twiistaaa
Member
+87|6871|mexico
its a good question. i never thought australia was that bad.

but looking over murders and murders with firearms australia doesn't rank nearly as bad as the US.

i suppose thefts are high because well.. its not hard to pull off lol. esp alot of our older cars (i have heard).

Last edited by twiistaaa (2007-02-19 04:56:37)

[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi
Why walk when you can dance?
+77|6790|sWEEDen
The laws in each country also affects the stats....many things legal in one country are illegal in others.

I know for sure that a very high percentage of crimes are reported in Sweden, and we do have plenty of crimes here, but most of the soo called crimes are really softcore crimes and not hardcore. None the less we are going downhill, crime are getting worse and more hardcore then before, but still we live very safe, not really due to the efforts of our policeforce....it´s more due to our society and education in general.
mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
+879|6924|Sydney, Australia
This thread is another "My country is better than yours".
While this is true, I'll let is stay open in the hope that some useful (non country bashing) discussion happens.


Bad mouth Australia, and I'll 'mcmod' ya. Ok?
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6570|Columbus, Ohio

mcminty wrote:

This thread is another "My country is better than yours".
While this is true, I'll let is stay open in the hope that some useful (non country bashing) discussion happens.


Bad mouth Australia, and I'll 'mcmod' ya. Ok?
When in rome.....
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6764

Kmarion wrote:

This is a 2003 report but it says the cost of crime cost Australia 32 Billion dollars. That's an awful lot considering you gdp isn't it (5percent)? http://www.aic.gov.au/media/2003/20030409.html
A quick Google suggests that the US has about the same ($650 billion, $4500 per household), although I can find anything from an authoratative source (e.g. Department of Justice) providing an estimate.  Deparment of Justice did issue this, but it doesn't provide an overall estimate.  To the end it quotes $638 per person as the cost of the Justice System, but this doesn't take into account the costs of the crime itself.  I suspect that 5% is about standard in the West, with a much higher rate elsewhere (e.g. South America, Africa etc.).
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6849
What do you expect? It was originally a penal colony.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6764

Spark wrote:

Superglueman wrote:

....this is the second thread in as many weeks, supposedly showing official statistics highlighting every country as ruined and fugged up....except america...

...

...AUSTRALIA IS THE BEST COUNTRY, THE u.s IS THE ASS END OF THE WORLD....everyone knows it...
You do know what would happen if we WEREN'T the US's ally, right?
Not alot.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6804|132 and Bush

Superglueman wrote:

....this is the second thread in as many weeks, supposedly showing official statistics highlighting every country as ruined and fugged up....except america...

What a load of shit...and what a self righteous continent....The US are on their Roman empire "high" at the moment and are in overdrive, trying to ruin the reps of every one else but themselves....ruining other cultures so as to seem superior....

Crime in Australia is manufactured/created by the US....

.....Rape became commonplace here in Aust. as soon as the internet arrived(surprise surprise), mens(esp. young mens) respect for woman(esp. non rich women) here deteriorated even more, immigration was increased on a society already in racial flux, worthy jobs were made impossible to obtain to all but the best looking people, racial hatred constantly fostered through Tv.......hell, tv even made an announcment a few years ago that depression is going to rise to 75% of the pop. soon......no reason given, they just seem to know it would....funny that...

you see... if you expose the individual to constant change, you will confuse them(as a person or as a society).

From there you can bully them by "letting them know"they lack the skills for the modern(changing) society, then you either sell them that which they already had, or make them give up something important(religion,marriage,love,fulltime work) in exchange for something they do not need(which is detrimental to them) like computer addiction, porn, "cool"crime, casual jobs, loveless life.....

Now when you try to bullshit someone(or an entire society) constantly, and they can tell...they get pretty pissed off....         and that will lead to violence (tv constantly feeds violent instincts)

So the anger is there, the knowledge of violent acts is there, the racial indifference is there, the confusion is there........

