Our Government ignoring it to protect business makes me want to. It equates simply to our leaders selling us out.ATG wrote:
Those pictures make me want to vomit.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I agree except, I'm not being protected, I'm being screwed.
I don't want this.
I don't want this.
I was speaking of larger business. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but it is the only logical explanation one can come to given the fact that most Americans see this as a real problem and yet there is no strong policy in place. Business's like Bank of America can get away with the direct marketing to illegals in our country.ATG wrote:
I agree except, I'm not being protected, I'm being screwed.
I don't want this.
Kmarion wrote:
I know some may not like Glenn beck, but he nailed it this morning.
http://stormsurge.us/glenn/Beck.html
This is an ugly side of Capitalism.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I heard it splained like this;
The social security system is already broke.
The feds rake in mountains of cash from payroll withholding from bogus SS numbers, making them able to cut checks to grandma now.
You and I are screwed when we get old.
The social security system is already broke.
The feds rake in mountains of cash from payroll withholding from bogus SS numbers, making them able to cut checks to grandma now.
You and I are screwed when we get old.
I have never planned on SS, brother I hope your not neither. I wish I could just place that money where I would like for the future but we know thats not going to happen.ATG wrote:
I heard it splained like this;
The social security system is already broke.
The feds rake in mountains of cash from payroll withholding from bogus SS numbers, making them able to cut checks to grandma now.
You and I are screwed when we get old.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
The only people who aren't getting screwed here are the ones making money.
The average American worker is screwed because employers can hire other workers who can be paid shit wages, denied insurance, denied unionization, denied a safe working environment and denied pretty much anything an American worker is due by law.
The immigrants are screwed because the trades that would normally support them back home are being gutted by economic deals only beneficial to American businesses. Also, they have the knowledge that if they speak out of line their American employer will be on the phone to INS so fast the number buttons will melt from friction, plus a good chunk of the nation they're working in completely despises them and views them all as criminal, disease-spreading scum.
The people entrusted to provide a solution have no interest in doing so. It would gain them nothing, so a solution is not going to come from our government. As far as solutions, I'll tell you what aren't solutions. Walls and fences are not a solution. Neither is a bunch of dumpy guys in cammies sitting in lawn chairs with their guns and binoculars. We need to pressure our government to stop colluding with the corrupt Mexican government until they clean up their act and to stop burying their markets with our farm surpluses. Until then, it's not going to change.
The average American worker is screwed because employers can hire other workers who can be paid shit wages, denied insurance, denied unionization, denied a safe working environment and denied pretty much anything an American worker is due by law.
The immigrants are screwed because the trades that would normally support them back home are being gutted by economic deals only beneficial to American businesses. Also, they have the knowledge that if they speak out of line their American employer will be on the phone to INS so fast the number buttons will melt from friction, plus a good chunk of the nation they're working in completely despises them and views them all as criminal, disease-spreading scum.
The people entrusted to provide a solution have no interest in doing so. It would gain them nothing, so a solution is not going to come from our government. As far as solutions, I'll tell you what aren't solutions. Walls and fences are not a solution. Neither is a bunch of dumpy guys in cammies sitting in lawn chairs with their guns and binoculars. We need to pressure our government to stop colluding with the corrupt Mexican government until they clean up their act and to stop burying their markets with our farm surpluses. Until then, it's not going to change.
Nuke Mexico?
ATG gets tooled up Rambo stylee.
Its quite obvious that you are very passionate about this issue as you live so close. Its impossible for one man to do anything but get frustrated unfortunately.
The problem lies in the exploitation of South America over the years by the US & Europe. Something which is thankfully slowing down. By suppressing/replacing elected governments to strip resources, funneling the countries money out through big corporations or into corrupt regimes while economically exploding with growth yourself makes South and central Americans very envious...........and I wouldn't blame them.
The only solution I can see is to Economically annex Mexico. Invest in Mexico something similar to the EU say bringing Turkey or Poland in from the cold. Bring them up to the same level. Its not a quick fix. Its going to take a generation so it doesn't solve ATG immediate problems. If Mexico was brought up to the same economic levels, then their borders would become porous from the south and then efforts should be made to economically annex the smaller central and south American states.
