how about for the U.S.: stop making up stupid new gun laws and enforce the ones they have. besides, gun control means hitting your target!!!!!!!!!
Poll
Should us Brits have the right to own all types of Guns like the USA
| YES - without any controls apart from a simple licence | 14% | 14% - 27 | ||||
| YES - But only for people aged 25 or over plus licence | 14% | 14% - 27 | ||||
| YES - as above - but NO handguns/pistols | 1% | 1% - 2 | ||||
| YES - but NO machine guns | 9% | 9% - 17 | ||||
| NO - Ban the lot including farmers shotguns | 3% | 3% - 6 | ||||
| NO - keep the law as it is | 19% | 19% - 35 | ||||
| NO - Plus stricter laws in Europe | 13% | 13% - 24 | ||||
| USA - should have stricter gun laws | 10% | 10% - 19 | ||||
| USA - Gun laws fine as thay are | 8% | 8% - 16 | ||||
| USA - to ban all privately owned guns | 5% | 5% - 10 | ||||
| Total: 183 | ||||||
A liberal reporter once asked a Marine sniper how he could shoot people. He said " What do you feel when you pull the trigger to end someones life?" . The Marine replied "recoil sir".
Malloy must go
Still not quite true, that gun needs to have been made before 1986. So you won't be able to get a G36 that's full auto/burst capable.Volatile_Squirrel wrote:
From what I have read on these forums, you apparently have a knife problem now. There will always be a replacement for what has been taken away, so I say- give the people their rights to bust caps again!!You can in a class 3 state, like here in Arizona.usmarine2007 wrote:
US citizen cannot own ALL types of guns.
How about giving the USA more options, cuz I don't like the gun laws currently, they need to be more relaxed.
I admit to stealing this line from Lord of War, but I find it to be my personal motto.
"There are over 550,000,000 firearms in worldwide circulation, that's one firearm for every 12 people. The only question is, how do we arm the other 11?"
"There are over 550,000,000 firearms in worldwide circulation, that's one firearm for every 12 people. The only question is, how do we arm the other 11?"
Yes, own all the guns you want, just abide by the laws and enforce the laws and the only ones that need t oworry will be the criminals
I'd rather be shot to death than stabbed/strangled/beat. People dont need guns to kill people, they will kill you with anything.commissargizz wrote:
People kill people...exactly don't give them means (guns) to kill people.
It's actually because every single man is in the Swizz Army, with an automatic rifle and exactly 70 of ammo. Apparantly it's classed as the third highest due to it's RELATIVE population, also these are accidental deaths plus murders, plus army mistakes and the whole sheeee-bang.markkos wrote:
I think you mean with Switzaland Switzerland. Where do you have this information from (3rd highest gun murders)? I found some statistics for 2005: Number of intentional homicides: 204, Intentional Homicides involving Firearms: 48. Just for comparison the number of homicides in UK: around 800 in 05/06, even more in 04/05. I don't know the number of homicides involving firearms in the UK, but I think there are more countries with more than 48 gun murders? Or did you mean gun murder RATES? That's a different thing and I don't have any info on this and I don't want to research anymore because I have to go to a theatre. And this weekend I'll maybe go shooting again.ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:
Do we really want to be like Switzaland whith the third highest gun murders in the world?
In my opinion the US could maybe get a licensing system, i don't think that's bad, just some more waiting... And the UK should maybe loosen them, but for sporting as example I put, even though my rifle has a 8-shot mag, each round through the exit port in the rifle. But competitive pistol shooting isn't so well possible if I understood the laws correct.
So far I think guns in America is too fargone. They will never, ever, ever addere to gun laws. It seems to be in their culture, laws and everything. Also US is just too damn big to kick out guns.
I don't think too much of this "We need guns to protect ourselves" - If the guns weren't there you wouldn't have to!!! But as the guns ARE there, then the only way I see of combating guns is with lawful guns.
In the UK as there are so few guns (relatively speaking) we do not NEED guns to protect ourselves.
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Old article...but ummm...ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:
In the UK as there are so few guns (relatively speaking) we do not NEED guns to protect ourselves.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2069400.stm
lol who cares we won in cricket doesnt it really matter.
Sorry. But if you lived in England you know that it feels safer without guns. Though that is coming from just an ordinary person.
I'm not saying we haven't any gun crime, but I am saying that the amount we do have does not warrant the legalisation of firearms!!
Clear-up to USAers:
Chav: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav
Pikey: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pikey
Imagine those guys in charge of a gun!!!
I'm not saying we haven't any gun crime, but I am saying that the amount we do have does not warrant the legalisation of firearms!!
Clear-up to USAers:
Chav: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav
Pikey: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pikey
Imagine those guys in charge of a gun!!!
