Ender2309
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...ok, guess i should just launch right into it.

so, i'm a writer for my highschool newspaper, and i'm not exactly afraid to piss people off, mostly because in california, a student journalist can't be touched, more or less.

recently, my school had a rally. it blew. badly. our whorish slut of a rally commissioner (RC; slut) was the icing on the cake.

there was a "cutesy" slam dunk contest between a few of the basketball players, and one of them did something "fancy" involving the removal of his shirt. at this point, the RC began a tirade of "omg i'm so turned on right now. wow he's hot. look at those muscles. wow i want to like...scream he's so hot." (thats pretty much a direct quote)-type comments, and well, it became centric to an editorial for the paper.

basically, the article said the rally sucked, the wrestling team wasn't mentioned, the speakers need to be repositioned, yadda yadda yadda.

the center quarter of the editorial was about the slut (it didn't even mention her by name), and it read something like this: (i can't find my memory key, which has the article, so i'll paraphrase)

I wrote wrote:

And what was the deal with the rally commissioner? c'mon, nobody really cares that you think [basketball player] is hot.
and you didn't need to tell us five million times, either
the paper released on friday ( I stayed home sick, which, in aftermath,  i realize was not the smartest thing ever, because now i'm going to have to deal with insinuations [to use the term loosely] concerning my absence), and here it is, saturday.

at about 9:28 i got a call from a blocked number. i figured it was my mom calling to tell me to keep it down, like always.

in all actuality, the slut couldn't take what i said (as unmean as it was) and cried to mommy and daddy (it was him on the phone).

he called demanding an apology, it seems, and here i was, happily playing away at SF, only to be interrupted for this asshat.

i told him that i do not owe and will not apologize to the RC for what i said, as i was completely within my legal and moral rights to say what i said.

he told me again that i owed her and apology.

i said that wasn't going to happen.

he asked to speak to my dad, and i told him, "no, you cannot speak to my father because its unnecessary, and it won't change this little situation."

he asked for my home phone (wtf?), and i said, "i'm afraid that's not going to happen."

"why are you afraid?" he asked.*

"excuse me?"  me

why are you afraid?" him

"its a figure of speech, sir." me

"what part?" (wtf?) him.

and this point, i was getting tired of telling this asshole to more or less go fuck himself, so i told him very blatantly that i was going to hang up the phone, and that this conversation was over.

i'm amazed he didnt call back.

*I started to get a bit suspicious when he said this. i've never known somebody who has the ability to block his phone number, yet apparently lacks fundamental english language skills/knowledge.

in retrospect, though, he birthed that idiot of an RC, so he just might be.

his voice didnt seem to be older than 20, either, but hey, you never know.


i'm sure that i'm going to be called into the office or something come monday, but thats OK. I can't be touched, and i fully know and understand that.

worst comes to worst, the school gets bad publicity and i get a bit richer (when they try to punish me and i file a lawsuit.) and hey, that would really help me into college, too.

basically, i've had a bit of a "complex" perse, concerning authority all my life. i have a tendency to give it to those that don't deserve it, and i feel good that i stood up for myself this time.

but, that complex is resurfacing, and a nagging feeling is distracting me from my date with the pillows.

so, tell me: in your opinions, did i do the right thing?

i realize calling her a slut here may have been mean, but fuck that bitch.
SmilingBuddha
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No.
Ender2309
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SmilingBuddha wrote:

No.
explain, or did you just post a random answer?
TheDarkRaven
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You were perfectly within your right, as I understand the law in the US. And hell, I'd even agree with you, and believe you, about the situation without being anywhere near there. Things like that happen, and if you tell the truth, why should someone try to stop you?
All the best,
Andy

P.S./EDIT: Just realised, in him saying 'Why are you afraid?' coupled with blocking his phone number could be termed a threat. Also, in his phoning you up and not explaining why his daughter wouldn't represent herself, this is harassment. Don't live with it - if musts be must (wonder if he'd take exception at that phrase?) contact the police.

Last edited by TheDarkRaven (2007-02-25 02:02:26)

hurricane2oo5
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No
Cybargs
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You are using the first amendment to its fullest.
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notorious
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No.

