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Didn't the forefathers get some help or inspiration from the French? I thought that some French people helped with your Constitution and then took the ideas back to France, where they later had a revolution.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
If you read the excerpt carefully I think it's apparent that I did not suggest that a bicameral legislature was the invention of America's forefathers. My intention was to suggest that the overall balance of the structure of the ENTIRE government is something admired around the world.Bubbalo wrote:
British parliament already used a two house system, genius.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
The two bodies embody the balance between the will of the majority and the righteousness of non-partisan, philosophical thought. This evidence of carefully-planned balance is a key reason why the structure of American government, as created by the forefathers, is respected around the world.
Other than that, thanks for the summary of the election results.
Common sense tells us that England provided the key inspiration for the American structure of government.
Anyway, +1 to you.
purty much, i think jefferson or franklin spent quite a bit of time in france as ambassador as well
but the magna carta was a heavy influence, one of the originals (they made more than a few) is currently on display in the national archives in the room right next to the one containing the constitution, it's on loan from the perot (dunno if it's the same as ross perot) foundation. oddly enough it's more legible despite being a few hundred years older, the ink having a high iron content and basically rusting into the parchment.
but the magna carta was a heavy influence, one of the originals (they made more than a few) is currently on display in the national archives in the room right next to the one containing the constitution, it's on loan from the perot (dunno if it's the same as ross perot) foundation. oddly enough it's more legible despite being a few hundred years older, the ink having a high iron content and basically rusting into the parchment.
Allen concedes:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 00775.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 00775.html
Jefferson and Franklin were respectively Minister and Ambassador to France.kr@cker wrote:
purty much, i think jefferson or franklin spent quite a bit of time in france as ambassador as well
but the magna carta was a heavy influence, one of the originals (they made more than a few) is currently on display in the national archives in the room right next to the one containing the constitution, it's on loan from the perot (dunno if it's the same as ross perot) foundation. oddly enough it's more legible despite being a few hundred years older, the ink having a high iron content and basically rusting into the parchment.
James Madison was also heavily influenced by the French (esp. Charles de Secondat, Baron de Montesquieu).
What about us Aussies? Huh? HUH?!?!Scorpion0x17 wrote:
like we understand it ourselves!IRONCHEF wrote:
now we need a canadian, or englishman to explain what parlaiment is to me!
Buh, buh the Aussie Parliament D:
Heh. Asking an Australian about politics. Funny. How many nations do you know of that had to make voting mandatory because voter numbers were so low that the government couldn't legally be elected.................
Just about every election here proves that people in America will vote for the letter next to a candidate's name, rather than the candidate him/herself. That being said, it wasn't as big of a tidal wave of blue as I was expecting.
+1 to OP for the given tidbits.
+1 to OP for the given tidbits.
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Why wouldn't they?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Just about every election here proves that people in America will vote for the letter next to a candidate's name, rather than the candidate him/herself.
You mean 'why shouldn't they' (vote for the letter). Because it just makes more sense to actually read who you're voting for, rather than taking for granted that you'll agree with them just because you like their party better. As much as I vote Republican, there are some Democrats that I choose over the (R), because some (R)'s are fruit-loops. The same applies to some (D)'s (and to most (L)/(G)/(I)'s ). People should read the voter's pamphlets, not just the shortlist ballots. I take it a step further and research candidates/initiatives/etc. over the internet for a broader view on various matters.Bubbalo wrote:
Why wouldn't they?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Just about every election here proves that people in America will vote for the letter next to a candidate's name, rather than the candidate him/herself.
You can't be suggesting that making an uninformed decision is the right thing to do...
Except that for the most part that have to vote the pary line or get booted
You do realize that most nations don't have SMD|Plurality system of voting right? In most countries, voting takes the form of PR, in which you don't get to choose your candidate, you simply vote for a party. Also, in PR systems, you don't even vote for the PM, the party that wins Majority votes simply gets to allow their party leader to become PM. My question thus becomes if it's individual candidates that matter, and not the parties, then why do the majority of advanced industrialized countries use PR.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
You mean 'why shouldn't they' (vote for the letter). Because it just makes more sense to actually read who you're voting for, rather than taking for granted that you'll agree with them just because you like their party better. As much as I vote Republican, there are some Democrats that I choose over the (R), because some (R)'s are fruit-loops. The same applies to some (D)'s (and to most (L)/(G)/(I)'s ). People should read the voter's pamphlets, not just the shortlist ballots. I take it a step further and research candidates/initiatives/etc. over the internet for a broader view on various matters.Bubbalo wrote:
Why wouldn't they?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Just about every election here proves that people in America will vote for the letter next to a candidate's name, rather than the candidate him/herself.
You can't be suggesting that making an uninformed decision is the right thing to do...
To limit the amount of control the people have over those who govern them. In this respect the US system is better (that is not to say of course that the US is more democratic overall...)Elamdri wrote:
My question thus becomes if it's individual candidates that matter, and not the parties, then why do the majority of advanced industrialized countries use PR.
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You do understand voting is only part of an elected officials job, right?Bubbalo wrote:
Except that for the most part that have to vote the pary line or get booted
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz *yawn*
And the part where the person matters is?EVieira wrote:
You do understand voting is only part of an elected officials job, right?Bubbalo wrote:
Except that for the most part that have to vote the pary line or get booted
very nice
nice refresher course
man i forget half that! lol
dumb american me
or more likely too much veer
nice refresher course
man i forget half that! lol
dumb american me
or more likely too much veer
1 question.
How come Americans are so arrogant that they think we care how these elections are staged?
How come Americans are so arrogant that they think we care how these elections are staged?
If you look at when this topic was started (November) you will see there were numerous threads circulating with misinformation. Shipbuilder took the time to clear it up and a mod felt it worthy to sticky. If you didn't care to learn why did you post in this topic? I choose arrogance over ignorance any day.BN wrote:
1 question.
How come Americans are so arrogant that they think we care how these elections are staged?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Because I was asking a questionKmarion wrote:
If you didn't care to learn why did you post in this topic?
Because whenever I ask why so many people seem to be obsessed with the US, you guys say that our actions affect you.BN wrote:
1 question.
How come Americans are so arrogant that they think we care how these elections are staged?
Make up your fucking minds then.
well, you commented on it.........BN wrote:
1 question.
How come Americans are so arrogant that they think we care how these elections are staged?
may i suggest to un-stick this thread? US electiosn are over for quite a few months now...
Well what has been the economic growth of the country in the past few years? If some stats are looked into then the figures are no less shocking. It seems that all the plans to make US the strongest economical backbone has fallen flat and the main attention has been diverted towards warfare, this cant continue for long, I am afraid.
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