Not so. It came in with the creation of the UN.EVieira wrote:
The hell I can't! Taking islands from other countries has been ilegal for a long time...Bertster7 wrote:
It's a different era. 1833 was in the midst of the real age of empires. All the big European countries were at it and there was nothing to say that it was wrong, now we have international laws that prevent colonialism, but you can't very well criticise the British just for being better at it than everybody else.sergeriver wrote:
I thought you were more moderate. You always attack the US foreign policy, yet you defend the Falklands being British only coz people there are Brits. Of course they are Brits, you took the Islands back in 1833 when they were empty, but they still were 15k miles away from UK.
You are wrong, the planes were French, the pilots were Argentinian. Besides, where did you get that 1000 people died in the Belgrano sinking? Read about history m8. The total casualties of the War were 649 Argentinian, yet in teh Belgrano died 1000?SuperMike wrote:
French - shitty surrender monkey traitors !sergeriver wrote:
And the Brits would do well to remember the sinking of "The Sheffield" two days after. And these boys did it with 2 Dassault Super Etendars, French. I think this war was very wrong but don't forget most of our soldiers were kids.SuperMike wrote:
The Argies would do well to remember "THE BELGRANO" & back off or else !
I was refering to the reported 1,000 plus killed/drowned on the Belgrano - the Sheffield was a tragedy
because of the shitty french - but the number of casualties compared to the Belgrano was small.
That war was NOT wrong, WE repelled an invading force & it was the Argie conscripts that were Kids the
British army is and always will be MEN OF COURAGE !
Oh, so you are saying sovereignty was only really accepted after WWII? Right...Vilham wrote:
Well actually it hasnt been illegal for a long time at all. Most international law was enforced after the end of WWII.
Thanks, that reinforces my point. Colonialism is still in practice today and will probably still be in for a long time.Vilham wrote:
And your second point is what? We already know that there are people that will do anything for money.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Russia, China, Khazakstan, Saudi Arabia, Iran need I go on?sergeriver wrote:
You have centuries out there, and we are less than 200 years old. Besides, being 20th in the list is not that bad. You are richer, but not in resources. We have plenty of resources. Who is richer? Name another country with the amount of resources Argentina has, except US.Vilham wrote:
Simple FACT. You are not as rich as the UK. Why would the Falklands choose to change to a poorer country? They wouldn't End of!sergeriver wrote:
Easy Tiger. I just didn't like your comment about a poor country. Get your facts right, before saying we are poor. Yes, we don't take care of our poor people, that's true. But Argentina is far from being poor.
20th in what list? According to the IMF Argentina are 34th, according to the World Bank 32nd. The UK come 5th, just behind China.
The UN was formed after WWII. Get your words and facts correct. There was no international law therefore how can invading another country be illegal? It cant.EVieira wrote:
Oh, so you are saying sovereignty was only really accepted after WWII? Right...Vilham wrote:
Well actually it hasnt been illegal for a long time at all. Most international law was enforced after the end of WWII.Thanks, that reinforces my point. Colonialism is still in practice today and will probably still be in for a long time.Vilham wrote:
And your second point is what? We already know that there are people that will do anything for money.
You still haven't stated what your point is. Every country in the world has people like this.
No. But there was no law against invading sovreign nations.EVieira wrote:
Oh, so you are saying sovereignty was only really accepted after WWII? Right...Vilham wrote:
Well actually it hasnt been illegal for a long time at all. Most international law was enforced after the end of WWII.
Read the GDP (PPP) list (Purchasing Power Parity). We are 22nd according to the IMF, 18th according to the World Bank and 20th to the CIA. Besides, I don't care. You are richer. But you are wrong about the resources. Saudi Arabia? They only have oil. Check Argentina. We have more than just oil. Name a resource we have it. Plain and simple as that. I don't want to get into another my country is better than your BS thread. You win. UK is the best.Bertster7 wrote:
Russia, China, Khazakstan, Saudi Arabia, Iran need I go on?sergeriver wrote:
You have centuries out there, and we are less than 200 years old. Besides, being 20th in the list is not that bad. You are richer, but not in resources. We have plenty of resources. Who is richer? Name another country with the amount of resources Argentina has, except US.Vilham wrote:
Simple FACT. You are not as rich as the UK. Why would the Falklands choose to change to a poorer country? They wouldn't End of!
20th in what list? According to the IMF Argentina are 34th, according to the World Bank 32nd. The UK come 5th, just behind China.