Also, you're not untouchable.  You said you're a writer for your school newspaper.  A paper that is sponsored, run, and released by the school.  If you do something they don't like, they can pretty easily remove you from your position and possibly suspend you for inappropriate comments/actions.
Ender2309
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TheDarkRaven wrote:

You were perfectly within your right, as I understand the law in the US. And hell, I'd even agree with you, and believe you, about the situation without being anywhere near there. Things like that happen, and if you tell the truth, why should someone try to stop you?
All the best,
Andy

P.S./EDIT: Just realised, in him saying 'Why are you afraid?' coupled with blocking his phone number could be termed a threat. Also, in his phoning you up and not explaining why his daughter wouldn't represent herself, this is harassment. Don't live with it - if musts be must (would if he'd take exception at that phrase?) contact the police.
yeah, if he calls me again, that was pretty much the only thing i was going to tell him.
notorious
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Ender2309 wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

You were perfectly within your right, as I understand the law in the US. And hell, I'd even agree with you, and believe you, about the situation without being anywhere near there. Things like that happen, and if you tell the truth, why should someone try to stop you?
All the best,
Andy

P.S./EDIT: Just realised, in him saying 'Why are you afraid?' coupled with blocking his phone number could be termed a threat. Also, in his phoning you up and not explaining why his daughter wouldn't represent herself, this is harassment. Don't live with it - if musts be must (would if he'd take exception at that phrase?) contact the police.
yeah, if he calls me again, that was pretty much the only thing i was going to tell him.
She doesn't have to represent herself, especially if she's a minor.

Also, since he stated who he was and asked you why you're afraid, I really can't see how that could be perceived as a threat.  Had you asked him if he was threatening you and he didn't answer, then yes, but asking you why you're afraid, no.
~FuzZz~
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Random answers ay? Urine. Bannana. Triangle.

But seriously i wouldnt worry about it, she had it coming, commie-slut, i mean i bet thats not even who she really is she is just trying to be ''cool'' but really she is just joining thousands of kids that idolise paris-hilton
Ender2309
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

No.

Also, you're not untouchable.  You said you're a writer for your school newspaper.  A paper that is sponsored, run, and released by the school.  If you do something they don't like, they can pretty easily remove you from your position and possibly suspend you for inappropriate comments/actions.
actually, I am.

and they can't.

they don't pay a dime for our paper. we raise our money ourselves. (thru add revenue)

we pay for printing, which is done by a professional printing company.


and under CA State law, a student journalist (so long as i don't say, call her a bitchy slut or something, basically i just have to not abuse my position) CAN'T be removed from his position.



Tmo wrote:

Also, since he stated who he was and asked you why you're afraid, I really can't see how that could be perceived as a threat.  Had you asked him if he was threatening you and he didn't answer, then yes, but asking you why you're afraid, no.
i was only talking about the harassment part...as in...don't call me again and so on and so forth.


but on an interesting side note, i really wonder how he got my number....

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notorious
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Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

No.

Also, you're not untouchable.  You said you're a writer for your school newspaper.  A paper that is sponsored, run, and released by the school.  If you do something they don't like, they can pretty easily remove you from your position and possibly suspend you for inappropriate comments/actions.
actually, I am.

and they can't.

they don't pay a dime for our paper. we raise our money ourselves.

we pay for printing, which is done by a professional printing company.


and under CA State law, a student journalist (so long as i don't say, call her a bitchy slut or something, basically i just have to not abuse my position) CAN'T be removed from his position.
So you raise your own money and get it printed yourselves, but where is the paper distributed?  Your school can refuse to distribute the newspaper, effectively leaving you writing for a paper that no one will read.

Also, from the sounds of it, you did call her a slut, you just beat around the bush a bit.
Robbie77
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haha seems like in california everybodys a little bitch...ok i just said that cause im jealous and im freezing my balls off here in canada.....take my advice

FIGHT HER U MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE HER
TheDarkRaven
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

You were perfectly within your right, as I understand the law in the US. And hell, I'd even agree with you, and believe you, about the situation without being anywhere near there. Things like that happen, and if you tell the truth, why should someone try to stop you?
All the best,
Andy

P.S./EDIT: Just realised, in him saying 'Why are you afraid?' coupled with blocking his phone number could be termed a threat. Also, in his phoning you up and not explaining why his daughter wouldn't represent herself, this is harassment. Don't live with it - if musts be must (would if he'd take exception at that phrase?) contact the police.
yeah, if he calls me again, that was pretty much the only thing i was going to tell him.
She doesn't have to represent herself, especially if she's a minor.

