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Poll

Should us Brits have the right to own all types of Guns like the USA

YES - without any controls apart from a simple licence14%14% - 27
YES - But only for people aged 25 or over plus licence14%14% - 27
YES - as above - but NO handguns/pistols1%1% - 2
YES - but NO machine guns9%9% - 17
NO - Ban the lot including farmers shotguns3%3% - 6
NO - keep the law as it is19%19% - 35
NO - Plus stricter laws in Europe13%13% - 24
USA - should have stricter gun laws10%10% - 19
USA - Gun laws fine as thay are8%8% - 16
USA - to ban all privately owned guns5%5% - 10
Total: 183
2007-02-07 10:43:55
Wraith
Member
+30|7029
It's all very well saying that if you have a gun you can confront an intruder, but what if the intruder has a gun as well?  Do you think he'd be more likely to shoot first at a person pointing a gun at him, or the person who has no gun and is therefore no threat to him?

If the criminal is carrying a gun they're likely to subscribe to the theory of "never point a gun at someone unless you're willing to pull the trigger".  In that case, threatening him with a gun of your own just makes it more likely that he will shoot you
2007-02-07 10:46:28
PigPopTart
Shotgun whore
+133|6739|Pacific NW, USA

Wraith wrote:

It's all very well saying that if you have a gun you can confront an intruder, but what if the intruder has a gun as well?  Do you think he'd be more likely to shoot first at a person pointing a gun at him, or the person who has no gun and is therefore no threat to him?

If the criminal is carrying a gun they're likely to subscribe to the theory of "never point a gun at someone unless you're willing to pull the trigger".  In that case, threatening him with a gun of your own just makes it more likely that he will shoot you
That's why you confront them with the gun loaded and saftey off, you look at them to make sure it's someone you dont know, then KABOOM!   You win.

Last edited by PigPopTart (2007-02-07 10:46:49)

Rufknsrsbro?
2007-02-07 10:48:33
mKmalfunction
Infamous meleeKings cult. Est. 2003 B.C.
+82|6990|The Lost Highway
Dude, everyone should have at least one gun. Period.
2007-02-07 10:51:45
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6817|Columbus, Ohio
"Blaming a gun for a killing is like blaming a pencil for a misspelling."
2007-02-07 10:53:28
PigPopTart
Shotgun whore
+133|6739|Pacific NW, USA

usmarine2007 wrote:

"Blaming a gun for a killing is like blaming a pencil for a misspelling."
Exactly,  guns are good...when in hands of a resposible person.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Rufknsrsbro?
2007-02-07 12:11:20
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7099

SuperMike wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Null vote. 

Any citizen in good standing (not a criminal) in any country should be able to own a firearm.  If a citizen wants to own fully automatic weapons they should go through the class 3 licensing process.  Limiting weapon purchase to 25 and up doesn't make sense to me.  Age 18 would be better. 

You are right that the criminals will always have guns, not matter what gun laws are in place.  Banning weapons only takes away the ability of a law-abiding citizen to defend themselves.
We have a much higher asshole ratio in the UK than you do in the US, so us nice people would be getting shot at all the time.
How would you know ? Dutch boy?    lmao
You're hilarious. Way to go prove my point.
2007-02-07 14:31:54
commissargizz
Member
+123|6913| Heaven
People kill people...exactly don't give them means (guns) to kill people.
2007-02-07 14:39:34
syntaxmax642
Member
+32|7075|Seattle

Barrakuda777 wrote:

No.

With the current chav population boom, making access to firearms anything other than prohibitively expensive is a very bad idea. All the wanna be hard nuts with an actual way of doing something.... gun crime would be prolific.

Or take chris rocks idea of guns for all, but REALLY expensive ammo.... if someone got shot by a chav, chances the chav worked 2 jobs for a month and saved really really hard.... so the guy he killed probably deserved it!

But seriously....

NO.
WTF are CHAVS or pikeys for that matter... could you please speak some english?
2007-02-07 18:35:14
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6855|North Carolina
Well, all I can say is... The knifings in the U.K. prove that it's not guns that kill people...  You know the rest of the saying.

