Macs are only good for porn and iTunes and no viruses. Everything else is no good unless you use Boot Camp.
Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Less software = less choice. No matter how you look at it, lacking compatibility with the majority of software applications is not an advantage. There is no argument here.
* So, what you're saying is rather than having a few dozen different messaging apps (for example) windows has a few hundred? So? There are smeg loads of apps available for OS X either native or available through via the use of X11
And? Not supporting DirectX removes a very popular function of today's computers. The video game industry is larger than the music industry now. Not being able to play 99% of these games is pretty significant.
* I seriously doubt Microsoft would license DirectX to Apple. Second of all if you DO want to run DirectX games or windows apps on OS X then are programs available that allow that. (i'd find the cedega one but I don't think it's available yet, vmware fusion btw on full release will have DirectX 9 support including D3D.)
Here it becomes evident that you are just talking out of your ass. Not only can you NOT build and customize your Mac to your needs, you pay a high premium just for the pretty white enclosure. A Mac with the same hardware specs as a PC will almost always cost a significant amount more. Not to mention, when your Mac becomes obsolete, you need to buy a whole new computer, not just make a few simple upgrades.
* You've misunderstood here, I thought I had made it clear, evidently I hadn't. I was referring to desktop macs. In other words I agree that mac desktops are ripoff pricing. I disagree on the obsolete part though, what about the obsoleting of LOTS of machines by Vista? And don't pretend that people will simply buy new processors, motherboards, graphics cards etc and rebuild their machine. Because only the techies (us) do that and we're what? 5% if not less of the pc market? All the normal people go to pc world etc and buy themselves some hp or somesuch machine which is "vista certified".
And we're back to square one. Why pay the premium for a Mac when you can get a Windows-based laptop with more functionality and software compatibility all at a lower price?
* Again, the price parity between mac laptops and pc laptops for the exact same hardware is pretty much identical. The only extra thing you're paying for is applecare and a few little extras. EDIT: By the way, the more functionality is a Non sequitur, that's a wild assumption. Give me an example of more functionality please and I still don't know what the hell you're talking about in regards to the software compatibility bit.
The only advantage the Mac has over the PC is its stylish and ergonomic design. That said, is just having a computer that "looks cool" worth sacrificing functionality, upgradability, and software compatibility while paying a significantly higher premium?
* I'm calling you out on this, here you show YOU are talking out of your arse. Have you used OS X for more than a few minutes?
I have been using computers for donkeys years from the good old Commodore 64, Amiga, BeOS, various Linux distro's and numerous versions of windows (starting at 2.0) and i'm telling you here and now OS X is a significantly better desktop operating system than anything else I have used previously. And again, i'd remind you this is a discussion about laptops not desktops. I dunno what you're talking about functionality wise everything that I can do on a pc I can do on a mac, upgradability? For laptops again exact same level of upgradability as pc laptops. Software compatibility? You means windows apps? See what I said above (second point).
The mind boggles..._j5689_ wrote:
Macs are only good for porn and iTunes and no viruses. Everything else is no good unless you use Boot Camp.
I'm a gnu unix utils user so OS X is a godsend to me. (previously I used various Linux distros) And second replace what you just said (Macs) with Firefox and you're guaranteed to solve your porn browsing solution on all platforms.
Another EDIT: By the way, I'd just like to reiterate that I have only owned a macbook for the last couple of months. My desktop pc is a windows based machine for my gaming. (since I can hardly fit the X1900XTX into the Macbook.)
Last edited by EvilMonkeySlayer (2007-02-19 02:01:14)
$3000 for a PC with a 7300GT isn't exactly my idea of being worth it. "Oh, but you can emulators and stuff..." why go to the trouble?d4rkst4r wrote:
Go with mac, ive used both. The extra security is worth the money
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-02-19 04:33:00)
Windows Windows Windows.
for BF2, Mac is a hassle and you can get a faster PC than Mac.
for BF2, Mac is a hassle and you can get a faster PC than Mac.
Why does no one read the start of these threads?
Biggles - He does want a gaming laptop. How about you learn to read the start of topics before posting.
Newbie - You really are one aren't you. Macs weren't built primarily for gaming. They are made for extreme ease of use, security, web and image development. Adobe products were built for the Mac originally, but I'm sure as a Windows fanboy, you knew that already.
___________________
I would recommend you go with a MacBook! Dual boot is an option if you want to use Windows, and they are generally much more responsive. My brother recently arrived home with a MacBook and I must admit, as an avid PC user, they are fantastic. Its GUI is to die for, and I say that as someone who at this very instant is running Vista Ultimate with Motion Backgrounds.