America(and the other rich elites) want a world where they alone are the priveliged, wasting the last of the worlds resources alone, while everyone else is reduced to "human waste"

Its obvious the industrial age is over and there's millions of working class worldwide that they(the rich) have NO use for......
So, to dispose of them and to help the class system along, they are using tv to make particular people worldwide(non beautiful)hate themselves (then provoke destroying themselves/their life)....

AUSTRALIA IS THE BEST COUNTRY, THE u.s IS THE ASS END OF THE WORLD....everyone knows it...
There are plenty of other nations that have their negative stats pointed out. Spend a couple minutes and look.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6570|Columbus, Ohio

Superglueman wrote:

Crime in Australia is manufactured/created by the US....
lol lol lol lol lol lol

Do me a favor, go stand in front of mirror, point at it, and repeat the phrase "I am not crazy, you are" a few hundred times.
weamo8
Member
+50|6646|USA
I got the information below in an e-mail, and I am not sure how acurate it is.  However, I have found similar information on several other websites.  It may all be a conspiracy, I dont know.  Does anyone have any information on this?

"It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year re! sults a re now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns."
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6804|132 and Bush

weamo8 wrote:

I got the information below in an e-mail, and I am not sure how acurate it is.  However, I have found similar information on several other websites.  It may all be a conspiracy, I dont know.  Does anyone have any information on this?

"It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year re! sults a re now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns."
I would be weary of any email that does not cite a source. As I pointed out before most of the numbers I posted were from 2000 and there has been some improvement since.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
weamo8
Member
+50|6646|USA

Kmarion wrote:

weamo8 wrote:

I got the information below in an e-mail, and I am not sure how acurate it is.  However, I have found similar information on several other websites.  It may all be a conspiracy, I dont know.  Does anyone have any information on this?

"It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year re! sults a re now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns."
I would be weary of any email that does not cite a source. As I pointed out before most of the numbers I posted were from 2000 and there has been some improvement since.
I agree.  That is why I was asking if anyone has any legit information.  I do believe that gun control has made crime rates increase in Australia.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6764
This, and there are others, I just can't spot them.  Gun restrictions did reduce homicides in Australia though.  When was the last Port Arthur?
BVC
Member
+325|6898
Hmmm just as I fired up this thread Beds are Burning by Midnight Oil came on the radio...
VinghNigh
Member
+1|6450
I've been skimming through this thread and just felt so compelled to write something I signed up to do it.

The amount of misinformation, generalisation and general stupidity that has flowed through this thread is beyond belief.

Australia is a very small country (population-wise) with a disproportionate amount of society.  I'm sure everyone here would agree that more crime (per capita) happens in big cities...?  Well, about 95% of the Australian population lives in large, metropolitan cities.  Our population is not spread out as much as other countries.  It makes sense then that these figures may be higher than other countries.  It doesn't mean there is more crime here than in other countries - it just means that more of the population is potentially exposed to it.  Remember, this data is all presented PER CAPITA which I think a lot of you don't seem to understand fully.  Imagine doing this same survey for say some small rural town vs Los Angeles - you would get very different results.  That's all that's happening here.

Citing figures such as 'a 300% rise in gun-related deaths in Victoria' is the kind of shock analysis the media is famous for.  You need to look deeper into the figures.  A 300% rise in deaths could mean a raise from 3 deaths to 9, maybe even because of one incident.  Percentages mean jack all unless you can look at them within the correct context.  Crime in Australia also tends to be limited to small socio-economic groups.  The majority of the Australian population are not a part of these groups.  If you're part of an ethnic gang, fighting other ethnic gangs, then yeah you're in for some crime.  A lot actually.  But if you're not - no problems.  Our general society is safer than most - we don't have everyday people carrying weapons and performing hate crimes nearly as much as other western societies...

