Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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You clearly don't understand the underlying theory of socialism or communism.

It points out that all jobs are necessary.  Just because a position in garbology may not be as prestigious as a position in the senate, for example, doesn't make it any less necessary.  As such, both should receive the same payment.  If somebody doesn't work because they choose not to, they receive nothing.
lowing
Banned
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Bubbalo wrote:

You clearly don't understand the underlying theory of socialism or communism.

It points out that all jobs are necessary.  Just because a position in garbology may not be as prestigious as a position in the senate, for example, doesn't make it any less necessary.  As such, both should receive the same payment.  If somebody doesn't work because they choose not to, they receive nothing.
Please keep digging I will enjoy burying you with your own words.

How nice it must be for a janitor at McDonald's to be compensated for his "efforts" in society, as much as a brain surgeon is for his efforts of 25 years of school, and life saving abilities.

What color is the sky on your world bubbalo? Communist.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988
You still don't get it, do you?

In a capitalist society, the doctor goes to school for 25 years because he can afford to, and then get huge amounts of cash.  The McDonalds worker doesn't go to school because he can't afford it, and ends up poor.

In a capitalist society, the doctor is paid whilst going to school, and whilst working.  The McDonalds worker is paid the same.  So long as both contribute as much as they reasonably can to society, both receive the same benefits.

The key difference?  In capitalism, it doesn't matter who's smarter, only who has more cash.  In communism, both have the same amount of money, the smarter one becomes a doctor, and therefore more lives are saved.  Both appreciate the contribution the other makes to society.
lowing
Banned
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Bubbalo wrote:

You still don't get it, do you?

In a capitalist society, the doctor goes to school for 25 years because he can afford to, and then get huge amounts of cash.  The McDonalds worker doesn't go to school because he can't afford it, and ends up poor.

In a capitalist society, the doctor is paid whilst going to school, and whilst working.  The McDonalds worker is paid the same.  So long as both contribute as much as they reasonably can to society, both receive the same benefits.

The key difference?  In capitalism, it doesn't matter who's smarter, only who has more cash.  In communism, both have the same amount of money, the smarter one becomes a doctor, and therefore more lives are saved.  Both appreciate the contribution the other makes to society.
No, you don't get it. Here on planet Earth, the doctor gets out of school weighed down with student loans, and still is only making a modest living because he is an intern and not in residency.

Here on planet Earth ( America) there is govt. loans and grants for people that want to apply and get educated. There is also trade school. NOT to mention the fact that all you need in America to be quite successful is a HS diploma. There are plenty of people who are well off, if not down right rich, and haven't been to college. Christ, a fucking prisoner can get a college degree in America if he wanted one, FOR FREE!!

Capitalism is, WE have the freedom and opportunity to be successful, I got mine, now you go get yours. It is not hey buddy, relax, I will go bust my ass for both of us.

Does drive, ambition, play a part in success, on your world, or do you all just sit back and let someone else handle it for you?

You really have stepped on your dick this time by suggesting a fast food worker earns the same quality of life and compensation for his efforts, as a doctor or a lawyer or a pilot or any middle class worker. If I still need to prove that you are a liberal/ socialist/communist these last few posts of yours is my proof. What a bunch of complete and utter bullshit


I would love to see your reaction when you found out that your college educated, technical training and experience in your career, pays the same as the lady who empties the trash. I guarantee it won't be, well good for her, she earned it after all.

