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2007-03-03 07:20:56
Bertster7
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stef10 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


Peaceful?  Not when I was there, but that was 9 years ago.  If it is peaceful, it is becuase all the tribes the stonger tribe didn't like are all dead or displaced.
Fair enough. I suppose Algeria, Somalia and the Sudan count as enough trouble spots. But there are just as many Christian trouble spots in more southern regions. You also get additional problems directly caused by Christianity in Africa, for example the witch burnings in South Africa throughout the '90s, where many hundreds of women were burnt to death.
You can not say that it is caused by Christanity because Christanity does not support that.
It is caused by crazy people doing it in the name of Christanity.
Christianity does not support it?

Only done by crazy people doing it in the name of Christianity?

Where've I heard that before? Oh yes, crazy suicide bombers doing it in the name of Islam.

What's your point? If that is a valid argument for these problems not being caused by Christianity then it is equally valid in the case of suicide bombers - but you can't have it both ways. Which is it?
2007-03-03 07:21:32
CameronPoe
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usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


I don't give a toss what percentage is what dude.  The majority of the current problems are the islamic states / countries /governments in Africa.
No they're not.
Somalia?
Zimbabwe? Christian.
Nigeria? Half and half.
Uganda? Christian.
Democratic Republic of Congo? Christian.
South Africa? Christian.

All fucked up countries.
2007-03-03 07:21:43
stef10
Member
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CameronPoe wrote:

stef10 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Fair enough. I suppose Algeria, Somalia and the Sudan count as enough trouble spots. But there are just as many Christian trouble spots in more southern regions. You also get additional problems directly caused by Christianity in Africa, for example the witch burnings in South Africa throughout the '90s, where many hundreds of women were burnt to death.
You can not say that it is caused by Christanity because Christanity does not support that.
It is caused by crazy people doing it in the name of Christanity.
Much like you can't blame Islam for the fact certain places are failed states.
That is right. Islam as Christanity are peacefull religions but some people choose to invert their true meaning.
I really do not have an explanation for why.


Bertser look here. You can not give religion the responsibility of the wrong things that are happening if the religion does not support it. It is caused by people who choose to invert the religion and take it to other people.

Last edited by stef10 (2007-03-03 07:24:32)

2007-03-03 07:22:41
CameronPoe
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stef10 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

stef10 wrote:


You can not say that it is caused by Christanity because Christanity does not support that.
It is caused by crazy people doing it in the name of Christanity.
Much like you can't blame Islam for the fact certain places are failed states.
That is right. Islam as Christanity are peacefull religions but some people choose to invert their true meaning.
I really do not have an explanation for why.
Because the world is full of fucked up people.
2007-03-03 07:24:33
Bertster7
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usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


I don't give a toss what percentage is what dude.  The majority of the current problems are the islamic states / countries /governments in Africa.
No they're not.
Somalia?
What about it?

There are horrible problems there, much like in Algeria and the Sudan. That doesn't change the fact there are at least as many other problems in Christian states in Africa.
2007-03-03 07:24:39
usmarine2007
Banned
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CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


No they're not.
Somalia?
Zimbabwe? Christian.
Nigeria? Half and half.
Uganda? Christian.
Democratic Republic of Congo? Christian.
South Africa? Christian.

All fucked up countries.
UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I don't care what country is what FFS.  Will you guys please get that thru your heads.  I have seen the roaming islamic tribes with my own eyes, and they have no affiliation with any country/government.  Last time I checked, christians in Africa in 2006 did not kill people for watching soccer.
2007-03-03 07:26:09
Bertster7
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stef10 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

stef10 wrote:

You can not say that it is caused by Christanity because Christanity does not support that.
It is caused by crazy people doing it in the name of Christanity.
Much like you can't blame Islam for the fact certain places are failed states.
That is right. Islam as Christanity are peacefull religions but some people choose to invert their true meaning.
I really do not have an explanation for why.


Bertser look here. You can not give religion the responsibility of the wrong things that are happening if the religion does not support it. It is caused by people who choose to invert the religion and take it to other people.
That is precisely the point I have been trying to make.

The problem is not to do with religion, as I said earlier:

Bertster7 wrote:

I'm pointing out that the problem is not Islam, it's Africa. There are evenly distributed trouble spots across the continent. There is nothing to suggest their problems have anything to do with religion. There is a lot to suggest the problems across the continent have been compounded by Western imperialism and the exploitation of resources in Africa by the West, along with endemic corruption.
You've done a great job of proving my point for me.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-03-03 07:27:26)

2007-03-03 07:27:31
CameronPoe
Member
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usmarine2007 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Somalia?
Zimbabwe? Christian.
Nigeria? Half and half.
Uganda? Christian.
Democratic Republic of Congo? Christian.
South Africa? Christian.