Its a Socialist solution to a capitalist problems, so sadly it will probably never happen.
I am not a socialist a Communist or a capitalist..............I am a little bit of each and I think a socity mixing a little of each is the way forward for the planet.
Its quite obvious that you are very passionate about this issue as you live so close. Its impossible for one man to do anything but get frustrated unfortunately.
The problem lies in the exploitation of South America over the years by the US & Europe. Something which is thankfully slowing down. By suppressing/replacing elected governments to strip resources, funneling the countries money out through big corporations or into corrupt regimes while economically exploding with growth yourself makes South and central Americans very envious...........and I wouldn't blame them.
The only solution I can see is to Economically annex Mexico. Invest in Mexico something similar to the EU say bringing Turkey or Poland in from the cold. Bring them up to the same level. Its not a quick fix. Its going to take a generation so it doesn't solve ATG immediate problems. If Mexico was brought up to the same economic levels, then their borders would become porous from the south and then efforts should be made to economically annex the smaller central and south American states.
Its a Socialist solution to a capitalist problems, so sadly it will probably never happen.
I am not a socialist a Communist or a capitalist..............I am a little bit of each and I think a socity mixing a little of each is the way forward for the planet.
South America has been exploited by its leaders!!!!!!!! Once again someone blaming successful nations for the degredation of nations that cant get their shit together!!
There is no reason Mexicans should have to leave their homeland for work elsewhere!! They have natural resources, oil, lots of land, gold reserves, infastructure etc. etc. etc.
They have been around longer as a country than the USA, yet they still cant get it together!!! Its their own FAULT!!! I am tired of them outsourcing their shithole economy and poor people to the United States! ENOUGH ALREADY!!
The other South American countries arent as well off as say Mexico, but its not like they cant be self sufficient!! I am tired of the blame game!! Clean up your side of the street, stop blaming others (namely USA and Europe) for your own countries bad business decisions!!
Bottom line is the South Americans have been duped into continually voting/being subjected to power hungry dictators over and over again. Those who dissent are essentially skrewed!! Look at frigging Venezuela, and how that country is being handled!!
I'm not saying the USA and Europe arent at fault somewhat, but for christs sake, those (south american) countries are independent and have resources, its not like they are a "North Korea" and have virtually nothing to export except weapons etc.
There is no reason Mexicans should have to leave their homeland for work elsewhere!! They have natural resources, oil, lots of land, gold reserves, infastructure etc. etc. etc.
They have been around longer as a country than the USA, yet they still cant get it together!!! Its their own FAULT!!! I am tired of them outsourcing their shithole economy and poor people to the United States! ENOUGH ALREADY!!
The other South American countries arent as well off as say Mexico, but its not like they cant be self sufficient!! I am tired of the blame game!! Clean up your side of the street, stop blaming others (namely USA and Europe) for your own countries bad business decisions!!
Bottom line is the South Americans have been duped into continually voting/being subjected to power hungry dictators over and over again. Those who dissent are essentially skrewed!! Look at frigging Venezuela, and how that country is being handled!!
I'm not saying the USA and Europe arent at fault somewhat, but for christs sake, those (south american) countries are independent and have resources, its not like they are a "North Korea" and have virtually nothing to export except weapons etc.
Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-03-01 03:22:36)
Nice yet not surprising. Blame America for the Piece of shit elected government of Mexico. The only solution is to annex Mexico? The EU might be in the business of importing corruption and poverty but there are clearly other solutions out there. It is possible to turn the faucet off by giving the guys on the border the proper man power, leverage, and equipment to do their job. We have the capability but this is not happening now. Keep your solutions to our immigration problems on your side of the pond. No offense but we would rather address our problems rather than submitting to them. Once our administration gets their head out of their ass that is. Sadly as I stated before I think we are being sold out. Hopefully we will here some real solutions as the politicians address this problem when the next election comes around.JahManRed wrote:
ATG gets tooled up Rambo stylee.