You won't regret getting a MacBook, believe me! I'd also recommend looking at some of those Titanium iBooks, as I'm sure they are a great deal cheaper now. I myself have been looking for a laptop, and I mighy just get it!
If you do want to go for a PC, my other brother brought home a fascinating HP DV8000. It's certainly the best looking Windows-only laptop I've ever seen, and is VERY easy to use. Although, as you aren't going to be doing any gaming, I'd recommend that you do go for the MacBook in the end!
- The person who has used both the latest Macs and PCs.
Biggles - He does want a gaming laptop. How about you learn to read the start of topics before posting.
Newbie - You really are one aren't you. Macs weren't built primarily for gaming. They are made for extreme ease of use, security, web and image development. Adobe products were built for the Mac originally, but I'm sure as a Windows fanboy, you knew that already.
___________________
I would recommend you go with a MacBook! Dual boot is an option if you want to use Windows, and they are generally much more responsive. My brother recently arrived home with a MacBook and I must admit, as an avid PC user, they are fantastic. Its GUI is to die for, and I say that as someone who at this very instant is running Vista Ultimate with Motion Backgrounds.
You won't regret getting a MacBook, believe me! I'd also recommend looking at some of those Titanium iBooks, as I'm sure they are a great deal cheaper now. I myself have been looking for a laptop, and I mighy just get it!
If you do want to go for a PC, my other brother brought home a fascinating HP DV8000. It's certainly the best looking Windows-only laptop I've ever seen, and is VERY easy to use. Although, as you aren't going to be doing any gaming, I'd recommend that you do go for the MacBook in the end!
- The person who has used both the latest Macs and PCs.
Amen brother, i'm amazed at how many people in this thread have not even bothered to read the post in full. Hell, the constant mentions of games, DirectX etc even though he explicitly said it wasn't for games is astounding.leetkyle wrote:
Why does no one read the start of these threads?
Biggles - He does want a gaming laptop. How about you learn to read the start of topics before posting.
Newbie - You really are one aren't you. Macs weren't built primarily for gaming. They are made for extreme ease of use, security, web and image development. Adobe products were built for the Mac originally, but I'm sure as a Windows fanboy, you knew that already.
___________________
I would recommend you go with a MacBook! Dual boot is an option if you want to use Windows, and they are generally much more responsive. My brother recently arrived home with a MacBook and I must admit, as an avid PC user, they are fantastic. Its GUI is to die for, and I say that as someone who at this very instant is running Vista Ultimate with Motion Backgrounds.
You won't regret getting a MacBook, believe me! I'd also recommend looking at some of those Titanium iBooks, as I'm sure they are a great deal cheaper now. I myself have been looking for a laptop, and I mighy just get it!
If you do want to go for a PC, my other brother brought home a fascinating HP DV8000. It's certainly the best looking Windows-only laptop I've ever seen, and is VERY easy to use. Although, as you aren't going to be doing any gaming, I'd recommend that you do go for the MacBook in the end!
- The person who has used both the latest Macs and PCs.
I guess in general it would have been better in a more tech focused forum for Shadow893 to ask that question, rather than a bf2 gaming forum. You're guaranteed to have people who don't read it and make false assumptions.
By the way leetkyle you may want to stick a "not" between the words "does" and "want".
Does that help anyone who skips to the end of a thread instantly?Shadow893 wrote:
So i thought I would buy a new laptop for myself. Just to do the usual things like word prcoessing ect. and to not play games. Then I remembered about Mac. After some research I thought Mac was the only way to go, but then the price was a tiny bit more expensive ~£200 more expensive than for a similar spec. windows laptop. This has put me of it a tiny bit, but if the improved security and all that balls is better than I will spend a little bit more.
So I'm asking the guys who have had EXPERIANCE with BOTH operating systems to help me make my final decision.
Just a reminder - I won't be needing a machine for games - mainly school work etc. You get the idea.
BTW: thanks evilmonkeyslayer - nice info and ignore fancy_bollox lol. Looks like i will most likely be getting a macbook in the end. but keep discussing - NOT FLAMING
Mac are the best... I want to have Mac's babies! They're expensive but I think you get what you pay for. I work in design and it's much easier to work with Mac because it's by far the more popular amongst designers etc. My most pro-PC mate has recently switched to Mac and he was militantly in favour of PC's before.
It doesn't matter what each side says. I use a mac and a pc at work. I travel with my macbook pro and I use it home as well for everything but gaming. I think in the end it boils down to personal preference. You have obviously used a pc before so you know what your getting with windows. Go play with os x for a while and do your homework on what programs you would like to use. If your still having some question about whether this will or will not work pm me and I can help. I can almost guarantee anything you want to do on your pc you will be able to do on your mac.
