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2007-03-03 06:51:49
madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7001|Sweden

stef10 wrote:

madmurre wrote:

stef10 wrote:


I do not care if Israel has apartheid. I just know that jews are fucking mad that somebody stole their land.
And I get even more mad when Hamas say its their land and they want Israel to suffer a terrible death.
It was Israels land so they are just taking back what they really have.
Read up on some history and politics, and you might understand it´s quite complex. heh and stole their land? pfft.
Stfu.

You really should get a masters in history if you think you are so smart.

To make a long story fast.

Israel had the land.

Romans came and slaughtered and made them leave the land.

Syrians and others came and entered.

If I should make the call Israel should get the land back but in a peacefull way. No massacres.
You can´t just throw away a bunch of people in a peaceful way most if not all would have fought back. And stealing a country can´t really see what you mean then i can say USA stole Iraq?, Countries have been conquered and seized in the past before most country's today would´nt exist if they was´nt.

I agree that the Jews deserve their own country but what the hell do people expect? the Palestinians to leave their homes with a big smile on their face. Won´t continue this "discussion" however been covered 1000 times here already.

We can agree that we disagree.
2007-03-03 06:52:44
stef10
Member
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jonsimon wrote:

stef10 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Everywhere you use the world 'Israel' substitute 'Palestine' and where you say 'Hamas' use instead 'Israel'.

Now you're right.
You my boy are an ignorant individual.
Says the kid that doesn't know Israel is the one stealing the land from Palestinians and slowly wiping them out.
I can clearly see that you are one of those that only see yours opinion as the right one.
You should really learn how this was from the start. Read the bible.

Now your answer may be: No, how can you be a noob reading the bible. It is untrue and is a book of stone and fire.

But I find that it gives a good picture of how it was and should be IMHO.

To the post above.

No, of cource we can not make anyone leave "their home" but I mean if would be fantastic if it would be possible.

But I certainly do not accept that the Palestinians say that this only our home and anyone entering will be killed. It is like what Hamas say and IMHO they are completely insane people that I rather see in prison

Last edited by stef10 (2007-03-03 06:56:03)

2007-03-03 06:55:00
usmarine2007
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jonsimon wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Most of Africa is Christian.
Not in the troubled spots.  And it is kind of hard to judge religion there, since there are people displaced all over.
Regardless, it was the christian white man that fucked africa up.
No.  It was diamonds and religion that fucked Africa up.
2007-03-03 06:56:06
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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stef10 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


Do you not understand Saddam made MILLIONS of the oil for food sanctions?  FACT

Saddam was respponsible for mass killings, rape rooms, etc .  FACT

Jimmy Carter is responsible for the rise of the Taliban.  FACT

Islamic world destroys itself.  For example, Africa.  FACT
Most of Africa is Christian.
Now it is you that do not have a clue. Islam is rising praticular fast in Africa. More and more lands would be called Islamic contries. And remember all of the religions the tribes have. So Christianity is not so widespread as you might think.

Wiki wrote:

Christianity has existed in Africa for two millennia and is today the most practiced religion on the continent.
2007-03-03 06:57:13
usmarine2007
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Bertster7 wrote:

Wiki wrote:

Christianity has existed in Africa for two millennia and is today the most practiced religion on the continent.
IN THE TROUBLED SPOTS.  For Example, Somalia, where they kill people for watching soccer.
2007-03-03 06:59:00
stef10
Member
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Okay I can clearly see what kind of guy Jonsimon is. He may be one of those who support Islam and dispise
Christianity. But I really do not care. Go be a Muslim.
2007-03-03 06:59:16
Macca
Cylons' my kinda frak
+72|6736|Australia.
I read two pages of this and thought..

"I'm glad I'm Pastafarian."
2007-03-03 07:00:23
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6872|SE London

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Wiki wrote:

Christianity has existed in Africa for two millennia and is today the most practiced religion on the continent.
IN THE TROUBLED SPOTS.  For Example, Somalia, where they kill people for watching soccer.
You wouldn't call the Congo (which is about as big as western Europe) a trouble spot? Or Zimbabwe? Or Angola?

Nothern Africa (the mostly Islamic bit) - apart from a few places like Somalia - is mostly peacefull.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-03-03 07:02:39)

2007-03-03 07:01:49
stef10
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Bertster7 wrote:

stef10 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


Most of Africa is Christian.
Now it is you that do not have a clue. Islam is rising praticular fast in Africa. More and more lands would be called Islamic contries. And remember all of the religions the tribes have. So Christianity is not so widespread as you might think.