Vesper Lynd: "It doesn't bother you; killing all those people?"deeznutz1245 wrote:
A liberal reporter once asked a Marine sniper how he could shoot people. He said " What do you feel when you pull the trigger to end someones life?" . The Marine replied "recoil sir".
Bond: "Well I wouldn't be very good at my job if it did."
What doesn't make sense to me is that you can own a firearm in America before you can purchase alcohol. Either make it so that you have to be 21 before owning a firearm, or make it so that you can purchasea alcohol when you turn 18.
Definitely... just more hypocrisy in our laws....Deadmonkiefart wrote:
What doesn't make sense to me is that you can own a firearm in America before you can purchase alcohol. Either make it so that you have to be 21 before owning a firearm, or make it so that you can purchasea alcohol when you turn 18.
No way it's bad enough that lots of people carry knives in the UK at least those fuckers have to get up close and you stand some sort of a slim chance of fighting them.
YES - without any controls apart from a simple licence
- dumb
YES - But only for people aged 25 or over plus licence
- you can get killed if you're under 25, and people over 25 aren't necessarily more mature
YES - as above - but NO handguns/pistols
- because we all know that said sidearms can do way more damage than shotguns and rifles
YES - but NO machine guns
- the heck would you need one for, especially in the UK?
NO - Ban the lot including farmers shotguns
- phagh
NO - keep the law as it is
- ...
NO - Plus stricter laws in Europe
- ...
USA - should have stricter gun laws
- should have stricter punishments for firearms-related crime
USA - Gun laws fine as thay are
- I can buy one type of gun without a waiting period, but another requires me to sit around for a "cool-off" period. Now, if I wanted to shoot someone, I could do it as well with a "non-wait" firearm.
USA - to ban all privately owned guns
- you can try...
- dumb
YES - But only for people aged 25 or over plus licence
- you can get killed if you're under 25, and people over 25 aren't necessarily more mature
YES - as above - but NO handguns/pistols
- because we all know that said sidearms can do way more damage than shotguns and rifles
YES - but NO machine guns
- the heck would you need one for, especially in the UK?
NO - Ban the lot including farmers shotguns
- phagh
NO - keep the law as it is
- ...
NO - Plus stricter laws in Europe
- ...
USA - should have stricter gun laws
- should have stricter punishments for firearms-related crime
USA - Gun laws fine as thay are
- I can buy one type of gun without a waiting period, but another requires me to sit around for a "cool-off" period. Now, if I wanted to shoot someone, I could do it as well with a "non-wait" firearm.
USA - to ban all privately owned guns
- you can try...
To me, the protection of guns isn't from another individual with a gun, it's protection from a despotic government. It would never be a conventional war, most likely lots of assassination of high ranking officials. Most serious gun owners are better shots than their military counterparts. I think every countries citizenry deserve the right to overthrow their government. Throughout history all attempts at weapon control have merely been despotic governments trying to prevent uprisings. I honestly believe that is the case with gun control now, but under the guise of making people "safer".ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:
So far I think guns in America is too fargone. They will never, ever, ever addere to gun laws. It seems to be in their culture, laws and everything. Also US is just too damn big to kick out guns.
I don't think too much of this "We need guns to protect ourselves" - If the guns weren't there you wouldn't have to!!! But as the guns ARE there, then the only way I see of combating guns is with lawful guns.
In the UK as there are so few guns (relatively speaking) we do not NEED guns to protect ourselves.
And on the topic of guns, I here people say, they should be banned cause they kill thousands every year with accidents or murders, this may be the case, but I can think of things that kill a lot more people than guns, and have even less use than a gun. Like...
Swimming pools, kill thousands every year, mostly children, they are really only there for recreation. I've never heard anyone suggest banning pools.
Alcohol. Don't really need to explain, it's even more useless than a swimming pool, at least with a swimming pool you might be able to claim your getting exercise. We've already tried banning alcohol once, it didn't work and I doubt many even seriously consider banning it, you can't tell me alcohol is better to have around than guns and expect me to believe it.
Then it isn't counted as gun MURDER if you mean accidental deaths. Switzerland has a population of around 7,5 million. I'm not good in mathematics and I have to go soon, so could someone count the rate of the homicides committed with firearms?ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:
It's actually because every single man is in the Swizz Army, with an automatic rifle and exactly 70 of ammo. Apparantly it's classed as the third highest due to it's RELATIVE population, also these are accidental deaths plus murders, plus army mistakes and the whole sheeee-bang.
And, not every single man has to go to the Swiss Army, you can do civil service, and if I remember correct you may refuse to take the rifle home.
