Sorry, but yes they did. Not directly, granted. But the roots of al-qaeda go back to Afghanistans involvement in the cold war and those roots were planted and fed by the USA.usmarine2007 wrote:
Nope. Try again.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
America created Al-Qaeda.
You're so witty.ATG wrote:
Your obviously not cut out for this part of the forum.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
America created Al-Qaeda.
Here's the door;
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewforum.php?id=18
Name: Scott.
Age: 33 (34 on July 1st)
From: Born - Bangor, Wales. Grew up - Bulkington (nr Coventry), England.
Reside: Cambridge, England.
Profession: Semi-Self(un)employed 3D Graphics/Games/Web Coding Geek.
Education: Crappy GCSEs. A-Level Computer Studies. BTec Computer Studies. BEng (Hons) Software Engineering for Real-Time Sytems.
Languages: English English.
Instruments: Torture.
Age: 33 (34 on July 1st)
From: Born - Bangor, Wales. Grew up - Bulkington (nr Coventry), England.
Reside: Cambridge, England.
Profession: Semi-Self(un)employed 3D Graphics/Games/Web Coding Geek.
Education: Crappy GCSEs. A-Level Computer Studies. BTec Computer Studies. BEng (Hons) Software Engineering for Real-Time Sytems.
Languages: English English.
Instruments: Torture.
Yes...not directly. Less you forget the USSR invaded Afghanistan. Now, it is kind of hard to say whether it was right or wrong supporting the Taliban, since we can't go back and try the other way.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Sorry, but yes they did. Not directly, granted. But the roots of al-qaeda go back to Afghanistans involvement in the cold war and those roots were planted and fed by the USA.usmarine2007 wrote:
Nope. Try again.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
America created Al-Qaeda.
Positions change, we once were at war with the Brits. Thank god we won.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Sorry, but yes they did. Not directly, granted. But the roots of al-qaeda go back to Afghanistans involvement in the cold war and those roots were planted and fed by the USA.usmarine2007 wrote:
Nope. Try again.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
America created Al-Qaeda.
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That's so simplistic. Are you suggesting that they would be peaceful goat farmers right now if we had let the Soviets rule their nation?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Sorry, but yes they did. Not directly, granted. But the roots of al-qaeda go back to Afghanistans involvement in the cold war and those roots were planted and fed by the USA.usmarine2007 wrote:
Nope. Try again.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
America created Al-Qaeda.
The article doesn't actually say that anyone was tortured by any egyptians, just that he was tortured in egypt.Kmarion wrote:
If we are so concerned with the law why are the Egyptians not being charged? I agree with you on principle but this is just posturing. You do realize the Egyptians did the torturing right? Yet nearly no word about it.Vilham wrote:
You think maybe just maybe they are making them stand trial because they broke the law???
America cant do as it wants. About time someone did this.
I knew that would come back to haunt me when I typed it - I didn't think it would be so quickly...ATG wrote:
Name: Scott.
Age: 33 (34 on July 1st)
From: Born - Bangor, Wales. Grew up - Bulkington (nr Coventry), England.
Reside: Cambridge, England.
Profession: Semi-Self(un)employed 3D Graphics/Games/Web Coding Geek.
Education: Crappy GCSEs. A-Level Computer Studies. BTec Computer Studies. BEng (Hons) Software Engineering for Real-Time Sytems.
Languages: English English.
Instruments: Torture.
He was taken to Egypt by Americans who probably paid Egyptians to extract some information. Works for me!Scorpion0x17 wrote:
The article doesn't actually say that anyone was tortured by any egyptians, just that he was tortured in egypt.Kmarion wrote:
If we are so concerned with the law why are the Egyptians not being charged? I agree with you on principle but this is just posturing. You do realize the Egyptians did the torturing right? Yet nearly no word about it.Vilham wrote:
You think maybe just maybe they are making them stand trial because they broke the law???
America cant do as it wants. About time someone did this.
The issue the Italians have is over the violation of their sovreignty ( spell check no worky ).
Well, it's a slow night, or I wouldn't be picking on you.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I knew that would come back to haunt me when I typed it - I didn't think it would be so quickly...
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I'm not suggesting anything other than that there is a clear link between the US's support of the Taliban during the cold war and the emergence of Al-Qaeda.ATG wrote:
That's so simplistic. Are you suggesting that they would be peaceful goat farmers right now if we had let the Soviets rule their nation?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Sorry, but yes they did. Not directly, granted. But the roots of al-qaeda go back to Afghanistans involvement in the cold war and those roots were planted and fed by the USA.usmarine2007 wrote:
Nope. Try again.
