notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

TMo:

I think his school only distributes it and his press team has to pay for the making the papers etc. But is the school allowed to stop it? Can you please give me a link to a law that says it because I am very curious.
If there is a contract between the school and the newspaper, then I cannot say because obviously I don't know the terms of said contract.  However, I would be extremely surprised (and, in fact, I would guarantee that this isn't the case) if the school had no rights over the paper whatsoever.  So, with that said, if it can be found that a breach of contract occurred, the school can break off the contract entirely, thus halting the distribution of the paper and even possibly going as far as to ban its presence on campus.

If there is no contract between the school and the newspaper, then the school can do as it pleases, as it can with any other form of literature.  If a piece of literature is deemed inappropriate for the classroom, it can be barred from school grounds.

I doubt it would go this far over one article, but you get the idea.

As far as I know, there is no law that states the (or any) school must distribute a school paper.  The only law I was able to find is that public schools are barred from editing articles written in said papers based on opinion alone.  I.E. Editorials cannot be edited for opinion-based content, unless that opinion is proven to be an attack against others.  In this case, I can easily see it being deemed as such.
Ender2309
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

TMo:

I think his school only distributes it and his press team has to pay for the making the papers etc. But is the school allowed to stop it? Can you please give me a link to a law that says it because I am very curious.
If there is a contract between the school and the newspaper, then I cannot say because obviously I don't know the terms of said contract.  However, I would be extremely surprised (and, in fact, I would guarantee that this isn't the case) if the school had no rights over the paper whatsoever.  So, with that said, if it can be found that a breach of contract occurred, the school can break off the contract entirely, thus halting the distribution of the paper and even possibly going as far as to ban its presence on campus.

If there is no contract between the school and the newspaper, then the school can do as it pleases, as it can with any other form of literature.  If a piece of literature is deemed inappropriate for the classroom, it can be barred from school grounds.

I doubt it would go this far over one article, but you get the idea.

As far as I know, there is no law that states the (or any) school must distribute a school paper.  The only law I was able to find is that public schools are barred from editing articles written in said papers based on opinion alone.  I.E. Editorials cannot be edited for opinion-based content, unless that opinion is proven to be an attack against others.  In this case, I can easily see it being deemed as such.
thats the thing though. they've tried several times to pull issues or to pull the paper, and i can guarantee that there is a law floating out there somewhere.

every single time they've tried, they've lost.


and i fail to see how it could be deemed a personal attack, seeing as that would really only be justified by outright saying "XXX is a stupid slut." all i said was quite literally, shut the hell up already, and grow up.
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
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Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

TMo:

I think his school only distributes it and his press team has to pay for the making the papers etc. But is the school allowed to stop it? Can you please give me a link to a law that says it because I am very curious.
If there is a contract between the school and the newspaper, then I cannot say because obviously I don't know the terms of said contract.  However, I would be extremely surprised (and, in fact, I would guarantee that this isn't the case) if the school had no rights over the paper whatsoever.  So, with that said, if it can be found that a breach of contract occurred, the school can break off the contract entirely, thus halting the distribution of the paper and even possibly going as far as to ban its presence on campus.

If there is no contract between the school and the newspaper, then the school can do as it pleases, as it can with any other form of literature.  If a piece of literature is deemed inappropriate for the classroom, it can be barred from school grounds.

I doubt it would go this far over one article, but you get the idea.

As far as I know, there is no law that states the (or any) school must distribute a school paper.  The only law I was able to find is that public schools are barred from editing articles written in said papers based on opinion alone.  I.E. Editorials cannot be edited for opinion-based content, unless that opinion is proven to be an attack against others.  In this case, I can easily see it being deemed as such.
thats the thing though. they've tried several times to pull issues or to pull the paper, and i can guarantee that there is a law floating out there somewhere.

every single time they've tried, they've lost.


and i fail to see how it could be deemed a personal attack, seeing as that would really only be justified by outright saying "XXX is a stupid slut." all i said was quite literally, shut the hell up already, and grow up.
Like I said, it depends on what grounds they try to pull the paper.  Although I must admit, I'm extremely surprised your paper isn't screened before going to the presses.  That's another thing, if it is screened, and your article is seen as appropriate, then the school has no leg to stand on since they had their chance to edit/pull.