Linux > Mac > Windows
Oh dear. I agree with Fancy. That's unusual.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Less software = less choice. No matter how you look at it, lacking compatibility with the majority of software applications is not an advantage. There is no argument here.EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:
It has less crap too, macs have the same kind of software as windows and all the big apps like photoshop etc are availble for the mac.And? Not supporting DirectX removes a very popular function of today's computers. The video game industry is larger than the music industry now. Not being able to play 99% of these games is pretty significant.EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:
Of course macs don't support DirectX, it's a Microsoft specific api for windows. (If you really want to you can install bootcamp and use that to play windows games, however the poster mentioned this isn't for games)Here it becomes evident that you are just talking out of your ass. Not only can you NOT build and customize your Mac to your needs, you pay a high premium just for the pretty white enclosure. A Mac with the same hardware specs as a PC will almost always cost a significant amount more. Not to mention, when your Mac becomes obsolete, you need to buy a whole new computer, not just make a few simple upgrades.EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:
On desktop pc's they're ripoff prices, for laptops the price parity is pretty much the same between pc and mac laptops for the same hardware.And we're back to square one. Why pay the premium for a Mac when you can get a Windows-based laptop with more functionality and software compatibility all at a lower price?EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:
He's talking about a laptop here, generally laptops aren't that upgradeable. However, my Macbook has the same level of upgradability as a pc laptop. I can change the memory and hard drive.
The only advantage the Mac has over the PC is its stylish and ergonomic design. That said, is just having a computer that "looks cool" worth sacrificing functionality, upgradability, and software compatibility while paying a significantly higher premium?
With PCs you get higher end hardware at a lower price. If you want to use OS X or Linux or whatever then by all means do, but you'll sacrifice compatibility, which is always a pain in the arse.
There's only two things Macs are good for; looking pretty and running Final Cut Pro.
I use both. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. Weighing them up against your needs, ie no gaming(most have over looked that fact in their arguments) a mac with open office is best for you.
I just put an extra gig of ram and new duel processors in my old G4. I can record 18 32bit full channels of audio at the same time for hours at a time without a glitch and mix it all down with effects, again without a glitch. I use a 3.4 p4 with 2gb ram specially built for audio for the synths and it can just manage 6 channels and it crashes constantly.
For audio, graphics, video editing MAC is a must as it is the most stable platform by far for professionals.
For gaming and genera, lightly home use a PC works out best.
Still I would go for a MAC simply because you don't want to game on it.
I just put an extra gig of ram and new duel processors in my old G4. I can record 18 32bit full channels of audio at the same time for hours at a time without a glitch and mix it all down with effects, again without a glitch. I use a 3.4 p4 with 2gb ram specially built for audio for the synths and it can just manage 6 channels and it crashes constantly.
For audio, graphics, video editing MAC is a must as it is the most stable platform by far for professionals.
For gaming and genera, lightly home use a PC works out best.
Still I would go for a MAC simply because you don't want to game on it.
No problem. I suggest you don't do what I did though...Shadow893 wrote:
Does that help anyone who skips to the end of a thread instantly?Shadow893 wrote:
So i thought I would buy a new laptop for myself. Just to do the usual things like word prcoessing ect. and to not play games. Then I remembered about Mac. After some research I thought Mac was the only way to go, but then the price was a tiny bit more expensive ~£200 more expensive than for a similar spec. windows laptop. This has put me of it a tiny bit, but if the improved security and all that balls is better than I will spend a little bit more.
So I'm asking the guys who have had EXPERIANCE with BOTH operating systems to help me make my final decision.
Just a reminder - I won't be needing a machine for games - mainly school work etc. You get the idea.
BTW: thanks evilmonkeyslayer - nice info and ignore fancy_bollox lol. Looks like i will most likely be getting a macbook in the end. but keep discussing - NOT FLAMING
I originally wanted to buy a custom Macbook from the online apple store but I didn't have much time before I was going on holiday to Australia & New Zealand (just a few days) so I went to pc world (hangs head in shame) and bought a black Macbook.
I originally wanted one of the lower end white macbooks (processor wise) with a larger hard drive and 2GB of mem. But alas it wasn't to be since I didn't have the time, good thing is I took it with me on holiday and it turned out to be a godsend.
I have a Canon EOS 400D the images average between 9MB to 14MB in size, my previous laptop was a IBM Thinkpad T22 (900MHz Pentium 3, maxed it out with 512MB ram, 80GB hdd etc).. I think it's best left said that processing such large images using digital photo professional (canon raw image program) is not nice on such a low end laptop.
Anyway, I digress.. If you're buying a Macbook buy a custom one from the online apple store. That way you're going to get a laptop that best suits your needs.
