fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6918|Menlo Park, CA
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,252699,00.html

When will the Republican party realize that this kind of bullshit gets your candidate UN-elected!!! jesus christ! You CANNOT I repeat CANNOT win against a field of Hillary and Obama saying this kind of bullshit!!

Appealing to your base is one thing, commiting pre-08' election suicide is just fucking retardedly unbelievable!! Who is this guys campaign manager??

Granted George Bush won stating that he is pro-life, but he sure as hell didnt say he wanted Roe V. Wade overturned!! He said he disagreed with abortion, but said he would honor what the population wanted (and thats abortion rights!!)

It just fucking flames the shit out of me when I read this kind of crap!!
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7074
So canidates shouldn't simply state what they believe in, simply because it will hurt their chances of getting elected?
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6918|Menlo Park, CA
On this particular issue YES! Because the population of this country overwhelmingly (especially women!!!) support pro-choice laws!! keep in mind women can vote now too!! Most cases they will vote on one or two issues that pertain to THEM. On this one issue REGARDLESS if they agree with everything else he says, will vote for the other candidate!

Its not smart as a front running candidate to shoot yourself in the foot like this!! Cmon' you know I am right about this, you have a better shot just keeping your mouth shut on the issue!
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

Are you aware the country is nearly split right down the middle on this issue? That is why it is always a hot topic.

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=1576&pg=1

I don't think this is as clear cut as it seems anyways..

# More broadly, a majority of Americans favor keeping abortion legal in the first trimester but would make it illegal in the second and third trimesters.
# Americans generally reject extreme positions on abortion (always legal or always illegal) in favor of middle-of-the- road positions (legal, but in only certain circumstances)

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-19 00:52:15)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7074
Well I personally respect a canidate much more if he/she stands by their ideals instead sacrificing their dignity. And I think you're a little off on the statistics about the countries stance on abortion.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6918|Menlo Park, CA
Well I live in California, and this state and its citizens favor prochoice laws, and no candidate has won in the last twenty years supporting a prolife stance. . . you cannot win here if your are a prolife candidate period!

I am not saying a prolife candidate cant win. . . I am saying if you overtly say you want to overturn roe v. wade, especially running for president, you have a tougher time.  You are essentially making things harder for yourself.  In this day in age, the youth of America and the vast majority of women support prochoice candidates! They are a huge population of potential voters! Why shoot yourself in the foot before the election gets hot??

Bottom line, as far as women go. . .If they had a choice between Hillary or John, and Hillary says she wont touch Roe v Wade and McCain is going around saying its toast, who you think they are going to vote for in the long run??

This issue is a suicide mission for Republicans, this is where they get their tails stuck in the fence!!

Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-02-19 01:19:28)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7102|Canberra, AUS
Well... that's true. It isn't exactly a smart idea to say something that could easily lose you mountains of votes, no matter what your stance - what you think doesn't mean very much if you aren't in office.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6982
Though I disagree with his policy I have to give him kudos for not lying or colouring the truth, which is exactly what the rest of the nefarious republican party would do (i.e., do and say anything to get elected and then follow their own private agenda irrespective of what the people actually voted for). Having said that the Democrat party is equally as bad.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6918|Menlo Park, CA

CameronPoe wrote:

Though I disagree with his policy I have to give him kudos for not lying or colouring the truth, which is exactly what the rest of the nefarious republican party would do (i.e., do and say anything to get elected and then follow their own private agenda irrespective of what the people actually voted for). Having said that the Democrat party is equally as bad.
True it is bold of him to stand for what he believes! However, its fine to believe something, but abortion is one of those issues better left to the citizens of America to figure out! If he says I am prolife, yet I will side on what the majority of my fellow citizens think. . .

I think that shows more character cause he isnt masking what what he believes, yet he will default to an issue better left towards the masses not politicians.  Abortion is a touchy subject no doubt. . .but a subject thats not up to politicians to solve on their own whim!!

Saying he will apoint strict constructionist judges to overturn roe v. wade isnt a smart move this early in the campaign. . .
UGADawgs
Member
+13|6748|South Carolina, US

CameronPoe wrote:

Though I disagree with his policy I have to give him kudos for not lying or colouring the truth, which is exactly what the rest of the nefarious republican party would do (i.e., do and say anything to get elected and then follow their own private agenda irrespective of what the people actually voted for). Having said that the Democrat party is equally as bad.
I like John McCain, but I don't put it past him to start building a conservative reputation before the primary and then start to slowly moderate once he has to head to Ohio and the other battlegrounds.

That said, I agree with his position.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7199|PNW

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

So canidates shouldn't simply state what they believe in, simply because it will hurt their chances of getting elected?
Didn't you know? All Americans want is a president who can lie and be 'tactful' without appearing to do the former.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7089|USA
I guess ol' McCain will have to settle for V.P. behind Rudy.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina
I agree with McCain on this one.

If Roe vs. Wade was overturned, then we wouldn't have the bullshit of abortion clogging our federal politics.  Let the states deal with it on their own terms.

Abortion means jack shit compared to things like balancing the budget, foreign policy, domestic defense, border security, environmental issues, healthcare issues, and dealing with corporate corruption.

If South Dakota wants to ban abortion within its borders, so be it.  I really don't care.  If Massachusetts wants to legalize it up until the act of birth itself, I don't care either.

So yes, I agree with McCain on this, even if we're on opposite sides of the abortion debate.

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