Also, I doubt you said "shut the hell up already", and if you did, how is that not a personal attack?
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:


If there is a contract between the school and the newspaper, then I cannot say because obviously I don't know the terms of said contract.  However, I would be extremely surprised (and, in fact, I would guarantee that this isn't the case) if the school had no rights over the paper whatsoever.  So, with that said, if it can be found that a breach of contract occurred, the school can break off the contract entirely, thus halting the distribution of the paper and even possibly going as far as to ban its presence on campus.

If there is no contract between the school and the newspaper, then the school can do as it pleases, as it can with any other form of literature.  If a piece of literature is deemed inappropriate for the classroom, it can be barred from school grounds.

I doubt it would go this far over one article, but you get the idea.

As far as I know, there is no law that states the (or any) school must distribute a school paper.  The only law I was able to find is that public schools are barred from editing articles written in said papers based on opinion alone.  I.E. Editorials cannot be edited for opinion-based content, unless that opinion is proven to be an attack against others.  In this case, I can easily see it being deemed as such.
thats the thing though. they've tried several times to pull issues or to pull the paper, and i can guarantee that there is a law floating out there somewhere.

every single time they've tried, they've lost.


and i fail to see how it could be deemed a personal attack, seeing as that would really only be justified by outright saying "XXX is a stupid slut." all i said was quite literally, shut the hell up already, and grow up.
Like I said, it depends on what grounds they try to pull the paper.  Although I must admit, I'm extremely surprised your paper isn't screened before going to the presses.  That's another thing, if it is screened, and your article is seen as appropriate, then the school has no leg to stand on since they had their chance to edit/pull.

Also, I doubt you said "shut the hell up already", and if you did, how is that not a personal attack?
as far as "quite literally goes," i was talking more about meaning than actual content.

as far as screening, thats what the class adviser is for.

and, once again, the school doesn't get to edit/pull papers.

trust me, if it goes on the pages, its not going to be something bad. again, class adviser.
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
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Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:


thats the thing though. they've tried several times to pull issues or to pull the paper, and i can guarantee that there is a law floating out there somewhere.

every single time they've tried, they've lost.


and i fail to see how it could be deemed a personal attack, seeing as that would really only be justified by outright saying "XXX is a stupid slut." all i said was quite literally, shut the hell up already, and grow up.
Like I said, it depends on what grounds they try to pull the paper.  Although I must admit, I'm extremely surprised your paper isn't screened before going to the presses.  That's another thing, if it is screened, and your article is seen as appropriate, then the school has no leg to stand on since they had their chance to edit/pull.

Also, I doubt you said "shut the hell up already", and if you did, how is that not a personal attack?
as far as "quite literally goes," i was talking more about meaning than actual content.

as far as screening, thats what the class adviser is for.

and, once again, the school doesn't get to edit/pull papers.

trust me, if it goes on the pages, its not going to be something bad. again, class adviser.
...does the class adviser represent your school?
Ender2309
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:


Like I said, it depends on what grounds they try to pull the paper.  Although I must admit, I'm extremely surprised your paper isn't screened before going to the presses.  That's another thing, if it is screened, and your article is seen as appropriate, then the school has no leg to stand on since they had their chance to edit/pull.

Also, I doubt you said "shut the hell up already", and if you did, how is that not a personal attack?
as far as "quite literally goes," i was talking more about meaning than actual content.

as far as screening, thats what the class adviser is for.

and, once again, the school doesn't get to edit/pull papers.

trust me, if it goes on the pages, its not going to be something bad. again, class adviser.
...does the class adviser represent your school?
she's a teacher, so i'd guess yes, especially since it's a scheduled class (although i assumed this much would be obvious)
notorious
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...you never said there was a teacher present, let alone that it was a scheduled class.  If that's the case, and she sees all the articles beforehand, then this debate was pointless.  The school has no argument if its own representative let the paper go to press.
Ender2309
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

...you never said there was a teacher present, let alone that it was a scheduled class.  If that's the case, and she sees all the articles beforehand, then this debate was pointless.  The school has no argument if its own representative let the paper go to press.
i assumed that much would be accounted for...

it was interesting, though.
notorious
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Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

...you never said there was a teacher present, let alone that it was a scheduled class.  If that's the case, and she sees all the articles beforehand, then this debate was pointless.  The school has no argument if its own representative let the paper go to press.
i assumed that much would be accounted for...