Also, since he stated who he was and asked you why you're afraid, I really can't see how that could be perceived as a threat.  Had you asked him if he was threatening you and he didn't answer, then yes, but asking you why you're afraid, no.
Okay, Thomas. Yes, he stated who is was, but not exactly why HE had to call (Ender - you missed an opportunity to ask to speak to her directly). So, in retrospect, I agree on that point. However, Ender did not say he was afraid. It is a well known figure of speech, and Ender even told him that, yet the father still persisted on saying that he was 'scared'. This is a threat, plain and simple. Unless he pleads insanity (he might as well...)...
Also, since it was a blocked phone number and you say the voice sounded young - how do you know it was her father? It could have been an older brother who "won't take non o' dat shit 'gainst my sis", or even a boyfriend of hers, with the same viewpoint.
I still think you did the right thing, given the circumstances. Otherwise, this could be political correctness gone mad and a small victory against free speech.
All the best,
Andy
Ender2309
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

No.

Also, you're not untouchable.  You said you're a writer for your school newspaper.  A paper that is sponsored, run, and released by the school.  If you do something they don't like, they can pretty easily remove you from your position and possibly suspend you for inappropriate comments/actions.
actually, I am.

and they can't.

they don't pay a dime for our paper. we raise our money ourselves.

we pay for printing, which is done by a professional printing company.


and under CA State law, a student journalist (so long as i don't say, call her a bitchy slut or something, basically i just have to not abuse my position) CAN'T be removed from his position.
So you raise your own money and get it printed yourselves, but where is the paper distributed?  Your school can refuse to distribute the newspaper, effectively leaving you writing for a paper that no one will read.

Also, from the sounds of it, you did call her a slut, you just beat around the bush a bit.
no, i really didn't. when the website gets updated (probably mondayish) i'll link the final printed article to you you, and you'll see.

i can't believe i just said that.


and once again, under CA state law, the school cannot withhold our paper either. wikipedia "the tinker standard."

they've tried before. and failed. and failed again.

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Ender2309
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TheDarkRaven wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:


yeah, if he calls me again, that was pretty much the only thing i was going to tell him.
She doesn't have to represent herself, especially if she's a minor.

Also, since he stated who he was and asked you why you're afraid, I really can't see how that could be perceived as a threat.  Had you asked him if he was threatening you and he didn't answer, then yes, but asking you why you're afraid, no.
Okay, Thomas. Yes, he stated who is was, but not exactly why HE had to call (Ender - you missed an opportunity to ask to speak to her directly). So, in retrospect, I agree on that point. However, Ender did not say he was afraid. It is a well known figure of speech, and Ender even told him that, yet the father still persisted on saying that he was 'scared'. This is a threat, plain and simple. Unless he pleads insanity (he might as well...)...
Also, since it was a blocked phone number and you say the voice sounded young - how do you know it was her father? It could have been an older brother who "won't take non o' dat shit 'gainst my sis", or even a boyfriend of hers, with the same viewpoint.
I still think you did the right thing, given the circumstances. Otherwise, this could be political correctness gone mad and a small victory against free speech.
All the best,
Andy
haha, i actually said i wasn't too sure he was who he said he was when i told him i was going to hang up.
notorious
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TheDarkRaven wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:


yeah, if he calls me again, that was pretty much the only thing i was going to tell him.
She doesn't have to represent herself, especially if she's a minor.

Also, since he stated who he was and asked you why you're afraid, I really can't see how that could be perceived as a threat.  Had you asked him if he was threatening you and he didn't answer, then yes, but asking you why you're afraid, no.
Okay, Thomas. Yes, he stated who is was, but not exactly why HE had to call (Ender - you missed an opportunity to ask to speak to her directly). So, in retrospect, I agree on that point. However, Ender did not say he was afraid. It is a well known figure of speech, and Ender even told him that, yet the father still persisted on saying that he was 'scared'. This is a threat, plain and simple. Unless he pleads insanity (he might as well...)...
Also, since it was a blocked phone number and you say the voice sounded young - how do you know it was her father? It could have been an older brother who "won't take non o' dat shit 'gainst my sis", or even a boyfriend of hers, with the same viewpoint.
I still think you did the right thing, given the circumstances. Otherwise, this could be political correctness gone mad and a small victory against free speech.
All the best,
Andy
If it's not her father (and honestly, I don't doubt that), then yes, you're correct.  But asking why he's afraid is far different than telling him he's scared.  The blocked number has nothing to do with it.  If you asked him who he was and he refused to answer, then it would come in to play, but since he plainly told you who he was, it matters not.

Also, like I said, the father had every right in the world to call Ender.  He was representing his daughter, who, as I understand, is a minor.  If Ender had hung up and the father kept calling, then it could be seen as harassment, but Ender didn't, and the father didn't, so harassment it cannot be.

The conversation, to me, sounds civil.  No threats were made, no harassing was done, and the father was simply calling to ask for an apology.  Ender didn't have to give an apology, and he knew that, so he didn't.