I think it's quite weird that almost anyone just may walk to a gun shop and a buy a big fat machine gun or something. But that's my opinion, no offence
That's not possible if the states if that's what your implying.Goerra wrote:
I think it's quite weird that almost anyone just may walk to a gun shop and a buy a big fat machine gun or something. But that's my opinion, no offence
Machine Guns have to be registered, and the owner has to pay a $200 tax stamp. And no machine guns made after 1986 can be sold to civilians. They are also only legal in 38 states. You have to jump through quite a few legal hurdles and a nice background check. And then and only then can you purchase the gun. Rarely are they in a gun store, it usually just goes directly from one private citizen to another. This is because your average machine gun costs more than a new car. Usually around $20,000-$30,000 for something like an M16 or M4, and it can get above $100,000 for things like M2's and even up into the $500,000 range for a Mini-gun. The cheapest ones seem to be MAC-10's and their copies, which go for about $5,000 and they jam so often that calling them a machine gun is laughable (I know, I've worked on a couple, it's a bitch to get em working right cause the quality is so poor).
I would also like to point out that since 1938, when machine guns were restricted in the U.S. Only one murder has occurred with one of these registered transferable machine guns, and it was actually a police officer who committed the murder.
pulsar knows his shit.
the uzi i get to shoot was bought for $6000, and they all swear that it was a great deal.
the MP5 on the other hand cost like $18,000.
the range owns the uzi, but a private citizen (ex spec ops) owns the MP5, G3, P90, M4 and all sorts of shit....he is a very succesful lawyer after his service to his country and has the money to play with such toys......but hell yes a class III firearms license is pretty hard to obtain.
and then after that you have to cash out big time......most criminals that use firearms dont try and get sub guns or some shit like that......
someone correct me if im wrong, but i am fairly sure that most street shootings involve some POS .22 wheel gun that had its numbers filed LONG ago.
i love the fact that people in this country may own a fully automatic firearm if they want.
my wife will NEVER let me get one, because of the money, but hey, its nice to know its an option.
the uzi i get to shoot was bought for $6000, and they all swear that it was a great deal.
the MP5 on the other hand cost like $18,000.
the range owns the uzi, but a private citizen (ex spec ops) owns the MP5, G3, P90, M4 and all sorts of shit....he is a very succesful lawyer after his service to his country and has the money to play with such toys......but hell yes a class III firearms license is pretty hard to obtain.
and then after that you have to cash out big time......most criminals that use firearms dont try and get sub guns or some shit like that......
someone correct me if im wrong, but i am fairly sure that most street shootings involve some POS .22 wheel gun that had its numbers filed LONG ago.
i love the fact that people in this country may own a fully automatic firearm if they want.
my wife will NEVER let me get one, because of the money, but hey, its nice to know its an option.
And the people at the end of a criminals gun.lowing wrote:
Yes, own all the guns you want, just abide by the laws and enforce the laws and the only ones that need t oworry will be the criminals.
So less machine guns, less death. Less hand guns less death. Yes??!!!ts-pulsar wrote:
I would also like to point out that since 1938, when machine guns were restricted in the U.S. Only one murder has occurred with one of these registered transferable machine guns, and it was actually a police officer who committed the murder.
True, but if I wanted to survive I could fight back against someone fighting with a knife etc.bigpoptart wrote:
I'd rather be shot to death than stabbed/strangled/beat. People dont need guns to kill people, they will kill you with anything.
All these crazy laws were discussed in a previous thread before. In England you have sex and have children at 16 but you can't watch pornography until you are 18!!!!?!!!!!deadmonkeyfart wrote:
What doesn't make sense to me is that you can own a firearm in America before you can purchase alcohol. Either make it so that you have to be 21 before owning a firearm, or make it so that you can purchasea alcohol when you turn 18. .
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Does he? Three of the weapons he mentioned aren't machine guns.Parker wrote:
pulsar knows his shit.
congrats bubbs, however if i remember correctly he is a gunsmith.Bubbalo wrote:
Does he? Three of the weapons he mentioned aren't machine guns.Parker wrote:
pulsar knows his shit.
which makes him pretty damn qualified to discuss such things.....and im assuming that the three you are referring to would be the M4/16 and the mac 10, if you are talking about the post i responded to.
if that is the case, then i suppose technically they arent machine guns....however, the colts would be considered assault rifles, that fire in full auto (M4 full-M16 burst, just like the game), and the mac would be considered a machine pistol.....so they are all machine guns.
for some reason i really doubt anything you say about firearms.
How often do you get confronted with a hard core crim? so rarely its not true. By legalising guns all you do is give petty criminals who you might confront a method to easily kill you.SuperMike wrote:
Yes We do - its like politics here - full of back stabbers
seriously with all the unchecked illegal immigrant problem here
we seem to have an increase of "undesirable East European" gangsters
Using more weapons like knives & guns - We aint got anything to fight back
with apart from "air guns" ?????
And tbh I can tell you all to stfu as i live in gun central for England with something like 30% of all gun deaths in England, and guess who has the guns? The drug dealers. Guess who they shoot? Other drug dealers. Where is the problem?
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