Its quite obvious that you are very passionate about this issue as you live so close. Its impossible for one man to do anything but get frustrated unfortunately.
The problem lies in the exploitation of South America over the years by the US & Europe. Something which is thankfully slowing down. By suppressing/replacing elected governments to strip resources, funneling the countries money out through big corporations or into corrupt regimes while economically exploding with growth yourself makes South and central Americans very envious...........and I wouldn't blame them.
The only solution I can see is to Economically annex Mexico. Invest in Mexico something similar to the EU say bringing Turkey or Poland in from the cold. Bring them up to the same level. Its not a quick fix. Its going to take a generation so it doesn't solve ATG immediate problems. If Mexico was brought up to the same economic levels, then their borders would become porous from the south and then efforts should be made to economically annex the smaller central and south American states.
Its a Socialist solution to a capitalist problems, so sadly it will probably never happen.
I am not a socialist a Communist or a capitalist..............I am a little bit of each and I think a socity mixing a little of each is the way forward for the planet.
Last edited by Kmarion (2007-03-01 03:39:31)
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Heres a solution thats more realistic than nuking Mexico:
A great big wall.
Not some piddly little thing that doesn't even cover the entire border and is only chainlink in place, but a HUGE thing...10-15 metres...sorry, yards high in all places, made of reinforced concrete, walkways along its entire length, guard towers every so often...heaps of spotlights, cameras (NV capability), barbed/razor wire halfway up the wall etc...clear the ground a hundred yards either side to make tunnelling difficult, put ground sensors in likely tunnelling points. Stick plenty of 24/7 manned machineguns on it of course.
Back it up with cheap UAVs, choppers and ground patrols.
Then, once its built, start a deportation program. Start hunting out and deporting illegals, but at the same time tell them they can leave willingly and without harrassment at the border if they front up and say "I'm an illegal immigrant from Mexico, can I go home?"
Hell, imagine the power you'd generate if you stuck those multispectral solar panels along its entire length!
"The great wall of America"; the next wonder of the world!
A great big wall.
Not some piddly little thing that doesn't even cover the entire border and is only chainlink in place, but a HUGE thing...10-15 metres...sorry, yards high in all places, made of reinforced concrete, walkways along its entire length, guard towers every so often...heaps of spotlights, cameras (NV capability), barbed/razor wire halfway up the wall etc...clear the ground a hundred yards either side to make tunnelling difficult, put ground sensors in likely tunnelling points. Stick plenty of 24/7 manned machineguns on it of course.
Back it up with cheap UAVs, choppers and ground patrols.
Then, once its built, start a deportation program. Start hunting out and deporting illegals, but at the same time tell them they can leave willingly and without harrassment at the border if they front up and say "I'm an illegal immigrant from Mexico, can I go home?"
Hell, imagine the power you'd generate if you stuck those multispectral solar panels along its entire length!
"The great wall of America"; the next wonder of the world!
Last edited by Pubic (2007-03-01 03:48:26)
Half of Irelands young population used to jump ship to either America or England to work illegally. This trend went on since the founding fathers set foot on US soil. Its why we have such a low population. Traditionally young Irish families immigrated, illegally and legally in search of a better life. The UK and US being the most popular destinations. Now after all these years, the immigration of the Irish population has stopped, even went the other way, with English construction workers now coming here to make more money. And Irish immigrants returning home en mass.
Europe economically annexed Ireland through various socialist economic funds and helped by some good tax breaks we went from being officially a 2nd world country to being a competitor on the global market in 25 years.
Mexico is a much larger nation and their are a whole load of differences, but I am taking a working example used here and suggesting it be tried on "your side of the pond". Militarising one of your two borders or building a Berlin type wall seams to be the only suggestions I have heard so solve the problem.
Europe economically annexed Ireland through various socialist economic funds and helped by some good tax breaks we went from being officially a 2nd world country to being a competitor on the global market in 25 years.
Mexico is a much larger nation and their are a whole load of differences, but I am taking a working example used here and suggesting it be tried on "your side of the pond". Militarising one of your two borders or building a Berlin type wall seams to be the only suggestions I have heard so solve the problem.