We arent claiming to be better. But the simple fact is NO country would change its nation to one that is less well off. It just wouldnt happen.sergeriver wrote:
Read the GDP (PPP) list (Purchasing Power Parity). We are 22nd according to the IMF, 18th according to the World Bank and 20th to the CIA. Besides, I don't care. You are richer. But you are wrong about the resources. Saudi Arabia? They only have oil. Check Argentina. We have more than just oil. Name a resource we have it. Plain and simple as that. I don't want to get into another my country is better than your BS thread. You win. UK is the best.Bertster7 wrote:
Russia, China, Khazakstan, Saudi Arabia, Iran need I go on?sergeriver wrote:
You have centuries out there, and we are less than 200 years old. Besides, being 20th in the list is not that bad. You are richer, but not in resources. We have plenty of resources. Who is richer? Name another country with the amount of resources Argentina has, except US.
20th in what list? According to the IMF Argentina are 34th, according to the World Bank 32nd. The UK come 5th, just behind China.
Ah, by PPP. Makes sense. I suppose the non PPP listings will have been distorted by the deliberatesergeriver wrote:
Read the GDP (PPP) list (Purchasing Power Parity). We are 22nd according to the IMF, 18th according to the World Bank and 20th to the CIA. Besides, I don't care. You are richer. But you are wrong about the resources. Saudi Arabia? They only have oil. Check Argentina. We have more than just oil. Name a resource we have it. Plain and simple as that. I don't want to get into another my country is better than your BS thread. You win. UK is the best.Bertster7 wrote:
Russia, China, Khazakstan, Saudi Arabia, Iran need I go on?sergeriver wrote:
You have centuries out there, and we are less than 200 years old. Besides, being 20th in the list is not that bad. You are richer, but not in resources. We have plenty of resources. Who is richer? Name another country with the amount of resources Argentina has, except US.
20th in what list? According to the IMF Argentina are 34th, according to the World Bank 32nd. The UK come 5th, just behind China.
Saudi Arabia may only have oil, but they have a lot of it. It's worth an immense amount. Diversity of resources is not very important in a globalised economy.
Tell me one thing, do things cost the same in UK than here? I don't think so. That's why you have a PPP.Bertster7 wrote:
Ah, by PPP. Makes sense. I suppose the non PPP listings will have been distorted by the deliberatesergeriver wrote:
Read the GDP (PPP) list (Purchasing Power Parity). We are 22nd according to the IMF, 18th according to the World Bank and 20th to the CIA. Besides, I don't care. You are richer. But you are wrong about the resources. Saudi Arabia? They only have oil. Check Argentina. We have more than just oil. Name a resource we have it. Plain and simple as that. I don't want to get into another my country is better than your BS thread. You win. UK is the best.Bertster7 wrote:
Russia, China, Khazakstan, Saudi Arabia, Iran need I go on?
20th in what list? According to the IMF Argentina are 34th, according to the World Bank 32nd. The UK come 5th, just behind China.
Saudi Arabia may only have oil, but they have a lot of it. It's worth an immense amount. Diversity of resources is not very important in a globalised economy.
When you don't have your own Electricity, gas, coal, etc, tell me if it's not very important. Learn some Russian, just in case.
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Not yet.EVieira wrote:
There are alot of places in the world that don't have people, doesn't mean anyone can just take it for themselves. Why don't you try to invade some of the uninhabited islands around Hawaii? And as I've said, its a small example of he bad things. Enlightened now?aardfrith wrote:
If, as Serge says, there were no inhabitants on the islands, how is it a ruthless action or atrocity? I know we have a chequered past and done some very bad things - we don't have very far to look for many of them (Ireland) - but I don't see this as being one of them. If you could enlighten me as to how this was bad, go ahead.Evieira wrote:
The Falklands/Malvines is but a small example of a very long list of ruthless actions and atrocites commited by the united kingdom when it was a world power.
If Wikipedia is to be trusted on this, the first settlers were French so where's the Argentinian claim to them come from? Merely by location or did Argentina have people living there after the French left? The first discovery of the islands was by a British (English?) man in 1690, long before the Argentinians even knew they were there, and they were named after the patron of the expedition.
As far as islands around the oceans that we lay claim to, why is nothing being said about Bermuda, the Pitcairn Islands, Ascension Island, Australia, heck we took most of the Carribean at one time or another. I doubt most of those were uninhabited at the time. Those were ruthless acts. The Falklands wasn't.
