Protecus
Prophet of Certain Certainties
+28|6951
Found this awesome letter a group sent to various school boards across the country in response to the news that they were considering to include Intelligent Design into their curriculum, a debate that was prompted by the intelligent design groups threatening to sue the school boards.

I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design.

Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.

It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith.

Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.

I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.

You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.


https://www.venganza.org/images/spreadword/pchart1.jpg

In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.

Sincerely Yours,

Bobby Henderson, concerned citizen.
"I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence."

Aaaahhh, classic.

It's ironic that Intelligent Design lacks just that; intelligence. Science is science, religion is religion. Trying to put the two together is just ridiculous.

Case in point.
chittydog
less busy
+586|7264|Kubra, Damn it!

Love it! Great post.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6990
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6967|Long Island, New York
Pastafarianism? Haha. Old but still funny.

Ramen.
BolvisOculus
Spagett!
+167|7048|Manitowoc, WI
D&ST?  I've said this in a different post and I like the way Southpark puts it, can't evolution etc. be the explanation for how and not why?

Last edited by BolvisOculus (2007-02-27 19:49:20)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7104|Canberra, AUS
It's nice, but a bit old.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7209|Great Brown North
old but i love it, i too am a pastafarian

+1
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6874|The Land of Scott Walker
Old. Search.  Close.
CannonFodder11b
Purple Heart Recipient
+73|7119|Fort Lewis WA
Yeah I had a really good army buddy of mine who was a follower of the "church of the flying spagetti monster"
They are still fighting to get the spagetti monster on his tombstone.  I honestly hope his family beats VA and he gets it added.  Its silly but, then again I firmly believe all organized religions are a farce. 

I'm a Jew by blood not by choice.  My family are die hard Jews, me, im myself.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7010|SE London

After reading this I've just been trawling through a few sites about ID (found some links in the hate mail section).
I am astonished by some of the laughable arguments they present as fact; specific distinctions between what is artificial and natural, information is only created by minds and not by natural law - it really is all quite funny. I find it incredibly amusing when IDists try to explain how their theories are scientifically valid - especially when the entire 'Information can only be created by a mind' argument (which seems to be the most crucial aspect of the theory) is such utter nonsense. Information can equally well be created within the natural world as can be seen in branches of natural mathematics and in various offshoots of chaos theory.


On a real scientific note - good luck to the guys at CERN on their latest venture to investigate particle collisions.
CannonFodder11b
Purple Heart Recipient
+73|7119|Fort Lewis WA

Bertster7 wrote:

After reading this I've just been trawling through a few sites about ID (found some links in the hate mail section).
I am astonished by some of the laughable arguments they present as fact; specific distinctions between what is artificial and natural, information is only created by minds and not by natural law - it really is all quite funny. I find it incredibly amusing when IDists try to explain how their theories are scientifically valid - especially when the entire 'Information can only be created by a mind' argument (which seems to be the most crucial aspect of the theory) is such utter nonsense. Information can equally well be created within the natural world as can be seen in branches of natural mathematics and in various offshoots of chaos theory.


On a real scientific note - good luck to the guys at CERN on their latest venture to investigate particle collisions.
FSM is a joke.  It was a college prank, that grew.  It will always be taken as a joke.  Anyone who thinks FSM is a serious thing is a fool.   People like saying they belong to FSM a) because they like explaining it b) because its good laughs.

It just makes fun of organized religions like scientology.

EDIT: Also the more people that complain about it, just fuels the fire, and makes them dig in deeper.  Its a game, and they are playing it well. I enjoy reading about FSM and how they make hotheads angry.  Its great.

Last edited by CannonFodder11b (2007-02-28 08:28:52)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7010|SE London

CannonFodder11b wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

After reading this I've just been trawling through a few sites about ID (found some links in the hate mail section).
I am astonished by some of the laughable arguments they present as fact; specific distinctions between what is artificial and natural, information is only created by minds and not by natural law - it really is all quite funny. I find it incredibly amusing when IDists try to explain how their theories are scientifically valid - especially when the entire 'Information can only be created by a mind' argument (which seems to be the most crucial aspect of the theory) is such utter nonsense. Information can equally well be created within the natural world as can be seen in branches of natural mathematics and in various offshoots of chaos theory.