There are no such things as "cheap" UAV's, ground patrols, choppers, not to mention the actual construction of such a wall!! It would be a billion dollar venture that may or may NOT work. . .Pubic wrote:
Heres a solution thats more realistic than nuking Mexico:
A great big wall.
Not some piddly little thing that doesn't even cover the entire border and is only chainlink in place, but a HUGE thing...10-15 metres...sorry, yards high in all places, made of reinforced concrete, walkways along its entire length, guard towers every so often...heaps of spotlights, cameras (NV capability), barbed/razor wire halfway up the wall etc...clear the ground a hundred yards either side to make tunnelling difficult, put ground sensors in likely tunnelling points. Stick plenty of 24/7 manned machineguns on it of course.
Back it up with cheap UAVs, choppers and ground patrols.
Then, once its built, start a deportation program. Start hunting out and deporting illegals, but at the same time tell them they can leave willingly and without harrassment at the border if they front up and say "I'm an illegal immigrant from Mexico, can I go home?"
Hell, imagine the power you'd generate if you stuck those multispectral solar panels along its entire length!
"The great wall of America"; the next wonder of the world!
I am all for more bodies patrolling, fixing areas of the border that have been degraded over time, and perhaps adding more fence etc. to spots that have high traffic of illegals. But that takes leadership, passing of bills in various state legislatures, and money. . . Right now no politician wants to offend anyone, cause they know the latin vote in their respective states is huge.
It also starts by allow those that are here already an ability to pay a fine for crossing illegally and getting on with their lives!! Set a number for an appropriate fine for the illegal to pay, if they pay it, they instantly are elligible to apply for papers (i.e. visa's, green cards/depending on how long they have been here). This puts in motion people getting their drivers license, insurance (so we dont have assholes with no insurance crashing into people) etc. etc. etc. Cause lets face it, they arent leaving, and their is no way we can deport 13 or 14 million illegals out of California!!
I am not advocating amnesty! I am advocating sensibility and responsibility in dealing with this tough situation. There needs to be some tough calls made, unfortunately we dont have anyone in office who has balls and sensibility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In regards to the berlin wall. . . . .is that thing still around today?? would that really be a viable non divisive way to handle the situation. . .I mean we havent built a wall separating ourselves from Canada. . . I think a wall does send the wrong message, we are a nation of immigrants!!! We allow the more immigrants than any other nation. I just want people to come here LEGALLY and register themselves, learn english, work, assimilate. . .its not that hard!!!
The Mexicans want to cut corners, our government is giving them a pass, and its hurting our nation as a result!!
Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-03-01 04:06:44)
I understand what you are saying but it is not nearly as simple as taking your example and making a carbon copy of it over here. Mexico in no way resembles Ireland. The country has very, very serious problems. The economic demise is only the start. The corruption is embedded in many aspects of the government. Drug running across the border now is at record highs. And quite honestly with health care the way it is now America could not afford to take them under their wing if they wanted to. Mexico needs to clean their house and make it more appeasing for it's citizens, and we need to deploy more resources to the border.JahManRed wrote:
Half of Irelands young population used to jump ship to either America or England to work illegally. This trend went on since the founding fathers set foot on US soil. Its why we have such a low population. Traditionally young Irish families immigrated, illegally and legally in search of a better life. The UK and US being the most popular destinations. Now after all these years, the immigration of the Irish population has stopped, even went the other way, with English construction workers now coming here to make more money. And Irish immigrants returning home en mass.
Europe economically annexed Ireland through various socialist economic funds and helped by some good tax breaks we went from being officially a 2nd world country to being a competitor on the global market in 25 years.