All fucked up countries.
UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I don't care what country is what FFS.  Will you guys please get that thru your heads.  I have seen the roaming islamic tribes with my own eyes, and they have no affiliation with any country/government.  Last time I checked, christians in Africa in 2006 did not kill people for watching soccer.
No they do other stuff like raping babies because of the rumour that having sex with virgins cures AIDS.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1710592.stm

Let's not forget Rwanda and Burundi. Lovely Christian people. Take a machete to each other if their skin isn't dark enough or their forehead is a certain size and shape.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-03-03 07:29:18)

2007-03-03 07:29:16
Bertster7
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CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Zimbabwe? Christian.
Nigeria? Half and half.
Uganda? Christian.
Democratic Republic of Congo? Christian.
South Africa? Christian.

All fucked up countries.
UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I don't care what country is what FFS.  Will you guys please get that thru your heads.  I have seen the roaming islamic tribes with my own eyes, and they have no affiliation with any country/government.  Last time I checked, christians in Africa in 2006 did not kill people for watching soccer.
No they do other stuff like raping babies because of the rumour that having sex with virgins cures AIDS.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1710592.stm
Or burning women because they're witches.

Or just the general murdering and raping....
2007-03-03 07:29:19
usmarine2007
Banned
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So, it is just a interesting coincidence that cities / governments / countries that practice islamic law kill people for watching soccer, mutilate a woman's clit, think of women as servants, put people in jail for writing a blog, etc.
2007-03-03 07:29:31
stef10
Member
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Okay, I am sorry but I thought your opinion was that it was caused by religion since you said that the problems in a praticular country was caused by Christanity.


It may be caused by those people who first used Islam must have had a completey wrong thought and understanding about it.

But I am starting to think that those problems in some places in Africa is cause by crazy ass tradition for old religions used bu tribes.

Last edited by stef10 (2007-03-03 07:32:45)

2007-03-03 07:32:20
CameronPoe
Member
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usmarine2007 wrote:

So, it is just a interesting coincidence that cities / governments / countries that practice islamic law kill people for watching soccer, mutilate a woman's clit, think of women as servants, put people in jail for writing a blog, etc.
Well people like you would have us believe it's not a coincidence. You seem to glide over the atrocities in Christian countries in Africa to suit your agenda. Do us a favour and buddy up with some decent muslims. Your general view of Islam is warped.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-03-03 07:33:10)

2007-03-03 07:32:24
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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stef10 wrote:

Okay, I am sorry but I thought your opinion was that it was caused by religion since you said that the problems in a praticular country was caused by Christanity.
No, I was using Christianity as a contrasting example to Islam and pointing out that if you're demonising Islam for the attrocities commited in Africa because of it then you have to condemn Christianity too. Otherwise it's just plain hypocritical (or ignorant).
2007-03-03 07:33:19
usmarine2007
Banned
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Bertster7 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I don't care what country is what FFS.  Will you guys please get that thru your heads.  I have seen the roaming islamic tribes with my own eyes, and they have no affiliation with any country/government.  Last time I checked, christians in Africa in 2006 did not kill people for watching soccer.
No they do other stuff like raping babies because of the rumour that having sex with virgins cures AIDS.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1710592.stm
Or burning women because they're witches.

Or just the general murdering and raping....
Please God, I beg you two.  Take away countries that are majority christian in Africa.  I am just talking about the islamic ones.  If you want to make a thread about how christianity is destroying Africa, fine.  But this is about muslims and islamic law.  I am not comparing religions, I hate religion.
2007-03-03 07:33:34
stef10
Member
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Bertster7 wrote:

stef10 wrote:

Okay, I am sorry but I thought your opinion was that it was caused by religion since you said that the problems in a praticular country was caused by Christanity.
No, I was using Christianity as a contrasting example to Islam and pointing out that if you're demonising Islam for the attrocities commited in Africa because of it then you have to condemn Christianity too. Otherwise it's just plain hypocritical (or ignorant).
Oh, okay.

Cameronpoe you are doing some rough lowblowes towards marine.

You can not call him a racist.

Last edited by stef10 (2007-03-03 07:35:05)

2007-03-03 07:34:43
sfarrar33
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The answer is that the western world (not just America) is fucking the Arab world up
why?
the sad truth of it is because no one listens to us historians when we say 'look this didn't work in the past and it isn't going to work now'
history just repeats itself in the same way the topic of Israel and Palestine repeats itself in these forums
2007-03-03 07:35:06
CameronPoe
Member
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usmarine2007 wrote:

Please God, I beg you two.  Take away countries that are majority christian in Africa.  I am just talking about the islamic ones.  If you want to make a thread about how christianity is destroying Africa, fine.  But this is about muslims and islamic law.  I am not comparing religions, I hate religion.
Actually marine this thread was supposed to be a 'why are America rampaging through the middle east?' thread, not one focussing on failed states in the horn of Africa, but I guess that doesn't really matter to you.
2007-03-03 07:37:09
Bertster7
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usmarine2007 wrote:

So, it is just a interesting coincidence that cities / governments / countries that practice islamic law kill people for watching soccer, mutilate a woman's clit, think of women as servants, put people in jail for writing a blog, etc.
Is it coincidental that you ignore all the attrocities happening elsewhere in Christian African states?