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Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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lowing wrote:

Here on planet Earth ( America) there is govt. loans and grants for people that want to apply and get educated. There is also trade school. NOT to mention the fact that all you need in America to be quite successful is a HS diploma. There are plenty of people who are well off, if not down right rich, and haven't been to college. Christ, a fucking prisoner can get a college degree in America if he wanted one, FOR FREE!!
But those are Socialist elements in a Capitalist society, in a true Capitalist society they would not exist.
lowing
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Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Here on planet Earth ( America) there is govt. loans and grants for people that want to apply and get educated. There is also trade school. NOT to mention the fact that all you need in America to be quite successful is a HS diploma. There are plenty of people who are well off, if not down right rich, and haven't been to college. Christ, a fucking prisoner can get a college degree in America if he wanted one, FOR FREE!!
But those are Socialist elements in a Capitalist society, in a true Capitalist society they would not exist.
Yup, and the point is, even with these aids available, people still will not lift a finger for themselves, and still want the achievers to give even more to them. These are the people I loath and do not want to help, these are also the people you defend. Hence the wide gap in our opinions on the matter.

I have always maintained a realization that we need to take care of those that are unable to take care of themselves, and you know it. You have stepped wayyyyyyyyyyy over the edge with your notion that everyone deserves the same compensation in life with no regard or recognition of the efforts each individual puts into their own lives.

By your lack of response to the rest of my post I assume you now agree with me., or can not respond

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Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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lowing wrote:

[ You have stepped wayyyyyyyyyyy over the edge with your notion that everyone deserves the same compensation in life with no regard or recognition of the efforts each individual puts into their own lives.
Have you even read what I said?

Bubbalo wrote:

It points out that all jobs are necessary.  Just because a position in garbology may not be as prestigious as a position in the senate, for example, doesn't make it any less necessary.  As such, both should receive the same payment.  If somebody doesn't work because they choose not to, they receive nothing.
And I'm still waiting to hear which Liberals espouse greater government interference.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6906|Somewhere else

People using Ipods and getting hit while not paying attention=A fine example of Natural Selection.  Asshole politician should let it be, maybe give a key to the city for the driver who pwned shitty genes.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7078|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

[ You have stepped wayyyyyyyyyyy over the edge with your notion that everyone deserves the same compensation in life with no regard or recognition of the efforts each individual puts into their own lives.
Have you even read what I said?

Bubbalo wrote:

It points out that all jobs are necessary.  Just because a position in garbology may not be as prestigious as a position in the senate, for example, doesn't make it any less necessary.  As such, both should receive the same payment.  If somebody doesn't work because they choose not to, they receive nothing.
And I'm still waiting to hear which Liberals espouse greater government interference.
Uhhhhhhhh yeah, I read what you said............."Just because a position in garbology may not be as prestigious as a position in the senate, for example, doesn't make it any less necessary.  As such, both should receive the same payment". Now please please tell me just how I mis-interpreted this.

By nature of the liberal ideal, such as your shining example above, all of them. You can not have the world you want without govt. enforcing it, and to enforce your utopia, it is gunna take massive govt. control, unless all of a sudden we live in a world without greed, drive, ambition, laziness, mediocrity etc....goes back to the reality of life again, and how liberalism delves into the world of fantasy with their ideals. see once again I bring it full circle for you. Ain't I amazing?

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Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988
You still don't get it.

The Liberal ideal is for the world to live in a Communist Anarchy.  By the same token the medical ideal is to live in a world without illness.  Neither are possible, but that doesn't stop us from working towards them, does it?
Kurazoo
Pheasant Plucker
+440|7111|West Yorkshire, U.K
Thats ridiculous
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7078|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

You still don't get it.

The Liberal ideal is for the world to live in a Communist Anarchy.  By the same token the medical ideal is to live in a world without illness.  Neither are possible, but that doesn't stop us from working towards them, does it?
I do get it, what you don't get is.................I DON"T WANT TO BE A FUCKING COMMUNIST! I want to live in freedom and earn for myself. I don't want the govt. providing for me what I can EASILY provide for myself. I want the govt. out of my life. I want to be an individual. Oh and yes, reality does pretty much stop you dead in your tracks from working towards your war against individualism.
Mike<Eagle23>
BF2sEU old school admin - I don't care who you are
+359|7154|Germany

So, if iPods should be forbidden because they are causing accidents, any kind of newspaper should be forbidden as well. Imagine a guy reading an interesting article in the New York Times while crossing a street in Manhattan, not paying attention to the traffic lights
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988
And that post demonstrates that you have listened to nothing I've said.
Mike<Eagle23>
BF2sEU old school admin - I don't care who you are
+359|7154|Germany

What?