Mexico is a much larger nation and their are a whole load of differences, but I am taking a working example used here and suggesting it be tried on "your side of the pond". Militarising one of your two borders or building a Berlin type wall seams to be the only suggestions I have heard so solve the problem.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Care to explain? I feel that was uncalled for.ATG wrote:
I really don't say this often or lightly, but fuck you.Elamdri wrote:
Seriously, if you want the problem to stop, you have to take down 2 factors
1. Making an example of those who would employ illegal aliens. Scare people into not doing it.
2. Offer a reward to the illegals that would make then turn in their bosses.
Besides, I'm not suggesting you do that. I'm just saying that is what has to happen for the problem to stop. You have to punish those who create the problem, and offer a reward to those who would help stop it. Its simple psychology.
EDIT: .... I feel dumb.....I didn't see that one line in your post....my apologies. I seriously didn't mean this as a personal attack...Elamdri wrote:
Care to explain? I feel that was uncalled for.ATG wrote:
I really don't say this often or lightly, but fuck you.Elamdri wrote:
Seriously, if you want the problem to stop, you have to take down 2 factors
1. Making an example of those who would employ illegal aliens. Scare people into not doing it.
2. Offer a reward to the illegals that would make then turn in their bosses.
Besides, I'm not suggesting you do that. I'm just saying that is what has to happen for the problem to stop. You have to punish those who create the problem, and offer a reward to those who would help stop it. Its simple psychology.
Perhaps then you need incentives for business to employ American workers as well. Tax incentives and the like. Make business not want to use illegals because its more profitable for them to use American workers.
Last edited by Elamdri (2007-03-01 10:51:37)
So what's your solution? Who do you attack first? The illegals that cross the borders or businesses like yours who hire them? I'm not going to call you racist because it's obvious your not but a bit hypocritical.ATG wrote:
I live 93 miles from Tijuanna.
Bell is ten minutes from downtown L.A. It's a city of about 200000 people, like Cudahy. L.A. is one big city of about 40 smaller cities and 25 million people going from Santa Barbara all the way to San Diego and inland 100 miles with hardly a open field.
Our government has failed us in a profound manner.
It should go without saying; if we can't secure our own borders we have no business meddling with others.
The social security system is a complete house of cards.
Call me what you want, I have illegal aliens working for me. They are issued a PIN number instead of a social security number. People in Los Angeles simply cannot function as a busines without illegal aliens. Its just how the system works and it blows. They drive my trucks with no drivers license. The guys who work for the city of Los Angeles trimming the tree's on mayor Viaragossas house are fucking illegal aliens!!!
His address is 649 Lorraine street, 92005 in Hancock Park. .
I would be willing to give anything for a feeling of national security. It starts here, at our border not in the Middle East.
God help us.
Glad that the company I work for played a hand in Ireland's recovery:JahManRed wrote:
Half of Irelands young population used to jump ship to either America or England to work illegally. This trend went on since the founding fathers set foot on US soil. Its why we have such a low population. Traditionally young Irish families immigrated, illegally and legally in search of a better life. The UK and US being the most popular destinations. Now after all these years, the immigration of the Irish population has stopped, even went the other way, with English construction workers now coming here to make more money. And Irish immigrants returning home en mass.
Europe economically annexed Ireland through various socialist economic funds and helped by some good tax breaks we went from being officially a 2nd world country to being a competitor on the global market in 25 years.
Mexico is a much larger nation and their are a whole load of differences, but I am taking a working example used here and suggesting it be tried on "your side of the pond". Militarising one of your two borders or building a Berlin type wall seams to be the only suggestions I have heard so solve the problem.
Jacobs/Babtie - Merrion House in Dublin
Jacobs Cork - Mahon Industrial Estate in Cork.
Word. ATG, as shitty as the situation is, you are part of the problem. Sorry to say it affects your livelihood and you have to do it to compete, but the fact is, you are employing illegals.rawls2 wrote:
So what's your solution? Who do you attack first? The illegals that cross the borders or businesses like yours who hire them? I'm not going to call you racist because it's obvious your not but a bit hypocritical.
And by the way, back to your 50K painter of long gone history, my Mexican painter did a fine job repainting my garage and my neighbors house, thank you very much. And our gardeners do a fine job as well. A good job doesn't have to be expensive. Shitty work are also done by many "legal" contractors.
BTW, Cudahy is one thing, but Bell isn't that bad...