Like I said times and positions change. I would be more worried if someone was continuing to support someone who they knew was up to no good.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not suggesting anything other than that there is a clear link between the US's support of the Taliban during the cold war and the emergence of Al-Qaeda.ATG wrote:
That's so simplistic. Are you suggesting that they would be peaceful goat farmers right now if we had let the Soviets rule their nation?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Sorry, but yes they did. Not directly, granted. But the roots of al-qaeda go back to Afghanistans involvement in the cold war and those roots were planted and fed by the USA.
Use common sense please. Why would he be sent to Egypt via Germany? If the CIA wanted to torture him it would have been done in the back of a black van.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
The article doesn't actually say that anyone was tortured by any egyptians, just that he was tortured in egypt.Kmarion wrote:
If we are so concerned with the law why are the Egyptians not being charged? I agree with you on principle but this is just posturing. You do realize the Egyptians did the torturing right? Yet nearly no word about it.
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Thats like saying that because we helped train drug enforcement agents in Mexico the cartels now have really well trained people working for them.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not suggesting anything other than that there is a clear link between the US's support of the Taliban during the cold war and the emergence of Al-Qaeda.ATG wrote:
That's so simplistic. Are you suggesting that they would be peaceful goat farmers right now if we had let the Soviets rule their nation?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Sorry, but yes they did. Not directly, granted. But the roots of al-qaeda go back to Afghanistans involvement in the cold war and those roots were planted and fed by the USA.
It's not our fault these people are murdering assholes.
Unfortunately, I think it is. The US gave them an overblown ego. And then shat all over them. Really it's no wonder they're so pissed off.ATG wrote:
Thats like saying that because we helped train drug enforcement agents in Mexico the cartels now have really well trained people working for them.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not suggesting anything other than that there is a clear link between the US's support of the Taliban during the cold war and the emergence of Al-Qaeda.ATG wrote:
That's so simplistic. Are you suggesting that they would be peaceful goat farmers right now if we had let the Soviets rule their nation?
It's not our fault these people are murdering assholes.
Because a) you don't torture people in the back of a van and b) you do torture people in countries that tend to turn a blind eye to that kind of activity.Kmarion wrote:
Like I said times and positions change. I would be more worried if someone was continuing to support someone who they knew was up to no good.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not suggesting anything other than that there is a clear link between the US's support of the Taliban during the cold war and the emergence of Al-Qaeda.ATG wrote:
That's so simplistic. Are you suggesting that they would be peaceful goat farmers right now if we had let the Soviets rule their nation?Use common sense please. Why would he be sent to Egypt via Germany? If the CIA wanted to torture him it would have been done in the back of a black van.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
The article doesn't actually say that anyone was tortured by any egyptians, just that he was tortured in egypt.Kmarion wrote:
If we are so concerned with the law why are the Egyptians not being charged? I agree with you on principle but this is just posturing. You do realize the Egyptians did the torturing right? Yet nearly no word about it.
Then I guess you can just look the other way for a short time while we clean up our mess then.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Unfortunately, I think it is. The US gave them an overblown ego. And then shat all over them. Really it's no wonder they're so pissed off.ATG wrote:
Thats like saying that because we helped train drug enforcement agents in Mexico the cartels now have really well trained people working for them.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not suggesting anything other than that there is a clear link between the US's support of the Taliban during the cold war and the emergence of Al-Qaeda.
It's not our fault these people are murdering assholes.
No. I will not look the other way. I have a sense of moral right and wrong. I care about this world and the people that live upon it. I don't want to see any country or organisation imposing itself on anyone. If I see moral and legal laws being flagrantly flouted, then I will speak-out about it.ATG wrote:
Then I guess you can just look the other way for a short time while we clean up our mess then.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Unfortunately, I think it is. The US gave them an overblown ego. And then shat all over them. Really it's no wonder they're so pissed off.ATG wrote:
Thats like saying that because we helped train drug enforcement agents in Mexico the cartels now have really well trained people working for them.
It's not our fault these people are murdering assholes.
Have I said that Al-Qaeda are right to commit acts of terrorism?ATG wrote:
How about the laws against murder?
How about Madrid, or Bali? What did they do to create Al Qiada?
No I have not. Please don't put words into my mouth.
This and the fact that you have to resort to posting stupid images shows just how weak and hollow your position is.
