It's a misinterpretation like this that leads to persecution. Every person has free will. God has no control over the decisions people make. Same as why voters didn't elect Catholics because they thought that we were somehow bound to obey the pope as a god.usmarine2007 wrote:
Ask them why God allows kids to be tortured and murdered for example. Then, when they say it is the work of the devil, ask then why God cannot overpower the devil.
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Because we are the devil. And satan is a way for humans to shift blame on something other then themselves.usmarine2007 wrote:
Ask them why God allows kids to be tortured and murdered for example. Then, when they say it is the work of the devil, ask then why God cannot overpower the devil.
You really don't get Christianity at all, do you? Besides which, there are many religions which aren't monotheistic. Also, you don't get the point of faith, but then neither does the original poster. Religion cannot be proven or disproven, and debating it is pointless.usmarine2007 wrote:
Ask them why God allows kids to be tortured and murdered for example. Then, when they say it is the work of the devil, ask then why God cannot overpower the devil.
Yea.. arguing with someone who strongly believes in greater powers is awesome you will get all those super duper fun answers as "god is almighty noone knows what he has in mind...." or noone but god knows the answer" just makes me wanna go crazy at them.Bubbalo wrote:
You really don't get Christianity at all, do you? Besides which, there are many religions which aren't monotheistic. Also, you don't get the point of faith, but then neither does the original poster. Religion cannot be proven or disproven, and debating it is pointless.usmarine2007 wrote:
Ask them why God allows kids to be tortured and murdered for example. Then, when they say it is the work of the devil, ask then why God cannot overpower the devil.
QFT.Bubbalo wrote:
Religion cannot be proven or disproven, and debating it is pointless.
If it's Scientology you do battle with, you've already lost. It is too late for them.d4rkst4r wrote:
In my life, I know alot people that are religious, but whenever I attempt to approach them with this topic, they simply will not listen to anyone else and believe everyone is wrong but themselves. My question is, how do you approach these people to get them to listen and not resort to very loud arguing?
Oh jeez...boo f*ckin' hoo, marine. Are you going to blame everything on God now (even if only theoretically)? If God does exist and you meet Him after death, are you going to put on an angst-ridden Harry Potter 'WHY ME' rampage in front of his tolerant-but-wearied Dumbledorean features?usmarine2007 wrote:
Ask them why God allows kids to be tortured and murdered for example. Then, when they say it is the work of the devil, ask then why God cannot overpower the devil.
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Free will.usmarine2007 wrote:
Ask them why God allows kids to be tortured and murdered for example. Then, when they say it is the work of the devil, ask then why God cannot overpower the devil.
only do this if you are looking for a long drawn out argument that you can always bring up with the person if you dont have anything to talk about, and dont mind a little frustration.d4rkst4r wrote:
In my life, I know alot people that are religious, but whenever I attempt to approach them with this topic, they simply will not listen to anyone else and believe everyone is wrong but themselves. My question is, how do you approach these people to get them to listen and not resort to very loud arguing?
QFEiamangry wrote:
Don't.
Ah yes, the other common answer. If God controls the universe, but people have "free will," then what the hell is he controlling? Essentially, he is not controlling anything if people have free will to do what they want right?=ST6=Phrozenbot wrote:
Free will.usmarine2007 wrote:
Ask them why God allows kids to be tortured and murdered for example. Then, when they say it is the work of the devil, ask then why God cannot overpower the devil.
Boo hoo? WTF am I crying about? And what am I blaming on god?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Oh jeez...boo f*ckin' hoo, marine. Are you going to blame everything on God now (even if only theoretically)? If God does exist and you meet Him after death, are you going to put on an angst-ridden Harry Potter 'WHY ME' rampage in front of his tolerant-but-wearied Dumbledorean features?usmarine2007 wrote:
Ask them why God allows kids to be tortured and murdered for example. Then, when they say it is the work of the devil, ask then why God cannot overpower the devil.
12 years of catholic school, so I understand all to well.Bubbalo wrote:
You really don't get Christianity at all, do you? Besides which, there are many religions which aren't monotheistic. Also, you don't get the point of faith, but then neither does the original poster. Religion cannot be proven or disproven, and debating it is pointless.usmarine2007 wrote:
Ask them why God allows kids to be tortured and murdered for example. Then, when they say it is the work of the devil, ask then why God cannot overpower the devil.
Ah yes, the free will get out clause.usmarine2007 wrote:
Ah yes, the other common answer. If God controls the universe, but people have "free will," then what the hell is he controlling? Essentially, he is not controlling anything if people have free will to do what they want right?=ST6=Phrozenbot wrote:
Free will.usmarine2007 wrote:
Ask them why God allows kids to be tortured and murdered for example. Then, when they say it is the work of the devil, ask then why God cannot overpower the devil.
There is no argument. When a person is an extremist, a fanatical, he is beyond reason. Without reason, there is no argument. Its pointless.d4rkst4r wrote:
In my life, I know alot people that are religious, but whenever I attempt to approach them with this topic, they simply will not listen to anyone else and believe everyone is wrong but themselves. My question is, how do you approach these people to get them to listen and not resort to very loud arguing?