Last edited by Ilocano (2007-03-01 11:30:58)
From the line in your sig I suspect this is a touchy subject.rawls2 wrote:
So what's your solution? Who do you attack first? The illegals that cross the borders or businesses like yours who hire them? I'm not going to call you racist because it's obvious your not but a bit hypocritical.ATG wrote:
I live 93 miles from Tijuanna.
Bell is ten minutes from downtown L.A. It's a city of about 200000 people, like Cudahy. L.A. is one big city of about 40 smaller cities and 25 million people going from Santa Barbara all the way to San Diego and inland 100 miles with hardly a open field.
Our government has failed us in a profound manner.
It should go without saying; if we can't secure our own borders we have no business meddling with others.
The social security system is a complete house of cards.
Call me what you want, I have illegal aliens working for me. They are issued a PIN number instead of a social security number. People in Los Angeles simply cannot function as a busines without illegal aliens. Its just how the system works and it blows. They drive my trucks with no drivers license. The guys who work for the city of Los Angeles trimming the tree's on mayor Viaragossas house are fucking illegal aliens!!!
His address is 649 Lorraine street, 92005 in Hancock Park. .
I would be willing to give anything for a feeling of national security. It starts here, at our border not in the Middle East.
God help us.
I want my government to be honest and up front. I will not suffer excuses or lack of policy or not defending our borders lightly.
If the goal is to unite the countries of North America, come out and say it and put it up for debate, don't silently let it happen by not having a policy, or enforcing existing laws.
If a thousand thing were different and If the situation was such that a person thought after careful heartfelt consideration that the time had come to make war or "attack" somebody I would advise them to direct their energies against the sitting government and specifically those who are corrupt and pushing major societal change through back door methods, such as allowing tens of millions of illegal aliens to come in.
Revolution is serious business and unlikely to occur. This is a forum for debate. I vented, and we are debating.
Better than bearing arms in a futile flash of fanatical glory.
Not only does this problem create a strain for our social services, but the monstrous increase in identify theft cannot be ignored. It leaves many innocent people financially devistated and spending much of their own time watching their accounts for many years, or possibly the rest of their life if their information were sold several times.
My ideal situation to solve the issue would be to assist Mexico into joining the US as a superpower. I mean Mexico has great resources to benefit from. I feel if the individual states of Mexico where to be united the way they are here in the US we wouldn't have an illegal problem. But I digress. I wish Americans could see illegals as fellow citizens of North America and not invaders of the US.ATG wrote:
From the line in your sig I suspect this is a touchy subject.rawls2 wrote:
So what's your solution? Who do you attack first? The illegals that cross the borders or businesses like yours who hire them? I'm not going to call you racist because it's obvious your not but a bit hypocritical.ATG wrote:
I live 93 miles from Tijuanna.
Bell is ten minutes from downtown L.A. It's a city of about 200000 people, like Cudahy. L.A. is one big city of about 40 smaller cities and 25 million people going from Santa Barbara all the way to San Diego and inland 100 miles with hardly a open field.
Our government has failed us in a profound manner.
It should go without saying; if we can't secure our own borders we have no business meddling with others.
The social security system is a complete house of cards.
Call me what you want, I have illegal aliens working for me. They are issued a PIN number instead of a social security number. People in Los Angeles simply cannot function as a busines without illegal aliens. Its just how the system works and it blows. They drive my trucks with no drivers license. The guys who work for the city of Los Angeles trimming the tree's on mayor Viaragossas house are fucking illegal aliens!!!
His address is 649 Lorraine street, 92005 in Hancock Park. .
I would be willing to give anything for a feeling of national security. It starts here, at our border not in the Middle East.
God help us.
I want my government to be honest and up front. I will not suffer excuses or lack of policy or not defending our borders lightly.
If the goal is to unite the countries of North America, come out and say it and put it up for debate, don't silently let it happen by not having a policy, or enforcing existing laws.