Oh and by the way.. I kicked myself when I got to heathrow a few days after I bought the macbook... because of the no taxes/duty free thing the EXACT same macbook (black one) was going for about £100-£200 cheaper in the shops at heathrow.
EDIT: JahManRed, have you tried NeoOffice? It's open office using cocoa.. much, much nicer.
Last edited by EvilMonkeySlayer (2007-02-21 14:49:21)
Mac, Mac, MAC!!
Fancy is WRONG----
Mac's can run 100% of Mac software PLUS 100% of Windows software...you get much better access to software with a Mac.
Mac's have better security.
Mac's boot instantly rather than waiting several minutes for a windows machine to load.
Mac's just work better.
Mac OS X is light years beyond Vista, XP, etc.
Mac's offer a more enjoyable user experience
Go MAC, seriously you will not be sorry...just look at all the terrible Vista reviews...
Check out www.macdailynews.com
Fancy is WRONG----
Mac's can run 100% of Mac software PLUS 100% of Windows software...you get much better access to software with a Mac.
Mac's have better security.
Mac's boot instantly rather than waiting several minutes for a windows machine to load.
Mac's just work better.
Mac OS X is light years beyond Vista, XP, etc.
Mac's offer a more enjoyable user experience
Go MAC, seriously you will not be sorry...just look at all the terrible Vista reviews...
Check out www.macdailynews.com
just happens to be a mac sounding website lolCheddarmuff wrote:
Go MAC, seriously you will not be sorry...just look at all the terrible Vista reviews...
Check out www.macdailynews.com
i own 2 pcs.. im all PCed out.. next purchase which will be in the next couple of months is a macbook.. i suggest you do the same.. get the minimum configuration 1 then add ram and more hd if u need to.. cheaper that way
I bet your name is Bill Gates......................or you're all on the nuts.........Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Windows.
-Macs only make up 5% of the market, and most of that is in development.
-Macs only have a fraction of the software that Windows has.
-Macs do not support DirectX, meaning there's literally only 3 or 4 games you can play.
-Macs are more expensive.
-Macs cannot be upgraded.
EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:
Of course macs don't support DirectX, it's a Microsoft specific api for windows. (If you really want to you can install bootcamp and use that to play windows games, however the poster mentioned this isn't for games)
Do you really not understand what I won't be needing a machine for games - mainly school work etc. means?Fancy_Bollox wrote:
And? Not supporting DirectX removes a very popular function of today's computers. The video game industry is larger than the music industry now. Not being able to play 99% of these games is pretty significant.
Not yet bought the laptop Shadow893?
I still highly recommend you buy a customised Macbook from the apple store. That way you can have one specific for your needs without having to spend excessively on features you won't use.
I still highly recommend you buy a customised Macbook from the apple store. That way you can have one specific for your needs without having to spend excessively on features you won't use.
I assume by faster you mean CPU speed, truth is that a faster CPU is not always better.BigglesPiP wrote:
Windows Windows Windows.
for BF2, Mac is a hassle and you can get a faster PC than Mac.
I introduced a friend of mine to 3D graphics, specifically a program called Imagine3D. He ran it on his 486DX2/66 and I ran it on my 7.14 MHz Amiga 500 (68000 CPU same as Macs of the time). My Amiga would render 3x and sometimes even 4x faster than his PC machine which was almost 10x faster in CPU MHz. When our college upgraded it's video lab to Screamernet we used Lightwave on PCs and Amigas and it was the same thing, the Amiga's always ran better and even with slower clocks.
I'm not a Mac fan, though the TV spots crack me up a bit "sad realization: deny or allow?". I would own a Mac though, if I got back into serious video work again I would use QTHD which natural would be better suited to edit on a Mac. Gaming, PC all the way.
Mac for lappy. Windows 4 PC. (it should stay that way)
Go with whatever you are used to, if you are used to Mac OS stick with it, if you are used to Windows stick with that. It will save you time and frustration learning the nuances of a new OS, especially if all you are really after is word processing etc. But.... if you are rich, and crave style above all else, get a Mac.
I've already decided that for my 2 year upgrade in the summer I'm going all out for a 24 inch iMac. I just hope that it wont become obsolete in a matter of months. Thats always the problem with Apple stuff, a new and better one is always around the corner!
That video is class, of all the mac piss taking videos it's the only truly good one.PMcS wrote:
Go with whatever you are used to, if you are used to Mac OS stick with it, if you are used to Windows stick with that. It will save you time and frustration learning the nuances of a new OS, especially if all you are really after is word processing etc. But.... if you are rich, and crave style above all else, get a Mac.