On a real scientific note - good luck to the guys at CERN on their latest venture to investigate particle collisions.
FSM is a joke.  It was a college prank, that grew.  It will always be taken as a joke.  Anyone who thinks FSM is a serious thing is a fool.   People like saying they belong to FSM a) because they like explaining it b) because its good laughs.

It just makes fun of organized religions like scientology.

EDIT: Also the more people that complain about it, just fuels the fire, and makes them dig in deeper.  Its a game, and they are playing it well. I enjoy reading about FSM and how they make hotheads angry.  Its great.
You think I'm talking about FSM?

I'm talking about ID, which a lot of people take very seriously. You seem to have massively misinterpreted my, really quite clear and straightforward, post.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6874|The Land of Scott Walker
I find it curious that you disagree with the "information can only be created by a mind" argument and at the same time refer to information "created" in branches of natural mathematics where the human mind is being utilized.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7201|PNW

Protecus wrote:

We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.
That sentiment is mirrored by much of Christianity. I think that religion puts too much stock in how they think God designed the life and universe, while ignoring the fact that mankind would know considerably less than a God figure. The idea that all of God's mind can fit into a single man-made volume is absolutely and utterly absurd.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7010|SE London

Stingray24 wrote:

I find it curious that you disagree with the "information can only be created by a mind" argument and at the same time refer to information "created" in branches of natural mathematics where the human mind is being utilized.
The information is not created in branches of natural mathematics. It is created in nature and the observations of it have diversified into a field of mathematics. Much the same as chaos theory, which is based on the observations of naturally occuring 'information'.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6874|The Land of Scott Walker

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Protecus wrote:

We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.
That sentiment is mirrored by much of Christianity. I think that religion puts too much stock in how they think God designed the life and universe, while ignoring the fact that mankind would know considerably less than a God figure. The idea that all of God's mind can fit into a single man-made volume is absolutely and utterly absurd.
I'll have to disagree.  Imho, whatever God chooses to do is in no way coincidence.  I do agree that mankind logically knows less than God and that all of God's mind cannot possibly fit into one volume.  No one ever claimed the Bible contains the totality of God's mind and though the Bible was communicated to man by God, it is not man-made.

Bertster7 wrote:

The information is not created in branches of natural mathematics. It is created in nature and the observations of it have diversified into a field of mathematics. Much the same as chaos theory, which is based on the observations of naturally occuring 'information'.
Without applying some manner of intelligence (computer or human), how would mankind discover this naturally occuring information?

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-02-28 10:15:14)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7010|SE London

Stingray24 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

The information is not created in branches of natural mathematics. It is created in nature and the observations of it have diversified into a field of mathematics. Much the same as chaos theory, which is based on the observations of naturally occuring 'information'.
Without applying some manner of intelligence (computer or human), how would mankind discover this naturally occuring information?
By looking at it. Discovery and comprehension and not the same thing.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-02-28 10:17:59)

sfarrar33
Halogenoalkane
+57|7047|InGerLand

Bertster7 wrote:

On a real scientific note - good luck to the guys at CERN on their latest venture to investigate particle collisions.
hehe i can see a big bang coming
whilst it would be a bad thing, admit it the entire thing going BOOM! would be cool
reminds me of the Isaac Asimov story little lost robot, i think it was called.

(someone parody the god particle already )

on topic oui tis old but hey pastafarianism ftw
topal63
. . .
+533|7147
I.D. Theory is as stupid as FSM. (I.D. was a bad-joke [serious "Wedge" attempt by D.I.] 10 years ago, and not any less-so today).

ID by DI is dumb crap... (<-- IMO it is... it is a theory that is filled with error).

[Edited for Stingray24]

*Wedge = Wedge Strategy - it is a strategy for subtle indoctrination into "belief" an attempt to "undue" the evil caused by "scientific materialism"; a splinter into Children's minds (or Childish minds); a "wedge" placed at the door of current scientific thinking - see Discovery Institute (D.I.).

Last edited by topal63 (2007-02-28 14:53:13)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6874|The Land of Scott Walker
Care to start a thread rather than simply insulting what you disagree with?  I keep hearing how "stupid" etc etc etc ID supposedly is, but no refutation of the theory.

Seems to me that calling a theory "stupid" and then refusing to acknowledge that intelligence is absolutely necessary for humans to design or create anything is the height of irony.  Why are you so scared of a "higher intelligence"?  Accountability?  Hmmm . . .