it was interesting, though.
Haha, no no.  When I wrote for my school paper (and was Senior Editor, fyi, which is how I know all this random crap about school papers), it was on our own time, after school.
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

...you never said there was a teacher present, let alone that it was a scheduled class.  If that's the case, and she sees all the articles beforehand, then this debate was pointless.  The school has no argument if its own representative let the paper go to press.
i assumed that much would be accounted for...

it was interesting, though.
Haha, no no.  When I wrote for my school paper (and was Senior Editor, fyi, which is how I know all this random crap about school papers), it was on our own time, after school.
senior editor would be editor in chief, correct?

but yes, i'd not doubt that IL is one of the 51 states that follows the hazelwood decision, which is pretty much the exact opposite of tinker....meaning the school can pull anything FOR anything.
notorious
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Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:


i assumed that much would be accounted for...

it was interesting, though.
Haha, no no.  When I wrote for my school paper (and was Senior Editor, fyi, which is how I know all this random crap about school papers), it was on our own time, after school.
senior editor would be editor in chief, correct?

but yes, i'd not doubt that IL is one of the 51 states that follows the hazelwood decision, which is pretty much the exact opposite of tinker....meaning the school can pull anything FOR anything.
Yeah, we called it Senior Editor...but it's the same position as Editor in Chief.  Honestly, I think we called it that because there wasn't enough room in the byline for "Editor in Chief". 

...but yeah, we did follow the Hazelwood Decision.  We were protected a bit more though, which is why I was talking about schools only being able to pull for spreading false information or for personal attacks.  Anything opinion based was pretty much protected.

...and for the record, there's only 50 states. 
cospengle
Member
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I love all the legal speak in this thread, but the question raised was "did I do the right thing?".

Right and legal are not the same thing[/obvious statement]

It sounds to me like you didn't like her or didn't like the way she behaved and so you made fun of her in a public way, which is not "nice" (as you described it). She sounds like an airhead though, so I'd say she's fair game. But that doesn't make it "right".

Anyway, it's all speculation from everyone but Ender since none of us know what was in the article. BTW What was the rally for and why do you sound so disappointed about the wrestling team being sidelined?
unnamednewbie13
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Ender2309 wrote:

recently, my school had a rally. it blew. badly. our whorish slut of a rally commissioner (RC; slut) was the icing on the cake.
Stopped reading right there. Rally's are about as interesting as watching flies on dog shit. I skipped out on all of mine.
Janysc
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It was completely unnecessary to write the little comment, but also completely unnecessary to make a big fuzz about it (I'm thinking about the reactions).
Ender2309
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:


Haha, no no.  When I wrote for my school paper (and was Senior Editor, fyi, which is how I know all this random crap about school papers), it was on our own time, after school.
senior editor would be editor in chief, correct?

but yes, i'd not doubt that IL is one of the 51 states that follows the hazelwood decision, which is pretty much the exact opposite of tinker....meaning the school can pull anything FOR anything.
Yeah, we called it Senior Editor...but it's the same position as Editor in Chief.  Honestly, I think we called it that because there wasn't enough room in the byline for "Editor in Chief". 

...but yeah, we did follow the Hazelwood Decision.  We were protected a bit more though, which is why I was talking about schools only being able to pull for spreading false information or for personal attacks.  Anything opinion based was pretty much protected.

...and for the record, there's only 50 states. 
haha, that should say 41 .
Ender2309
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cospengle wrote:

I love all the legal speak in this thread, but the question raised was "did I do the right thing?".

Right and legal are not the same thing[/obvious statement]

It sounds to me like you didn't like her or didn't like the way she behaved and so you made fun of her in a public way, which is not "nice" (as you described it). She sounds like an airhead though, so I'd say she's fair game. But that doesn't make it "right".

Anyway, it's all speculation from everyone but Ender since none of us know what was in the article. BTW What was the rally for and why do you sound so disappointed about the wrestling team being sidelined?
i didn't really care, but it was another few lines for the article (and the wrestling coach has been bitching to the paper about how we haven't done an article on the team, so, yeah)


it was for winter sports, of which wrestling is one.
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
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Probably wasnt the best course of action. I would have asked to speak to the RC instead of getting bitched at by the father so you can tell her yourself. That way there is no way you have to deal with miscommunications.

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