Finally, you guys have REALLY got to let go of the whole 'colonised by criminals' thing.  It's hilarious because it's just so god damn inaccurate.  It is true that some of the first white people here in Australia were convicts.  Some.  In that first batch there were also just as many non-felons / free settlers.  Following that there were intense periods of migration from the UK, Europe and many other places to Australia of perfectly normal immigrants.  Point is - the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people that arrived in Australia to colonise the country WEREN'T criminals.  I would challenge you to find an Australian descended from an original convict settler.  You would have to search very long and very wide to find one.  In any case, these 'criminals' that got shipped over were usually in prison for things like stealing some bread to feed their families, not rape and murder (there were some, sure, but not many).  Show me a family anywhere else that has a lineage in which no-one has ever committed any crime whatsoever, small or large, and I'll eat my hat.  It's a shame that this myth still exists, even among 'intelligent' commentators who use it for their lame jokes.  Imagine if I suggested every single American wears giant buckle hats because they are all descended from pilgrims.  It's totally bogus.

All in all, Australia is by and far one of the safest countries to live in the western world.  The idea that this is a dangerous place is absurd.  It's an absolutely retarded assumption.  Australia could not be safer if the government wrapped everyone up in bubble wrap.  Those lists skew the figures because of disproportionate population factors.  Write down the populations of each county and you will see what I mean.

Last edited by VinghNigh (2007-03-21 18:28:54)

usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6570|Columbus, Ohio

VinghNigh wrote:

Those lists skew the figures because of disproportionate population factors.  Write down the populations of each county and you will see what I mean.
per capita?
VinghNigh
Member
+1|6450
Fair point, didn't make that clear enough.  Population density is the key.  That's why NZ is similar. Small country, lot of population in metropolitan areas.
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6548|Twyford, UK
Because it's full of the descendants of convicts shipped out when the prisons in Britain got too full, and topped up by soldiers.
Johnathan.Heart
Go Heart or go home!
+4|6830|Muenster.Germany
Its the sun
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6689|Melbourne

I have heard enough of the "Oh they were convicts so thats were it comes from."  My Heritage comes from a stolen piece of bread... Bread to feed his family....  As was about 40% of crim's sent to Australia.  Also to take into account, what if Australia had the most Crim's that threatened to kill your family if you reported it to the cops? 

I cant speak for any other country but here in Aus the life's of your own family come before the material objects.
Also i am friends with a couple of Aboriginals and i can say that most are good people, but there are the Gangs and bad few in the bunch.  Same goes for Lebs etc. Most are good people but the growing hate for there own country is creating more publicity for the "Bad" side of Lebanese culture.
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
Macca
Cylons' my kinda frak
+72|6648|Australia.
Seriously, the next person that says "It's because of the Convicts" I'm gonna slap them.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6764
Well, to be fair, it is their fault (the convicts, that is).  We just have to accept that we're all descended from good for nothing low lives and we haven't progressed very far, as John Howard's long stay in office demonstrates.
some_random_panda
Flamesuit essential
+454|6593

Macca wrote:

Seriously, the next person that says "It's because of the Convicts" I'm gonna slap them.
Fair enough.

Bubbalo wrote:

Well, to be fair, it is their fault (the convicts, that is).  We just have to accept that we're all descended from good for nothing low lives and we haven't progressed very far, as John Howard's long stay in office demonstrates.
I'm Chinese, and came a little after the White Australia Policy was abolished (my family, that is).
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6689|Melbourne

Bubbalo wrote:

Well, to be fair, it is their fault (the convicts, that is).  We just have to accept that we're all descended from good for nothing low lives and we haven't progressed very far, as John Howard's long stay in office demonstrates.
I disagree, i fail to se how Stealing bread to feed your family deems you a low life crook, Murder and i could agree with you,  but stealing bread to make sure you family doesn't starve to death, i see otherwise.
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6764

some_random_panda wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Well, to be fair, it is their fault (the convicts, that is).  We just have to accept that we're all descended from good for nothing low lives and we haven't progressed very far, as John Howard's long stay in office demonstrates.
I'm Chinese, and came a little after the White Australia Policy was abolished (my family, that is).
So what you're saying is we've actually gone backwards?


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