Wiki wrote:

Christianity has existed in Africa for two millennia and is today the most practiced religion on the continent.
Look here that necessarily is not true. They only base the country as Christian or Islamic. It is all about how the goverment works.
2007-03-03 07:02:38
usmarine2007
Banned
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Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


IN THE TROUBLED SPOTS.  For Example, Somalia, where they kill people for watching soccer.
You wouldn't call the Congo a trouble spot? Or Zimbabwe?

Nothern Africa (the mostly Islamic bit) - apart from a few places like Somalia - is mostly peacefull.
Peaceful?  Not when I was there, but that was 9 years ago.  If it is peaceful, it is becuase all the tribes the stonger tribe didn't like are all dead or displaced.
2007-03-03 07:07:04
stef10
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I just saw at Wikipidia that 40% are Islamic and 46% are Christians. But that must only be in countries.
2007-03-03 07:08:22
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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stef10 wrote:

I just saw at Wikipidia that 40% are Islamic and 46% are Christians. But that must only be in countries.
They're all in countries.
2007-03-03 07:09:25
usmarine2007
Banned
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stef10 wrote:

I just saw at Wikipidia that 40% are Islamic and 46% are Christians. But that must only be in countries.
I have no doubt.   Not sure what Bert is arguing.  I never said all of Africa was Islam.  I said an example of the Islamic world destroying itself is Africa.  For example, Somalia.
2007-03-03 07:09:34
stef10
Member
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But that is completely dumb calculation. They generalize.
2007-03-03 07:10:25
usmarine2007
Banned
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Bertster7 wrote:

stef10 wrote:

I just saw at Wikipidia that 40% are Islamic and 46% are Christians. But that must only be in countries.
They're all in countries.
What is the point anyway?  I said the islamic world in Africa, not implying that all countries are islamic.

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2007-03-03 07:11:00)

2007-03-03 07:11:08
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6872|SE London

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


IN THE TROUBLED SPOTS.  For Example, Somalia, where they kill people for watching soccer.
You wouldn't call the Congo a trouble spot? Or Zimbabwe?

Nothern Africa (the mostly Islamic bit) - apart from a few places like Somalia - is mostly peacefull.
Peaceful?  Not when I was there, but that was 9 years ago.  If it is peaceful, it is becuase all the tribes the stonger tribe didn't like are all dead or displaced.
Fair enough. I suppose Algeria, Somalia and the Sudan count as enough trouble spots. But there are just as many Christian trouble spots in more southern regions. You also get additional problems directly caused by Christianity in Africa, for example the witch burnings in South Africa throughout the '90s, where many hundreds of women were burnt to death.
2007-03-03 07:12:33
usmarine2007
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Bertster7 wrote:

Fair enough. I suppose Algeria, Somalia and the Sudan count as enough trouble spots. But there are just as many Christian trouble spots in more southern regions. You also get additional problems directly caused by Christianity in Africa, for example the witch burnings in South Africa throughout the '90s, where many hundreds of women were burnt to death.
I don't give a toss what percentage is what dude.  The majority of the current problems are the islamic states / countries /governments in Africa.

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2007-03-03 07:12:55)

2007-03-03 07:13:51
CameronPoe
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Surkill wrote:

I am a Muslim, and I really seriously think that the way America is handling the Middle East would simply increase Muslim readicalism.
I think that America took total advantage of Iraq. Saddam already lost the Gulf War, and his country was made to pay with all the sanctions. How the country was destroyed simply reflects America's greed.
I am not anti American, but I condemn America's policies in the Middle East.
And, America has always been one sided to Israel. I think Jimmy Carter's book says it all that Israel does practice Aparthied against Palestinians. Ignorant bigot, antisemite, jihadist, call me whatever you want, but in truth I do see the actions of America's policies.
Basically it's because:

a) AIPAC (Zionist lobby group) controls American politics and foreign policy;
b) America are afraid oil will be traded in a stronger currency like the euro thereby causing the dollar to collapse and, as a consequence, the American economy;
c) Money - military contracts, oil contracts, construction contracts, investment opportunities, etc.

Problem is that they were too stupid to realise than no-one, NO-ONE, likes it when another country tries to take advantage of you, irrespective of how you dress it up (i.e. 'liberation'). The Iraqis may not have liked Saddam but they should have agitated to have him removed themselves - not allow the Americans to come in like 'Knights in Shining Armour' and free the Iraqis (and their resources and the fact that Iraqi oil cannot now be traded in euros!).