The UN describe the conflict in the Democratic (yeah right) Republic of Congo as the bloodiest conflict since WWII with more than 4 million dead so far and 1000 more dying a day.

They're Christian though, so of course it's not a problem.
2007-03-03 07:38:28
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6658|Columbus, Ohio

Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

So, it is just a interesting coincidence that cities / governments / countries that practice islamic law kill people for watching soccer, mutilate a woman's clit, think of women as servants, put people in jail for writing a blog, etc.
Is it coincidental that you ignore all the attrocities happening elsewhere in Christian African states?

The UN describe the conflict in the Democratic (yeah right) Republic of Congo as the bloodiest conflict since WWII with more than 4 million dead so far and 1000 more dying a day.

They're Christian though, so of course it's not a problem.
I don't ignore anything.  I have ALWAYS criticized ALL religions, especially in Africa.  But, for this particular post, I was talking about islamic states.
2007-03-03 07:39:53
jonsimon
Member
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usmarine2007 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


Not in the troubled spots.  And it is kind of hard to judge religion there, since there are people displaced all over.
Regardless, it was the christian white man that fucked africa up.
No.  It was diamonds and religion that fucked Africa up.
Right, the diamond industry controlled by the christian white man.
2007-03-03 07:40:36
--->[Your]Phobia<---
Member
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

Since you are Muslim maybe I can ask you a question. When are these jihadist lowlife freaks going to stop terrorizing countries? When will they stop killing innocent people? When will they stop teaching their youth that it is acceptable to kill westerners just because they think it is right? And when will they start not smelling like nasty ass body odor?
No 1) How the fck is he suppose to know when freaks will stop jihading? Its like asking the Irish when will the IRA stop, they don't fckin know they are not responsible, its the extremists groups i.e the IRA
No 2) Terrorist attacks are not carried out just on the west  they are done regardless or faith, religion, country what ever you want.
An example Terrorists blow up bombs, shootings, kidnaps in India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, and who are the victims? Muslims. Oh sorry you won’t know that will you, guess you been watching too much CNN and FOX.
ffs when will narrow minded people like you, usmarine and lowing come to some sense of reality.

Last edited by --->[Your]Phobia<--- (2007-03-03 07:41:37)

2007-03-03 07:42:44
Bertster7
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usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


No they do other stuff like raping babies because of the rumour that having sex with virgins cures AIDS.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1710592.stm
Or burning women because they're witches.

Or just the general murdering and raping....
Please God, I beg you two.  Take away countries that are majority christian in Africa.  I am just talking about the islamic ones.  If you want to make a thread about how christianity is destroying Africa, fine.  But this is about muslims and islamic law.  I am not comparing religions, I hate religion.
My point - as I have repeated numerous times - is not anything to do with Christianity being responsible for the problems in Africa. It is that religion is not responsible for the problems in Africa.

I've been providing contasting examples of at least equally bad problems in Christian countries and trying to show that the problem does not stem from religion - as you earlier argued that the problems in Africa were caused by Islam. Since the problems in Africa are far from being unique to Islamic countries you cannot use blame Islam for them any more than you can blame Christianity for them in the Christian states. What you can blame is Western imperialism and exploitation.
2007-03-03 07:43:48
ATG
Banned
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Surkill wrote:

I am a Muslim, and I really seriously think that the way America is handling the Middle East would simply increase Muslim readicalism.
I think that America took total advantage of Iraq. Saddam already lost the Gulf War, and his country was made to pay with all the sanctions. How the country was destroyed simply reflects America's greed.
I am not anti American, but I condemn America's policies in the Middle East.
And, America has always been one sided to Israel. I think Jimmy Carter's book says it all that Israel does practice Aparthied against Palestinians. Ignorant bigot, antisemite, jihadist, call me whatever you want, but in truth I do see the actions of America's policies.
Saddam gave money to the families of suicide bombers that attacked Israel.

Other countries should  note that this is not acceptable and may result in war with the United States.

Mission accomplished.
2007-03-03 07:43:53
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6658|Columbus, Ohio

Bertster7 wrote:

What you can blame is Western imperialism and exploitation.
France and England?
2007-03-03 07:44:01
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6872|SE London

sfarrar33 wrote:

The answer is that the western world (not just America) is fucking the Arab world up
why?
the sad truth of it is because no one listens to us historians when we say 'look this didn't work in the past and it isn't going to work now'
history just repeats itself in the same way the topic of Israel and Palestine repeats itself in these forums
Spot on.

 

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