I had no idea I was dealing with an insider.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Because a) you don't torture people in the back of a van and b) you do torture people in countries that tend to turn a blind eye to that kind of activity.Kmarion wrote:
Like I said times and positions change. I would be more worried if someone was continuing to support someone who they knew was up to no good.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'm not suggesting anything other than that there is a clear link between the US's support of the Taliban during the cold war and the emergence of Al-Qaeda.ATG wrote:
That's so simplistic. Are you suggesting that they would be peaceful goat farmers right now if we had let the Soviets rule their nation?Use common sense please. Why would he be sent to Egypt via Germany? If the CIA wanted to torture him it would have been done in the back of a black van.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
The article doesn't actually say that anyone was tortured by any egyptians, just that he was tortured in egypt.
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What?!?!Kmarion wrote:
I had no idea I was dealing with an insider.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Because a) you don't torture people in the back of a van and b) you do torture people in countries that tend to turn a blind eye to that kind of activity.Kmarion wrote:
Like I said times and positions change. I would be more worried if someone was continuing to support someone who they knew was up to no good.
Use common sense please. Why would he be sent to Egypt via Germany? If the CIA wanted to torture him it would have been done in the back of a black van.
oh, and some of you might want to read this. Just as starting point like...
then maybe this...
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No, it means I don't find you worth debating on this subject anymore.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Have I said that Al-Qaeda are right to commit acts of terrorism?ATG wrote:
How about the laws against murder?
How about Madrid, or Bali? What did they do to create Al Qiada?
No I have not. Please don't put words into my mouth.
This and the fact that you have to resort to posting stupid images shows just how weak and hollow your position is.
They should stand trial if the Italians can put their hands on them themselves. The U.S. should not hand over agents just like they should hand over any intelligence asset.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Bullshit. If they broke the law they should stand trial. And, I'm afraid, kidnap and torture are against the law, even for CIA agents.
I think if the Italians want to display Stockholm syndrome (opposite the Muslims), they should do it by building more monuments to Moors in Sicily.
Because you are unable to put together a coherent and convincing argument.ATG wrote:
No, it means I don't find you worth debating on this subject anymore.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Have I said that Al-Qaeda are right to commit acts of terrorism?ATG wrote:
How about the laws against murder?
How about Madrid, or Bali? What did they do to create Al Qiada?
No I have not. Please don't put words into my mouth.
This and the fact that you have to resort to posting stupid images shows just how weak and hollow your position is.
So if I were to go the US, commit a kidnapping, and then return to the UK, would it be right for the UK government to refuse to extradite me to the US?jsnipy wrote:
They should stand trial if the Italians can put their hands on them themselves. The U.S. should not hand over agents just like they should hand over any intelligence asset.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Bullshit. If they broke the law they should stand trial. And, I'm afraid, kidnap and torture are against the law, even for CIA agents.
No it would not.
They are accused of commiting a crime, therefor they should stand trial. And they should stand trial in the country in which that crime was committed.
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No, it's because people like you blame America for everything, no matter what. It's pointless trying to lead you to logic, and 9-11 and our beloved troops are too important and serious to demean by engaging in a pointless circle jerk of a conversation when in the end you will still say;Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Because you are unable to put together a coherent and convincing argument.ATG wrote:
No, it means I don't find you worth debating on this subject anymore.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Have I said that Al-Qaeda are right to commit acts of terrorism?
No I have not. Please don't put words into my mouth.
This and the fact that you have to resort to posting stupid images shows just how weak and hollow your position is.
America sucks and we brought 9-11 on ourselves.
That is your overarching point, isn't it? Kind of weaves its way through everything you type. Thats not being liberal; it's being a fanatic.
Have a good day.
Yes, it has to be appeasement, because it's not likely taking someone against their will and taking them to an overseas prison is a crime, or anything.
Just out of curiosity, what does constitute going too far in ATG land? Would they have to rape baby sheep?
Just out of curiosity, what does constitute going too far in ATG land? Would they have to rape baby sheep?
We would have to be doing this to people not suspected of terrorism.Bubbalo wrote:
Yes, it has to be appeasement, because it's not likely taking someone against their will and taking them to an overseas prison is a crime, or anything.
Just out of curiosity, what does constitute going too far in ATG land? Would they have to rape baby sheep?
These assholes want to hide behind a nationless movement, and the asshole countries like Saudi Arabia and the rest want to hide their responsibility because Al qiada is an international criminal organization.
No sale. The guys in the black suits with guns and needles get sent out.
When Islamo fascist play by the rules, we will> Want to fight a war by flying airplanes into civilian centers?
I'm gonna torture your asses to make you talk.
I sleep perfectly well at night.