There's nothing wrong with the phone conversation.
Cybargs
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At least you didn't say she's a whore in the paper, then I think that's ok. But you are kinda bashing her in that article though.
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notorious
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Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:


actually, I am.

and they can't.

they don't pay a dime for our paper. we raise our money ourselves.

we pay for printing, which is done by a professional printing company.


and under CA State law, a student journalist (so long as i don't say, call her a bitchy slut or something, basically i just have to not abuse my position) CAN'T be removed from his position.
So you raise your own money and get it printed yourselves, but where is the paper distributed?  Your school can refuse to distribute the newspaper, effectively leaving you writing for a paper that no one will read.

Also, from the sounds of it, you did call her a slut, you just beat around the bush a bit.
no, i really didn't. when the website gets updated (probably mondayish) i'll link the final printed article to you you, and you'll see.

i can't believe i just said that.


and once again, under CA state law, the school cannot withhold our paper either. wikipedia "the tinker standard."

they've tried before. and failed. and failed again.
After looking up "The Tinker Standard", it says that first amendment rights are not as readily protected for student expression, and I quote:

The First Amendment's freedom of speech protections were not violated by the school district because the First Amendment protection for student expression described in Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, 1969, does not compel a public school to affirmatively sponsor speech that conflicts with its "legitimate pedagogical goals." The school-financed newspaper at issue was also not considered to be a public forum under the totality of circumstances present in the case, and therefore, its editors were entitled to a lower level of First Amendment protection than is applicable to independent student newspapers or those newspapers that have, by policy or practice, opened their pages to student opinion.
So like I said, if the school deems your words inappropriate, it can censor them, but apparently only if it feels the student about whom you were speaking would be negatively affected by your article.  Just because you are writing it in a newspaper (which is not a public forum, mind you), means nothing, provided what you are writing can be regarded as hurtful, negligent, or conflicts with the overall direction of the newspaper.
Fenix14
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defend your honor/right to free speach to the [insert how far you'll go to defend it, eg: to death]
Ender2309
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

So you raise your own money and get it printed yourselves, but where is the paper distributed?  Your school can refuse to distribute the newspaper, effectively leaving you writing for a paper that no one will read.

Also, from the sounds of it, you did call her a slut, you just beat around the bush a bit.
no, i really didn't. when the website gets updated (probably mondayish) i'll link the final printed article to you you, and you'll see.

i can't believe i just said that.


and once again, under CA state law, the school cannot withhold our paper either. wikipedia "the tinker standard."

they've tried before. and failed. and failed again.
After looking up "The Tinker Standard", it says that first amendment rights are not as readily protected for student expression, and I quote:

The First Amendment's freedom of speech protections were not violated by the school district because the First Amendment protection for student expression described in Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, 1969, does not compel a public school to affirmatively sponsor speech that conflicts with its "legitimate pedagogical goals." The school-financed newspaper at issue was also not considered to be a public forum under the totality of circumstances present in the case, and therefore, its editors were entitled to a lower level of First Amendment protection than is applicable to independent student newspapers or those newspapers that have, by policy or practice, opened their pages to student opinion.
So like I said, if the school deems your words inappropriate, it can censor them, but apparently only if it feels the student about whom you were speaking would be negatively affected by your article.  Just because you are writing it in a newspaper (which is not a public forum, mind you), means nothing, provided what you are writing can be regarded as hurtful, negligent, or conflicts with the overall direction of the newspaper.
check your quote. it says "The school financed paper was not considered a public forum....than is applicable to independent student newspapers independent student newspapers (Us)"

according to your own quote, i'm still protected.

furthermore, the article didnt even mention her by name, and it was nice

edit: we also accept any letters to the editor (and print) so long as they follow a few common sense guidelines (vulgarity and such)

Last edited by Ender2309 (2007-02-25 02:24:00)

Cybargs
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TMo:

I think his school only distributes it and his press team has to pay for the making the papers etc. But is the school allowed to stop it? Can you please give me a link to a law that says it because I am very curious.
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If he can get your blocked number, he can find you when you least expect it...just something to think about. But more than likely you're OK.
Ender2309
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Sgt.Zubie wrote:

If he can get your blocked number, he can find you when you least expect it...just something to think about. But more than likely you're OK.
his number was blocked...not mine.

i suspect something far less sinister, the girl probably got it from one of my friends or something.
Sgt.Zubie
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I see, I misunderstood. But like I said I figure you don't have much to worry about. It sounds like a good article to me.

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