possibly can? War isn't generally very constructive usmarine, or haven't you noticed. Ever considered bolstering border security? Being more principled, diplomatic and less hypocritical so that you earn the respect of other countries? Thought not.

Why didn't you guys go stop all the BS in Bosnia?  Why did you just sit back and wait? 

Why aren't you in Africa trying to help?  Just sitting back and waiting again?

I won't even start to mention WWII.

usmarine2007 wrote:

Why didn't you guys go stop all the BS in Bosnia?  Why did you just sit back and wait? 

Why aren't you in Africa trying to help?  Just sitting back and waiting again?

I won't even start to mention WWII.

I'm an isolationist. I'll send my charity money to Africa but that's about the height of it as far as I'm concerned. Effort is wasted on those countries - they need to grow, be more responsible and take care of themselves. There was no benovolent overseer helping Europe through the dark ages. Mollycoddling them is only harming them in the long run as they can continue to shirk responsibility or continue to put up with corrupt and dictatorial leaders. They'll only end up resenting you for helping them anyway.

Bosnia? Slightly different story in that they are PART of Europe. We probably should have done something about it but meh what good does it really do. All the UN have done is put a lid on ethnic tensions that are never going to go away. Violence will return to Bosnia believe you me - that battle has not been done and dusted. External intervention only delays the inevitable and breeds resentment.

superfly_cox wrote:

How quickly people tend to forget things like:

1) WWI
2) WWII
3) Reconstruction of Europe/Japan
4) Cold War/Communism

Nothing the US has done in the past 15 years warrants a world poll that puts the USA in such negative company.

Look at all those countries that were polled and if you put their collective positive accomplishments from the past 100 years together you would no even come close to what the USA has done for modern civilization.

You want to disagree with US policy.  Fine.  But show some fucking respect and don't group em with Iran and North Korea cause its American money and blood which allows most of us around the world to be where we are today.

CameronPoe wrote:

American money allows what now? America is just as reliant on money from other countries as the rest of the world is on American money. We live in a global economy.

American money rebuilt Europe and Japan.  You live in a free, democratic and prosperous europe because of the USA.

CameronPoe wrote:

As a means of explaining the poll results:

Hitler could hypothetically have spent 10 years committing great acts of kindness before deciding to kill 6 million jews and trying take over the world. You are judged both on your past acts and your PRESENT acts. The US has acted very reprehensibly of late, wiping out decades of goodwill almost instantly.

If you want to judge the US based on essentially 5 years of poor foreign policy by the US then that is your prerogative.  Disagree with the US, but don't demonize an entire nation and what it stands for. 

btw, i find is laughable that you proudly wear the CCCP t-shirt considering you have very little understanding of what that period of history meant to many people.

superfly_cox wrote:

If you want to judge the US based on essentially 5 years of poor foreign policy by the US then that is your prerogative.  Disagree with the US, but don't demonize an entire nation and what it stands for. 

btw, i find is laughable that you proudly wear the CCCP t-shirt considering you have very little understanding of what that period of history meant to many people.

The Marshall Plan was one of the most selfless and benevolent gestures ever to grace the surface of the planet and Europe is thankful for that. But you can't live off one good deed for the rest of eternity. Opinions change when people see things happening that they regard as immoral or reprehensible. Don't take this to heart or anything - I'm just explaining why the worlds opinion of the US has changed so dramatically.

PS It's an item of clothing. Get over it. I know that period of history very well incidentally.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-03-06 06:41:09)

Braddock wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Why didn't you guys go stop all the BS in Bosnia?  Why did you just sit back and wait?

Why aren't you in Africa trying to help?  Just sitting back and waiting again?

I won't even start to mention WWII.

Bit of a cheek talking about sitting about and waiting when the US didn't pull it's finger out of its ass until it was attacked itself. The US are always harping on about how Europeans aren't grateful enough for America 'saving' us, maybe you should thank us ...you done quite well financially out of the loans given to rebuild Europe!

The US reminds me of an angry young man, full of life and energy but without the life experience that old man Europe has; perhaps in time they may grow to be a mature and more level-headed super power. You don't have to gauge your success on the world stage by how much destruction you can inflict on other parts of the world. You don't have to flex your muscles all the time.

Didn't answer the questions.

usmarine2007 wrote:

Didn't answer the questions.

I thought poe did a good enough job of that, I was just picking you up on the last point.

Braddock wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Didn't answer the questions.

I thought poe did a good enough job of that, I was just picking you up on the last point.

My last point wasn't about saving any country.  You brought that up.

cameronpoe wrote:

Because if you concentrate on defending yourself and your own then they shouldn't bother you. Mollycoddling them does them no good and, as demonstrated in the middle east, does you no good. QED.

All you should do is play fair with the rest of the world, hoping they develop and prosper as a result, and impose crippling sanctions on countries whose governments are acting immorally. Only attack in defence -never aggressively - but with that policy one must ensure at all times that you are militarily superior to everyone else.

Exactly. My attitude in everyday life too. Mind your own business and you can't go too far wrong, if someone gets in your face then fair enough, crush them ...and do it with a clear conscience as they left you no alternative.

I don't think there's any point intervening in situations like Bosnia when we let countries like Israel do what they like and reward them with special treatment, why act like hypocrites.