If a thousand thing were different and If the situation was such that a person thought after careful heartfelt consideration that the time had come to make war or "attack" somebody I would advise them to direct their energies against the sitting government and specifically those who are corrupt and pushing major societal change through back door methods, such as allowing tens of millions of illegal aliens to come in.
Revolution is serious business and unlikely to occur. This is a forum for debate. I vented, and we are debating.
Better than bearing arms in a futile flash of fanatical glory.
We'd then need to annex most of Central and South America. A good many of those south-of-the-borders are from farther south.rawls2 wrote:
My ideal situation to solve the issue would be to assist Mexico into joining the US as a superpower. I mean Mexico has great resources to benefit from. I feel if the individual states of Mexico where to be united the way they are here in the US we wouldn't have an illegal problem. But I digress. I wish Americans could see illegals as fellow citizens of North America and not invaders of the US.
Despite what arms companies would have you believe, a UAV doesn't have to have a multimillion dollar price tag. You could make one from components for the price of a new car. I believe theres also a man-portable Israeli designed UAV with a reasonable price tag. Additionally, the cost of construction could very well be offset by the reduced costs on your healthcare system.fadedsteve wrote:
There are no such things as "cheap" UAV's, ground patrols, choppers, not to mention the actual construction of such a wall!! It would be a billion dollar venture that may or may NOT work. . .
I am all for more bodies patrolling, fixing areas of the border that have been degraded over time, and perhaps adding more fence etc. to spots that have high traffic of illegals. But that takes leadership, passing of bills in various state legislatures, and money. . . Right now no politician wants to offend anyone, cause they know the latin vote in their respective states is huge.
It also starts by allow those that are here already an ability to pay a fine for crossing illegally and getting on with their lives!! Set a number for an appropriate fine for the illegal to pay, if they pay it, they instantly are elligible to apply for papers (i.e. visa's, green cards/depending on how long they have been here). This puts in motion people getting their drivers license, insurance (so we dont have assholes with no insurance crashing into people) etc. etc. etc. Cause lets face it, they arent leaving, and their is no way we can deport 13 or 14 million illegals out of California!!
I am not advocating amnesty! I am advocating sensibility and responsibility in dealing with this tough situation. There needs to be some tough calls made, unfortunately we dont have anyone in office who has balls and sensibility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In regards to the berlin wall. . . . .is that thing still around today?? would that really be a viable non divisive way to handle the situation. . .I mean we havent built a wall separating ourselves from Canada. . . I think a wall does send the wrong message, we are a nation of immigrants!!! We allow the more immigrants than any other nation. I just want people to come here LEGALLY and register themselves, learn english, work, assimilate. . .its not that hard!!!
The Mexicans want to cut corners, our government is giving them a pass, and its hurting our nation as a result!!
What about an employee-sponsorship programme of sorts? Sponsor the illegal, they get amnesty and in exchange have to work towards becoming a naturalised citizen.
Once again I feel that it is doing nothing more than importing the corruption and poverty from another nation. America has it's hands full as it is right now. As far as seeing it as an invasion that is simply not true. No one else in the world allows more people in their country the legal way.rawls2 wrote:
My ideal situation to solve the issue would be to assist Mexico into joining the US as a superpower. I mean Mexico has great resources to benefit from. I feel if the individual states of Mexico where to be united the way they are here in the US we wouldn't have an illegal problem. But I digress. I wish Americans could see illegals as fellow citizens of North America and not invaders of the US.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Thats the point. No need for Mexicans to come over hear if they have everything they need over there. In reality, the only reason we have an immigration issue is because of our abundance of opportunity.Kmarion wrote:
Once again I feel that it is doing nothing more than importing the corruption and poverty from another nation. America has it's hands full as it is right now. As far as seeing it as an invasion that is simply not true. No one else in the world allows more people in their country the legal way.rawls2 wrote:
My ideal situation to solve the issue would be to assist Mexico into joining the US as a superpower. I mean Mexico has great resources to benefit from. I feel if the individual states of Mexico where to be united the way they are here in the US we wouldn't have an illegal problem. But I digress. I wish Americans could see illegals as fellow citizens of North America and not invaders of the US.