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-02-28 10:33:39)

topal63
. . .
+533|7147

Stingray24 wrote:

Care to start a thread rather than simply insulting what you disagree with?  I keep hearing how "stupid" etc etc etc ID supposedly is, but no refutation of the theory.
That is BS Stingray24... I have refuted it here on BF2S before many times.. in many ways. You didn't read the sort-of recent one - a thread you even posted in [The Science Vs. Religion Thread].

Your general comment was "longest post ever," by that I would have to assume you didn't read that refutation either.

Please stop quoting the longest post in the history of man, people.  Just post your responses.  My mouse wheel can't take much more of this . . . and it's annoying.  Stop already!
So why would you read another serious & complete debunking of I.D. nonsense? You won't.
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I won't partake in a pointless circle:

Stingray24 wrote:

Ok, topal, it's obvious you're more interested in insults than discussion.  Good day.
I have been told by many others - not just you - that you (they) wont read a long thorough post.
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In reference to I.D. theory, God, Science vs Religion, Etc (not necessarily FSM):

arson wrote:

Good stuff and new for some of us not able to troll the internet everyday....
Whats with the old news douchebags? If its old to you just move the fuck on. Whats old to you doesn't mean its not new to someone else so no need to spam.
There is a SEARCH feature.
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sfarrar33 wrote:

then just replace the word long with short or give weblinks?
That is like saying sum up the Bible in two words or less... or OK's people just say it plain English... or I am not interested in the details just give your Opinion and move on... or whatever. Also, why post a link, when honestly that would not be read either, or this (--->) something specifically is my opinion, me debunking it, me correlating information (I don't have a website), what is the difference? Also I would say stop derailing this thread (this is a point less circle), it is not about my long posts. It is about FSM and /or its relation to I.D. theory as a comparison.

I up-dated my original post that had clues about the I.D. "Wedge Strategy" Google it - if you want.

Here ya go... a few web-links(!).
Ken Miller on I.D.:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 3168103522

http://www.wsbtv.com/education/5383453/detail.html

http://shop.abc.net.au/browse/product.a … tid=520653

http://skepdic.com/intelligentdesign.html

http://danielrhoads.blogspot.com/2005/1 … esign.html

http://www.talkreason.org/Links.cfm

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/a … le026.html

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/ … dover.html

http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtop … 2de0879073

http://www.theocracywatch.org/intelligent_design.htm

http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/09/al … nking.html

I.D. was created for a reason - not a scientific one. It is a BIG-part of a political-religious agenda strategy:

Wedge = Wedge Strategy - it is a strategy for subtle indoctrination into "belief" an attempt to "undue" the evil caused by "scientific materialism"; a splinter into Children's minds (or Childish minds); a "wedge" placed at the door of current scientific thinking - see Discovery Institute (D.I.).

Wedge Strategy:
http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html

And that strategy has been mostly a failure so far...
Out of curiosity - how do you insult an idea / theory / errant concept, that is not actually your concept / idea / theory?

Last edited by topal63 (2007-02-28 15:35:38)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6874|The Land of Scott Walker
Ok, topal, it's obvious you're more interested in insults than discussion.  Good day.
arson
Member
+99|7065|New York
Good stuff and new for some of us not able to troll the internet everyday....
Whats with the old news douchebags? If its old to you just move the fuck on. Whats old to you doesn't mean its not new to someone else so no need to spam.
sfarrar33
Halogenoalkane
+57|7047|InGerLand

topal63 wrote:

I won't partake in a pointless circle:

Stingray24 wrote:

Ok, topal, it's obvious you're more interested in insults than discussion.  Good day.
I have been told by many others - not just you - that you (they) wont read a long thorough post.
then just replace the word long with short or give weblinks?
topal63
. . .
+533|7147

sfarrar33 wrote:

topal63 wrote:

I won't partake in a pointless circle:

Stingray24 wrote:

Ok, topal, it's obvious you're more interested in insults than discussion.  Good day.
I have been told by many others - not just you - that you (they) wont read a long thorough post.
then just replace the word long with short or give weblinks?
The subversive intent,
“The Wedge Strategy”:
http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html

Everything you need to know about the dumb crap called I.D. Theory.
Ken Miller on I.D (It is almost 2 hours long - yikes! But very thorough):
1.) "I.D. theory is DEAD."
2.) The next incarnation (religio-political agenda) to be pushed will be this: "Critical Analysis of Evolution."
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 3168103522

Last edited by topal63 (2007-02-28 16:49:04)

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