And yes, if there is an island that is lying dormant, that has nobody living on it, nobody using it, I don't see any reason why another nation shouldn't settle it. If someone wishes to colonise Balta Island in the Shetlands, be my guest.
I was agreeing with you about PPP - even if I did forget to finish my sentence (I was going to go on about how the Peso has been deliberately kept at a low value).sergeriver wrote:
Tell me one thing, do things cost the same in UK than here? I don't think so. That's why you have a PPP.Bertster7 wrote:
Ah, by PPP. Makes sense. I suppose the non PPP listings will have been distorted by the deliberatesergeriver wrote:
Read the GDP (PPP) list (Purchasing Power Parity). We are 22nd according to the IMF, 18th according to the World Bank and 20th to the CIA. Besides, I don't care. You are richer. But you are wrong about the resources. Saudi Arabia? They only have oil. Check Argentina. We have more than just oil. Name a resource we have it. Plain and simple as that. I don't want to get into another my country is better than your BS thread. You win. UK is the best.
Saudi Arabia may only have oil, but they have a lot of it. It's worth an immense amount. Diversity of resources is not very important in a globalised economy.
When you don't have your own Electricity, gas, coal, etc, tell me if it's not very important. Learn some Russian, just in case.
The UK doesn't have that many resources (although coal is one thing we do have but should be moving away from using). I was merely refuting your claim that Argentina had more resources than anyone but the US, which is a totally unfounded claim.
please stay on topic or some mean moderator will come along and close this somewhat interesting thread.
this is not an england vs. argentina thread. leave those rivalries for the football field.
here's how to settle it:
brits won the falkland war in 1982 1-0 for the brits
argentina won via the hand of god goal in 1986 1-1 tie
this is not an england vs. argentina thread. leave those rivalries for the football field.
here's how to settle it:
brits won the falkland war in 1982 1-0 for the brits
argentina won via the hand of god goal in 1986 1-1 tie
Ladies, ladies, handbags....
This is getting way out of hand. I'm suprised to see you getting so worked up about it Serge (although a lot of people (myself included to an extent) have been taunting you a bit - speaking for myself, it's all very good natured). No one is taking the piss out of Argentina, but no one is suggesting they're a major player on the world stage either.
I think the Falklands war was perfectly justified and the British won it, which is no big suprise considering the enormous disparity in military expenditure between the two nations.
This is getting way out of hand. I'm suprised to see you getting so worked up about it Serge (although a lot of people (myself included to an extent) have been taunting you a bit - speaking for myself, it's all very good natured). No one is taking the piss out of Argentina, but no one is suggesting they're a major player on the world stage either.
I think the Falklands war was perfectly justified and the British won it, which is no big suprise considering the enormous disparity in military expenditure between the two nations.
We put up with Thatcher for longer than that.SuperMike wrote:
So you saddos put up with a Mad dictator for 7 years? lolsergeriver wrote:
1976-1983 u bigot.
To be fair though thatcher brought us out of the depression.
Emm, you forget the second goal. That fixed the first one, lol.superfly_cox wrote:
please stay on topic or some mean moderator will come along and close this somewhat interesting thread.
this is not an england vs. argentina thread. leave those rivalries for the football field.
here's how to settle it:
brits won the falkland war in 1982 1-0 for the brits
argentina won via the hand of god goal in 1986 1-1 tie
Then Beckam kicked their ass with a proper goal - NO CHEATINGsuperfly_cox wrote:
please stay on topic or some mean moderator will come along and close this somewhat interesting thread.
this is not an england vs. argentina thread. leave those rivalries for the football field.
here's how to settle it:
brits won the falkland war in 1982 1-0 for the brits
argentina won via the hand of god goal in 1986 1-1 tie
I think the Islands are British. I told you before. I don't want them, and I don't want to be a major player either. We are doing fine, thanks. And to be honest, usmarine accomplished what he was seeking. He made a lot of Brits I like from this forum to take it on me.Bertster7 wrote:
Ladies, ladies, handbags....
This is getting way out of hand. I'm suprised to see you getting so worked up about it Serge (although a lot of people (myself included to an extent) have been taunting you a bit - speaking for myself, it's all very good natured). No one is taking the piss out of Argentina, but no one is suggesting they're a major player on the world stage either.
