BF2S Forums Should Aboriginals be Treated differently?

I dont beleive in reparations. period.

no, its like when you have two kids, you dont heap gifts on one without giving the other some too, it doesnt matter if you were an asshole to the other first or not. it makes one envy and therefor dislike the other

The problem is the fact that the "gifts" that are being given to them are being given not as a form of reward, but as a form of compensation for discriminatory practices. So the part about people being jealous is simply misplaced greed really. The natives to that country were obviously exploited and the same applies to the US and its natives.

To say that they must give up the privileges in order to achieve equality is completely misleading. I for one do not know the situation with the aborigines in Australia, but as for the Black population in the US i can say that the special "benefits" that were instated in order to level out the playing field and make up for hundreds of years of discriminatory practices. So what I'm trying to say is that you can't expect equality without some sort of compensation that will make up for the discriminatory practices that gave a certain population an advantage over another.

The title of this thread should be

"Should Aboriginals find some new shit to cry about because they want shit for free and they know that the government will give it to them"

Every situation is different, and deserves different treatment.

Australia is a large country.  Sparsely populated, it always has been, but large.

I guess, once you realise you've done a people wrong you have to keep doing good for them until they have NO excuse not to do well.  It takes a long time, a lot of money and a whole shitload of understanding from BOTH sides.

We've given the Maori a lot, a whole lot, and a few extremists still complain and demand concessions.  The historical desire to manage ones own destiny, even if you know it would of turned out worse, is worth more than you have, it seems...

Well they're area  bunch of other factors in this.. Now I don't really know to much about the Aboriginaies culture or effect in AUS, and all I really know about them is from Cocidilie Dundie.. Could you provide some more information are they assimalated into the culture?

MetalChont wrote:

Yes they should be treated differently.  I'm yet to see an abo NOT on the streets stinking like shit and drinking.

And by differently, I mean not as equals.

Thats there own fault yet they think they can bitch about it.
If a white male is a bum and tries to get something they get a slap in the face and called a loser
If an Indian is a bum and tries to get something, he just has to talk about "how the white man took his land"
Well you know what! ive got something to say!!!
If the Abo wants something special, he can stop driving the car that the white man invented, he can stop drinking beer from the beer the white man invented, he can go back to his freezing cold groin cloth apperal because thats what theyd be wearing without the "evil white man"
He can live in his tiki hut
without his computer, cell phone, plumbing, electricity, as he cooks the wild boar he caught earlier over a roticeery fire, because the white man lead to the technology to do all that.

In america it would be the white man, im not neccesarily saying the black man didnt invent something, but what im saying is:

IF WE HADEN'T TAKEN OVER THE INDIANS LAND, THEY WOULD BE A TECHNOLOGY-LESS SHIT HOLE FORREST TAKING UP SPACE ON THE WORLD. same in your case with these 'aboriginals'

Who knows what they would have been, that's why there is guilt. Because we never know what might have been different if we didn't distroy..

P.S. White people didn't invent fermenting we only invented the carbination, also we didn't invent plumbing..

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

So what I'm trying to say is that you can't expect equality without some sort of compensation that will make up for the discriminatory practices that gave a certain population an advantage over another.

Yes, but where does it end? Where's the statute of limitations?

Well as for statute of limitations on how LONG someone can wait before asking for claims that's really up in the air. There is no set time frame for it since judges can rule based on ex aequo et bono. (That which is good and just) At least in the states i know we have a at least one case that sets the precedence for other possible reparation cases -- Cayuga Indian Nation v. Pataki

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

MetalChont wrote:

Yes they should be treated differently.  I'm yet to see an abo NOT on the streets stinking like shit and drinking.

And by differently, I mean not as equals.

Thats there own fault yet they think they can bitch about it.
If a white male is a bum and tries to get something they get a slap in the face and called a loser
If an Indian is a bum and tries to get something, he just has to talk about "how the white man took his land"
Well you know what! ive got something to say!!!
If the Abo wants something special, he can stop driving the car that the white man invented, he can stop drinking beer from the beer the white man invented, he can go back to his freezing cold groin cloth apperal because thats what theyd be wearing without the "evil white man"
He can live in his tiki hut
without his computer, cell phone, plumbing, electricity, as he cooks the wild boar he caught earlier over a roticeery fire, because the white man lead to the technology to do all that.

In america it would be the white man, im not neccesarily saying the black man didnt invent something, but what im saying is:

IF WE HADEN'T TAKEN OVER THE INDIANS LAND, THEY WOULD BE A TECHNOLOGY-LESS SHIT HOLE FORREST TAKING UP SPACE ON THE WORLD. same in your case with these 'aboriginals'

seriously are you nostradamus or something? How do you know what the natives of ANY land would have invented if they would have not been colonized by other people?

HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET FORREST VIA THE BYPRODUCT OF TECHNOLOGY? WHY ARE FORREST "TAKING UP SPACE" IN THE WORLD WHEN IT IS THE WORLD?!

wow caps just looks funny doesn't it?

Do they still live in the outback?

Aboriginals (IMHO) are asking for the best of both worlds.  They are all trying desperately to keep there own lifestyle/culture but at the same time are screaming at the Government(s) to be treated special.

I am a Canadian Citizen living in Southern Ontario.  I have been dealing with a group of "First Nations" Mohawks that decided that they had been cheated out of a parcel of land on the outkirts of town.  Mind you they weren't too interested in this land until a developer began building 600 houses on the property.

Now they have occupied the land for almost a year and there is no sign of them leaving anytime soon.  They have disrupted the town, terrorized the non-aboriginal residents and generally gotten away with just about anything.

The Provincial Police force was brought in at the beginning of this occupation to "Keep the Peace"  That has meant allowing the aboriginals to do anything they please without repercussions.  On the other hand any non-aboriginal that attempts to protest this occupation is arrested for "Breaching the Peace"

If that isn't special treatment then I don't know what is.