That's basically it. Instead of chasing Osama, Bush & Co. thought they might use the 'war on terror' excuse to plunder Iraq and set up a strategic satellite state in the middle east from which they could protect Israel. They failed. LOL.
2007-03-03 07:14:20
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6872|SE London

usmarine2007 wrote:

stef10 wrote:

I just saw at Wikipidia that 40% are Islamic and 46% are Christians. But that must only be in countries.
I have no doubt.   Not sure what Bert is arguing.  I never said all of Africa was Islam.  I said an example of the Islamic world destroying itself is Africa.  For example, Somalia.
I'm pointing out that the problem is not Islam, it's Africa. There are evenly distributed trouble spots across the continent. There is nothing to suggest their problems have anything to do with religion. There is a lot to suggest the problems across the continent have been compounded by Western imperialism and the exploitation of resources in Africa by the West, along with endemic corruption.
2007-03-03 07:14:23
stef10
Member
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Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


You wouldn't call the Congo a trouble spot? Or Zimbabwe?

Nothern Africa (the mostly Islamic bit) - apart from a few places like Somalia - is mostly peacefull.
Peaceful?  Not when I was there, but that was 9 years ago.  If it is peaceful, it is becuase all the tribes the stonger tribe didn't like are all dead or displaced.
Fair enough. I suppose Algeria, Somalia and the Sudan count as enough trouble spots. But there are just as many Christian trouble spots in more southern regions. You also get additional problems directly caused by Christianity in Africa, for example the witch burnings in South Africa throughout the '90s, where many hundreds of women were burnt to death.
You can not say that it is caused by Christanity because Christanity does not support that.
It is caused by crazy people doing it in the name of Christanity.
2007-03-03 07:17:48
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6872|SE London

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Fair enough. I suppose Algeria, Somalia and the Sudan count as enough trouble spots. But there are just as many Christian trouble spots in more southern regions. You also get additional problems directly caused by Christianity in Africa, for example the witch burnings in South Africa throughout the '90s, where many hundreds of women were burnt to death.
I don't give a toss what percentage is what dude.  The majority of the current problems are the islamic states / countries /governments in Africa.
No they're not.
2007-03-03 07:18:21
CameronPoe
Member
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stef10 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


Peaceful?  Not when I was there, but that was 9 years ago.  If it is peaceful, it is becuase all the tribes the stonger tribe didn't like are all dead or displaced.
Fair enough. I suppose Algeria, Somalia and the Sudan count as enough trouble spots. But there are just as many Christian trouble spots in more southern regions. You also get additional problems directly caused by Christianity in Africa, for example the witch burnings in South Africa throughout the '90s, where many hundreds of women were burnt to death.
You can not say that it is caused by Christanity because Christanity does not support that.
It is caused by crazy people doing it in the name of Christanity.
Much like you can't blame Islam for the fact certain places are failed states.
2007-03-03 07:18:52
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6658|Columbus, Ohio

Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Fair enough. I suppose Algeria, Somalia and the Sudan count as enough trouble spots. But there are just as many Christian trouble spots in more southern regions. You also get additional problems directly caused by Christianity in Africa, for example the witch burnings in South Africa throughout the '90s, where many hundreds of women were burnt to death.
I don't give a toss what percentage is what dude.  The majority of the current problems are the islamic states / countries /governments in Africa.
No they're not.
Somalia?
2007-03-03 07:19:32
stef10
Member
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Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Fair enough. I suppose Algeria, Somalia and the Sudan count as enough trouble spots. But there are just as many Christian trouble spots in more southern regions. You also get additional problems directly caused by Christianity in Africa, for example the witch burnings in South Africa throughout the '90s, where many hundreds of women were burnt to death.
I don't give a toss what percentage is what dude.  The majority of the current problems are the islamic states / countries /governments in Africa.
No they're not.
That may be true or not. Surely you hear a lot more about Islamic states doing awfull thing against the popularity beu remember it is the media.
2007-03-03 07:20:54
Strngs012
Could I have 10,000 marbles please
+40|6709|Florida

Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Surkill wrote:

I am a Muslim, and I really seriously think that the way America is handling the Middle East would simply increase Muslim readicalism.
I think that America took total advantage of Iraq. Saddam already lost the Gulf War, and his country was made to pay with all the sanctions. How the country was destroyed simply reflects America's greed.
I am not anti American, but I condemn America's policies in the Middle East.
And, America has always been one sided to Israel. I think Jimmy Carter's book says it all that Israel does practice Aparthied against Palestinians. Ignorant bigot, antisemite, jihadist, call me whatever you want, but in truth I do see the actions of America's policies.
Do you not understand Saddam made MILLIONS of the oil for food sanctions?  FACT

Saddam was respponsible for mass killings, rape rooms, etc .  FACT

Jimmy Carter is responsible for the rise of the Taliban.  FACT

Islamic world destroys itself.  For example, Africa.  FACT
Most of Africa is Christian.
And of the Christians living in the Sudan, do you think they are living happy jpyous lives? I think not.
http://allthings2all.blogspot.com/2006/ … r-axe.html I haven't read this mans book, nor do I need to, because I know him and have heard his life story personally.

 

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