I think the Falklands war was perfectly justified and the British won it, which is no big suprise considering the enormous disparity in military expenditure between the two nations.We put up with Thatcher for longer than that.SuperMike wrote:
So you saddos put up with a Mad dictator for 7 years? lolsergeriver wrote:
1976-1983 u bigot.
@SuperMike you are a bigot.
First round doesn't count. Besides, he is a lame player. What did happen in 1998? Mmm, I don't remember. Oh, again out courtesy of Argentina. Cheers m8.SuperMike wrote:
Then Beckam kicked their ass with a proper goal - NO CHEATINGsuperfly_cox wrote:
please stay on topic or some mean moderator will come along and close this somewhat interesting thread.
this is not an england vs. argentina thread. leave those rivalries for the football field.
here's how to settle it:
brits won the falkland war in 1982 1-0 for the brits
argentina won via the hand of god goal in 1986 1-1 tie
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You leftie berk, Maggie was a reformer of sad trade union dinosuars & cunts like Arthur scargill who went into a strike with a big union & small house & came out of that with a small union & a BIG house?Bertster7 wrote:
Ladies, ladies, handbags....
This is getting way out of hand. I'm suprised to see you getting so worked up about it Serge (although a lot of people (myself included to an extent) have been taunting you a bit - speaking for myself, it's all very good natured). No one is taking the piss out of Argentina, but no one is suggesting they're a major player on the world stage either.
I think the Falklands war was perfectly justified and the British won it, which is no big suprise considering the enormous disparity in military expenditure between the two nations.We put up with Thatcher for longer than that.SuperMike wrote:
So you saddos put up with a Mad dictator for 7 years? lolsergeriver wrote:
1976-1983 u bigot.
I suppose you think that wanker Blair is the best ?
Last edited by SuperMike (2007-02-23 10:18:33)
He's good on set pieces. But I agree he's overated - better than the Americans he'll be playing against at the moment though.sergeriver wrote:
First round doesn't count. Besides, he is a lame player.SuperMike wrote:
Then Beckam kicked their ass with a proper goal - NO CHEATINGsuperfly_cox wrote:
please stay on topic or some mean moderator will come along and close this somewhat interesting thread.
this is not an england vs. argentina thread. leave those rivalries for the football field.
here's how to settle it:
brits won the falkland war in 1982 1-0 for the brits
argentina won via the hand of god goal in 1986 1-1 tie
Hes older now - but he aint a cheat like marragonna - Beckhams a multi-millionair not a fat bastard cheating has been !sergeriver wrote:
First round doesn't count. Besides, he is a lame player. What did happen in 1998? Mmm, I don't remember. Oh, again out courtesy of Argentina. Cheers m8.SuperMike wrote:
Then Beckam kicked their ass with a proper goal - NO CHEATINGsuperfly_cox wrote:
please stay on topic or some mean moderator will come along and close this somewhat interesting thread.
this is not an england vs. argentina thread. leave those rivalries for the football field.
here's how to settle it:
brits won the falkland war in 1982 1-0 for the brits
argentina won via the hand of god goal in 1986 1-1 tie
Actually I'd say Clement Atlee was the best.SuperMike wrote:
You leftie berk, Maggie was a reformer of sad trade union dinosuars & cunts like Arthur scargill who went into a strike with a big union & small house & came out of that with a small union & a BIG house?Bertster7 wrote:
Ladies, ladies, handbags....
This is getting way out of hand. I'm suprised to see you getting so worked up about it Serge (although a lot of people (myself included to an extent) have been taunting you a bit - speaking for myself, it's all very good natured). No one is taking the piss out of Argentina, but no one is suggesting they're a major player on the world stage either.
I think the Falklands war was perfectly justified and the British won it, which is no big suprise considering the enormous disparity in military expenditure between the two nations.We put up with Thatcher for longer than that.SuperMike wrote:
So you saddos put up with a Mad dictator for 7 years? lol
I suppose you think that wanker Blair is the best ?
Blair is a prick, I'd rather have Brown, at least he has a good grasp of what's best for the economy.
Better English players than Beckham: Lampard, Joe Cole, John Terry, (I will stop naming Chelsea players), Rooney, and a lot more. He's better than the Americans indeed.Bertster7 wrote:
He's good on set pieces. But I agree he's overated - better than the Americans he'll be playing against at the moment though.sergeriver wrote:
First round doesn't count. Besides, he is a lame player.SuperMike wrote:
Then Beckam kicked their ass with a proper goal - NO CHEATING