You might as well allow more firearms into your country, because as it currently stands, your criminals are the ones most likely to have one (other than police and military personnel).  A mostly unarmed populace is easy pickings for criminals.
2007-02-07 18:36:48
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6855|North Carolina

syntaxmax642 wrote:

Barrakuda777 wrote:

No.

With the current chav population boom, making access to firearms anything other than prohibitively expensive is a very bad idea. All the wanna be hard nuts with an actual way of doing something.... gun crime would be prolific.

Or take chris rocks idea of guns for all, but REALLY expensive ammo.... if someone got shot by a chav, chances the chav worked 2 jobs for a month and saved really really hard.... so the guy he killed probably deserved it!

But seriously....

NO.
WTF are CHAVS or pikeys for that matter... could you please speak some english?
Chavs are the British equivalent of wiggers.  Pikeys are basically street trash.
2007-02-07 22:14:44
BVC
Member
+325|7145
How many more criminals would have guns if they were more widespread?
2007-02-07 22:39:44
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6855|North Carolina

Pubic wrote:

How many more criminals would have guns if they were more widespread?
Well, it is true that easy access to guns is how criminals arm themselves here, but the only counter to this is for law-abiding citizens to arm themselves.  Of course, people should still train with guns if they buy one.

A lot of people here demonize handguns because of the accidental deaths that occur every year here, but training would eliminate most of those.
2007-02-07 22:44:51
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6844|The Gem Saloon
i train constantly.....you must remain very sharp to carry...or play with stuff like this-
https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/parkercustoms/th_uzi009.jpg
http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/ … uzi009.flv
2007-02-07 23:26:08
basetballjones
Member
+30|7198
Option:

No, because that will make it harder when America takes over Britain.

As it is, we plan to do it with thirteen-hundred drunkards and this trained bear named Boris.


Seriously as I can get- Criminals are a unique combination of weak, lazy, intelligent, and aggrssive.. They will go for anything that ups their odds of success, and against humans- guns are their greatest tool. 

Now, I don't have armed guards at my house.. or any guards whatsoever, to protect me from a gun wielding criminal.

In order to ensure my right to the pursuit of happiness, and the innate rights to protect my body, family, and home- by proxy I have the right to own any tool(weapon) that is available to one that would use them against me.

Simply put, I'll be damned if anyone tells me I can defend from bullets with bullets if they don't plan to stand in front of me
2007-02-07 23:30:06
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7124|Canberra, AUS
Why the bloody hell would you want a machine gun?

Anyway, just get a baseball bat or throwing knife. Less noisy, unless you plan on getting a silencer as well (if you can)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-02-07 23:32:28
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6844|The Gem Saloon
alot of states in the US allow the ownership of suppressors....but come on i could do WAY more damage with that uzi than i ever could with a baseball bat or a throwing knife......i know this because i played baseball when i was a kid.........
2007-02-07 23:40:37
TheLostOne
Member
+11|6962

Parker wrote:

i train constantly.....you must remain very sharp to carry...or play with stuff like this-
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/ … uzi009.jpg
http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/ … uzi009.flv
Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but PARKER WE'VE SEEN IT. OK???
2007-02-08 01:56:38
.:XDR:.PureFodder
Member
+105|7279
Where to even begin......

a) With regards to gun crime going up in the UK. Firstly it's so damned low to begin with that a rise in gun crime means little when compaired to the amount of gun crime that goes on in countries that have guns.
OWNING A GUN IS A CRIME!!!!!!! Hence we can knock off a whole load of gun crimes in the UK because they wouldn't be crimes if guns were legal.
THE GUNS MOST USED IN GUN CRIMES ARE AIR GUNS FOLLOWED BY REPLICAS. Anyone who wants proof that the vast majority of criminals don't in fact have access to guns should just read that last sentence again.

b) Uk has approximately a tenth of the gun homicide rate of the US.

c) There's almost nobody in the UK that wants the guns back. We banned them and we're happy, more than happy with the results.

