LawJik
The Skeptical Realist
+48|6549|Amherst, MA
30 million Americans live on minimum wage, 4.3 million more since Bush came into office. Even if you aren't living in the same neighborhood, people like this woman are struggling every day to get by. Personal savings were at the lowest level in 2006 since the Depression in America, at -1% .

Someone working full time at minimum wage earns $10,712 a year that's $8,000 less than what the government defines as poverty, so, two people BARELY scrape above being labeled in the "poverty" group.

What happens if you add a kid, or one overdue balance that gets out of hand, or unexpected medical expense? There is no room for any other expenses, these people's paychecks can barely pay the bills and the slightest mishap can easily send them to bankruptcy, homelessness etc. These people are living on the edge of a knife, many don't have health insurance, its a life of worry and doubt.

Republicans raised the pay to the members of Congress seven times, adding $28,500 per year. That means they ADDED on top of their salary,MORE THAN DOUBLE THE AMOUNT A PERSON WORKING FULL TIME ON MINIMUM WAGE FOR A YEAR MAKES!

The current salary of a member of the House or Senate is $165,000 a year, or:
15.4 x $10,712 = $165,000
(15.4 times more than minimum wage)
All this while according to the office of the House Historian, the House in 2006 met for 101 days, the fewest days since it met for 108 days in 1948, that's like 2 days a week.


Ted Kennedy on Republicans and Minimum wage. Jan 25, 07.

Last edited by LawJik (2007-02-07 23:31:57)

UGADawgs
Member
+13|6338|South Carolina, US

LawJik wrote:

No one died when Clinton lied...

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?J … _ctrl=1061

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the  rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

Clinton lied about a quick blow job, Bush knowingly, falsely, and deceptively lead us into a war which has lead to the deaths of more than half a million people, mostly civilians. 1 in 4 Iraqi's personally know a person who has died since the US invasion, and if there were killing in the US at the same rate according to population, there would be over 7 million Americans dead, killed by an aggressive occupying force.

Bush has broken the law, on hundreds of occasions, google signing statements? The only reason he has not been impeached is because all hell will break lose when it all comes out that Bush was behind 9/11 or at least knew about it, didn't care about Katrina, entered this war to make personal profits, and stole the United States Presidential election. Also, Cheney will become president if we don't go through the process of impeaching him also, this process would take longer than the 2 years left in his term.

People will look back in history at this time and ask how the American people let a tyrant fake intelligence for a war for profit while the income gap separated even more and oil companies made the largest profits in history.

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
Most of these points are either unsourced or too vague. I'd especially like to see the evidence that Bush knew of any alteration or "sexing up" of intelligence reports and agreed with it. "Criminal neglect" in Katrina is just laughable. What did you want him to do, drop wads of cash from helicopters? Signing statements are irrelevent, since they're completely meaningless. Just because Bush writes that he has exceptions doesn't mean that he does. Besides, writing signing statements aren't by themselves illegal.
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6672|United States of America
Wow, LawJik these are very thought provoking and intellectual posts you have made.  You are a credit to liberals everywhere.  I think I just might vote for Hillary in the next elections.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6385|Columbus, Ohio

LawJik wrote:

No one died when Clinton lied...
Since we are playing this game.

One could say Clinton did not strike against Bin Laden (Had a few opportunities) because he did not want it to look like he was trying to distract people from his scandal.
syntaxmax642
Member
+32|6642|Seattle

Pug wrote:

It's funny how history repeats itself.  Everyone was saying the US sucked and had no morals because the Prez got blown back then...

Quick question:
everyone hates Bush, everyone hated Clinton, everyone hated Bush Sr, everyone hated Reagan, everyone hated Carter...do you see a pattern yet?
The pattern is... No matter who gets voted in as president there will always be some JACKASS in office.



+ 1 Karma? You be the DECIDER...
LawJik
The Skeptical Realist
+48|6549|Amherst, MA

usmarine2007 wrote:

LawJik wrote:

No one died when Clinton lied...
Since we are playing this game.

One could say Clinton did not strike against Bin Laden (Had a few opportunities) because he did not want it to look like he was trying to distract people from his scandal.
Or Republicans spun the story trying to clear the current Bush regime..



Holy crap, I went back and watched this video again, the speech competance level of Clinton vs Bush is so evident, man Bush sucks hard....

Last edited by LawJik (2007-02-15 06:26:26)

usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6385|Columbus, Ohio

LawJik wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

LawJik wrote:

No one died when Clinton lied...
Since we are playing this game.

One could say Clinton did not strike against Bin Laden (Had a few opportunities) because he did not want it to look like he was trying to distract people from his scandal.
Or Republicans spun the story trying to clear the current Bush regime..
"They knew bin Laden not only as a preacher, financier and terrorist planner, but sometimes as a military field commander who wandered near their battle lines."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy … -2004Feb21

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2007-02-10 18:32:36)

bootsy
Banned
+9|6304

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Okay.
funny cool pic, very true on that map,lol,karma for pic
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6664|Peoria
Actually, in my personal opinion, the president should be able to be placed under scrutiny for all but the most minor of offense. Fuck this Heads of State immunity bullshit.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6423|North Carolina
Good posts, LawJik... 

Whatever the case, the Patriot Act's general acceptance by the public proved that Americans were willing to sacrifice some of their freedom for security.

It kind of makes you wonder....  who should you trust less: the government or a complacent public?
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6789|PNW

Turquoise wrote:

I think it's just revenge for the bullshit they pulled with Clinton.  The Democrats shouldn't stoop to that level though.

There are more grounds to impeach Bush than there were for Clinton, but I think impeachment is mostly a waste of time and money.

Nixon deserved to be impeached, but he was smart enough to resign first.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and I sure as hell don't want Cheney as president.
Nixon did more good than people care to admit.
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6664|Peoria
The only thing good to come out of the Nixon administration was Detente.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6664
Bush will get impeached when he does something worthy of being impeached. Hearsay by a bunch of dumbass liberals on a bf2s forum is not grounds for impeachement.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6423|North Carolina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I think it's just revenge for the bullshit they pulled with Clinton.  The Democrats shouldn't stoop to that level though.

There are more grounds to impeach Bush than there were for Clinton, but I think impeachment is mostly a waste of time and money.

Nixon deserved to be impeached, but he was smart enough to resign first.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and I sure as hell don't want Cheney as president.
Nixon did more good than people care to admit.
Nixon was certainly more progressive than most Republicans today.

He got us out of Vietnam, and he created the EPA.

The problem with Nixon was his paranoia.  He made McCarthy look like an amateur nutjob in that respect.

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