Edit: ah, you meant the post before, didn't you?

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Religion=WAR
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This rule is an obvious attempt to increase the moronic traits in our gene pool, and preserve the life of the ever famous "Dumbfuck" which can be found throughout the world in various climates and conditions.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988
Americans are emigrating now?


Sorry, couldn't resist.  .

Mike<Eagle23> wrote:

What?
Not you.  Lowing.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7078|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

And that post demonstrates that you have listened to nothing I've said.
Bullshit bubbalo, do not try and make me out to be closed minded because you can't stop tripping over your own dick. You pull this shit every time you get burned. You end it with, either you're stupid, I won't waste my time, you're stupid, you just don't get it, you're stupid, show me where I said that, you're stupid, you have not listened to me, etc....

"Just because a position in garbology may not be as prestigious as a position in the senate, for example, doesn't make it any less necessary.  As such, both should receive the same payment"

You said this, there is no mis-interpretation about it.


"The Liberal ideal is for the world to live in a Communist Anarchy.  By the same token the medical ideal is to live in a world without illness.  Neither are possible, but that doesn't stop us from working towards them, does it?"

You have said this as well, because I do not agree with it, does not mean I did not listen to you or mis-interpret you. I simply hate your communist ideals and want no part in it.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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Tell me, lowing, how with the government provide for you in an Anarchic society?
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7078|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

Tell me, lowing, how with the government provide for you in an Anarchic society?
Why don't you tell me how they will stay out of my business in a communist society. Anarchy is unrealistic, people are greedy and corrupt, and need laws. Also based on this, anarchy and communism is an oxymoron. Communism is an ideal you have to force on people namely with a govt. Anarchy goes against this idea. So basically your attempt to weasle out of your posts has failed.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988
No.  Communism is a system in which people work together for the greater good.  This can either be enforced through government, or done through mutual agreement (in an Anarchic society).  The Liberal ideal in Anarchic Communism.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7078|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

No.  Communism is a system in which people work together for the greater good.  This can either be enforced through government, or done through mutual agreement (in an Anarchic society).  The Liberal ideal in Anarchic Communism.
Which comes full circle to liberals do NOT live in the realms of reality now doesn't it? People by nature are too greedy and corrupt for such an ideal to take foothold.

Thanks bubbalo, you're the best partner I have in this fight against liberalism. 


But, by all means, explain to me again how the trash lady in the office DESERVES to earn as much as the engineer. I am still a little fuzzy on that one.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988

Bubbalo wrote:

The Liberal ideal is for the world to live in a Communist Anarchy.  By the same token the medical ideal is to live in a world without illness.  Neither are possible, but that doesn't stop us from working towards them, does it?
I'm done now.  You clearly either don't read what I say or forget it shortly thereafter.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7078|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

The Liberal ideal is for the world to live in a Communist Anarchy.  By the same token the medical ideal is to live in a world without illness.  Neither are possible, but that doesn't stop us from working towards them, does it?
I'm done now.  You clearly either don't read what I say or forget it shortly thereafter.
Nope I read, I just live in reality, you go ahead and live in never never land.


Man that is two you lost today.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7078|USA

lowing wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

No.  Communism is a system in which people work together for the greater good.  This can either be enforced through government, or done through mutual agreement (in an Anarchic society).  The Liberal ideal in Anarchic Communism.
Which comes full circle to liberals do NOT live in the realms of reality now doesn't it? People by nature are too greedy and corrupt for such an ideal to take foothold.

Thanks bubbalo, you're the best partner I have in this fight against liberalism. 


But, by all means, explain to me again how the trash lady in the office DESERVES to earn as much as the engineer. I am still a little fuzzy on that one.
does this mean you won't explain this??

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