d) Hundreds of thousands of guns aren't stolen each year in the UK. Which is more than can be said for certain contries on the other side of the Atlantic. (FYI that's where the criminals are getting the guns from, the gun owners. As the UK has very few gun owners very few guns get stolen and the criminals end up with very few guns).

e) Senile old folks with guns....... not such a hot idea, especially if you work for meals-on-wheels.

f) I'm 26 and the only guns I've seen in the UK were in on an army barracks and I live in the supposed gun crime capital of Britain.
2007-02-08 04:40:23
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7104|Teesside, UK

.:XDR:.PureFodder wrote:

Where to even begin......

a) With regards to gun crime going up in the UK. Firstly it's so damned low to begin with that a rise in gun crime means little when compaired to the amount of gun crime that goes on in countries that have guns.
OWNING A GUN IS A CRIME!!!!!!! Hence we can knock off a whole load of gun crimes in the UK because they wouldn't be crimes if guns were legal.
THE GUNS MOST USED IN GUN CRIMES ARE AIR GUNS FOLLOWED BY REPLICAS. Anyone who wants proof that the vast majority of criminals don't in fact have access to guns should just read that last sentence again.

b) Uk has approximately a tenth of the gun homicide rate of the US.

c) There's almost nobody in the UK that wants the guns back. We banned them and we're happy, more than happy with the results.

d) Hundreds of thousands of guns aren't stolen each year in the UK. Which is more than can be said for certain contries on the other side of the Atlantic. (FYI that's where the criminals are getting the guns from, the gun owners. As the UK has very few gun owners very few guns get stolen and the criminals end up with very few guns).

e) Senile old folks with guns....... not such a hot idea, especially if you work for meals-on-wheels.

f) I'm 26 and the only guns I've seen in the UK were in on an army barracks and I live in the supposed gun crime capital of Britain.
QFT
I'm glad it's only a minority of people who have guns in this country.  The thought of these kinds of people easily getting hold of guns would bring nightmares.
http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid … =925242006
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/news/ … _page.html
2007-02-08 04:43:56
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7096
Lower gun crime means higher knife crime. I'd much rather get shot than stabbed.
2007-02-08 04:46:23
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7104|Teesside, UK

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Lower gun crime means higher knife crime. I'd much rather get shot than stabbed.
Better chance of running away from a knife.
2007-02-08 04:51:29
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7134|United States of America

Bertster7 wrote:

Gun control works.
However, I would not call a nationwide ban gun control; more like supression or something. I do uphold the right of citizens to own firearms so long as they do so in a responsible manner but a ban seems to be creating an utterly defenseless society. There's no deterrent to rob any shop that someone comes upon since the owner is most likely a law abiding dude. But also you've got that technology that helps the defenseless shopkeep from getting beat down like bulletproof screens and silent alarms and automatic door locking buttons. It would be irresponsible to allow everyone a pistol and say, "Go ahead and have some fun", but also to take that right away from somebody who has done nothing to make you question his or her competence to own such a thing.
2007-02-08 04:52:53
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7096

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Lower gun crime means higher knife crime. I'd much rather get shot than stabbed.
I know what you mean. People fail to realize that there is always a veiled negative to a would-be positive. Sure there would be less gun crime, but it's not going to change the violent nature of criminals who commit violent crimes. Consider the alternative. Let's say we ban knives. There would, of course, be less knife crimes, but gun crime would inevitably increase.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2007-02-08 04:53:35)

2007-02-08 04:58:28
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7104|Teesside, UK

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Lower gun crime means higher knife crime. I'd much rather get shot than stabbed.
I know what you mean. People fail to realize that there is always a veiled negative to a would-be positive. Sure there would be less gun crime, but it's not going to change the violent nature of criminals who commit violent crimes. Consider the alternative. Let's say we ban knives. There would, of course, be less knife crimes, but gun crime would inevitably increase.
Well of course you would.  If you didn't agree with yourself you'd be schizo

IMO anyone who gets close enough to someone to get stabbed isn't being cautious enough.  I don't want some pussy hiding in a building shooting out the window at people walking past.  At least with knife crime you can see trouble coming and get out of there instead of being shot in the back from a distance.

 

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