Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7027|132 and Bush

Shopvac wrote:

Here's my point . . . Freedom of the press was instituted so that the press could fulfill it's watchdog role without the danger of being thrown in jail.

Obvious I know.

As I interpret this freedom I submit that the press is an organized institution meant to safeguard the rights of the people. In other words, the media is responsible for delineating information about the actions of the government so that we as citizens may hold them accountable in the next round of elections if not sooner.

While Olberman often goes too far, and undoubtedly takes liberties in his "telling of the story" I find his brand of journalism less offensive. The reason is that he is taking the position of questioning the policies and decisions of our administration. While on the other hand, O'Riley is trying to strong arm his viewers into agreeing with him. He does this by saying that only idiots would disagree with his point of view. The problem with this is that O'Riley often borrows the talking points of the administration and its larger political party as his televised platform. He is a second press secretary who goes out to defend the administration every week night. This is not the job of the press, and it is in fact an insult to the pioneers of televised news like W. Cronkite.

That's the problem I have.

Last thing. I'm pretty sure Olberman doesn't refuse to show his political leanings. I know that none of them are supposed to say what their convictions are in an attempt to appear more independent. Even O'Riley calls himself such. Again, it's a very thin mask.
You are missing one big fact, O'Riley is not the press. He is not exercising his right under freedom of the press, but rather freedom of speech. There is nothing wrong with taking your guard down, that was the only beef I had with your first rather insulting post towards those that do. I am extremely open minded and I'm sure if you asked any of the regulars here they would agree. I just see it as a strength do be able to listen to the entire range of views in order to form my own opinion.

Also if you did watch O'reily consistently you would see he has no problem with attacking this administration policy on a variety of subjects. Something I think you would find a press secretary never does.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6831|North Carolina

fadedsteve wrote:

I got this off of the Drudge report today. . .

The liberal media loves to bash O'Reilly yet he continues to whip out his rating bat and belt his competition!!

This numbers must be altered. . . there is just no way a conservative leaning host is leading America during primetime news. . . .Has to be that right wing conspiracy Hillary(<---------idiot) keeps talking about!

btw I love how Olberman is Bill's biggest hater, and he's 3rd from the bottom. . . .lol F U Keith! Would that make him worse, Nancy grace worser, and Paula Zahn worst??

CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, FEB 5, 2007
VIEWERS

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,579,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,852,000
FNC GRETA 1,572,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,390,000
FNC HUME 1,297,000
CNN DOBBS 818,000
CNN BLITZER 675,000
CNN COOPER 636,000
CNN KING 624,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 610,000
CNNHN GRACE 476,000
CNN ZAHN 451,000
Simple answer: Idiots flock together like flies on shit.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6917|Menlo Park, CA

Turquoise wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

I got this off of the Drudge report today. . .

The liberal media loves to bash O'Reilly yet he continues to whip out his rating bat and belt his competition!!

This numbers must be altered. . . there is just no way a conservative leaning host is leading America during primetime news. . . .Has to be that right wing conspiracy Hillary(<---------idiot) keeps talking about!

btw I love how Olberman is Bill's biggest hater, and he's 3rd from the bottom. . . .lol F U Keith! Would that make him worse, Nancy grace worser, and Paula Zahn worst??

CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, FEB 5, 2007
VIEWERS

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,579,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,852,000
FNC GRETA 1,572,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,390,000
FNC HUME 1,297,000
CNN DOBBS 818,000
CNN BLITZER 675,000
CNN COOPER 636,000
CNN KING 624,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 610,000
CNNHN GRACE 476,000
CNN ZAHN 451,000
Simple answer: Idiots flock together like flies on shit.
Sorry. . .come again. . .

may I refer to Mr. Reagan yet again (in sig)!
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7077|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

I got this off of the Drudge report today. . .

The liberal media loves to bash O'Reilly yet he continues to whip out his rating bat and belt his competition!!

This numbers must be altered. . . there is just no way a conservative leaning host is leading America during primetime news. . . .Has to be that right wing conspiracy Hillary(<---------idiot) keeps talking about!

btw I love how Olberman is Bill's biggest hater, and he's 3rd from the bottom. . . .lol F U Keith! Would that make him worse, Nancy grace worser, and Paula Zahn worst??

CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, FEB 5, 2007
VIEWERS

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,579,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,852,000
FNC GRETA 1,572,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,390,000
FNC HUME 1,297,000
CNN DOBBS 818,000
CNN BLITZER 675,000
CNN COOPER 636,000
CNN KING 624,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 610,000
CNNHN GRACE 476,000
CNN ZAHN 451,000
That's because all of the liberals watch him too you idiot. I know for one that whenever I have access to FOX I stick him on to see what pathetic drivel comes out of his mouth. Someone so retarded, divisive and controversial is bound to draw viewers.
Air America didn't.
smtt686
this is the best we can do?
+95|7057|USA

fadedsteve wrote:

I got this off of the Drudge report today. . .

The liberal media loves to bash O'Reilly yet he continues to whip out his rating bat and belt his competition!!

This numbers must be altered. . . there is just no way a conservative leaning host is leading America during primetime news. . . .Has to be that right wing conspiracy Hillary(<---------idiot) keeps talking about!

btw I love how Olberman is Bill's biggest hater, and he's 3rd from the bottom. . . .lol F U Keith! Would that make him worse, Nancy grace worser, and Paula Zahn worst??

CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, FEB 5, 2007
VIEWERS

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,579,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,852,000
FNC GRETA 1,572,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,390,000
FNC HUME 1,297,000
CNN DOBBS 818,000
CNN BLITZER 675,000
CNN COOPER 636,000
CNN KING 624,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 610,000
CNNHN GRACE 476,000
CNN ZAHN 451,000
All are complete total idiots.    Why does anyone listen to anyone on this list.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7077|USA

smtt686 wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

I got this off of the Drudge report today. . .

The liberal media loves to bash O'Reilly yet he continues to whip out his rating bat and belt his competition!!

This numbers must be altered. . . there is just no way a conservative leaning host is leading America during primetime news. . . .Has to be that right wing conspiracy Hillary(<---------idiot) keeps talking about!

btw I love how Olberman is Bill's biggest hater, and he's 3rd from the bottom. . . .lol F U Keith! Would that make him worse, Nancy grace worser, and Paula Zahn worst??

CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, FEB 5, 2007
VIEWERS

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,579,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,852,000
FNC GRETA 1,572,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,390,000
FNC HUME 1,297,000
CNN DOBBS 818,000
CNN BLITZER 675,000
CNN COOPER 636,000
CNN KING 624,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 610,000
CNNHN GRACE 476,000
CNN ZAHN 451,000
All are complete total idiots.    Why does anyone listen to anyone on this list.
Oh, I guess cuz I don't get Al Jeezera offered in my cable package
kilgoretrout
Member
+53|6896|Little Rock, AR
13rin
Member
+977|6905

oug wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

Second, of all. . . .Whenever Bill Clinton talked on television I avoided him like the plague!!! Why would you watch someone you cannot stand to see??
Although I hate Bill Clinton, I must say... How can you make your mind up about something when you don't know what both sides advocate? Sadly this shows how one-sided you are... labeling people and all that. In this case btw, if you ever took the time to hear what Bill has to say you'd find he's not that different from the people you voted for.
er... Yea. he is.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
13rin
Member
+977|6905

Turquoise wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

I got this off of the Drudge report today. . .

The liberal media loves to bash O'Reilly yet he continues to whip out his rating bat and belt his competition!!

This numbers must be altered. . . there is just no way a conservative leaning host is leading America during primetime news. . . .Has to be that right wing conspiracy Hillary(<---------idiot) keeps talking about!

btw I love how Olberman is Bill's biggest hater, and he's 3rd from the bottom. . . .lol F U Keith! Would that make him worse, Nancy grace worser, and Paula Zahn worst??

CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, FEB 5, 2007
VIEWERS

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,579,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,852,000
FNC GRETA 1,572,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,390,000
FNC HUME 1,297,000
CNN DOBBS 818,000
CNN BLITZER 675,000
CNN COOPER 636,000
CNN KING 624,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 610,000
CNNHN GRACE 476,000
CNN ZAHN 451,000
Simple answer: Idiots flock together like flies on shit.
So -that's why they voted the Dems back into the House and Senate...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6831|North Carolina

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

I got this off of the Drudge report today. . .

The liberal media loves to bash O'Reilly yet he continues to whip out his rating bat and belt his competition!!

This numbers must be altered. . . there is just no way a conservative leaning host is leading America during primetime news. . . .Has to be that right wing conspiracy Hillary(<---------idiot) keeps talking about!

btw I love how Olberman is Bill's biggest hater, and he's 3rd from the bottom. . . .lol F U Keith! Would that make him worse, Nancy grace worser, and Paula Zahn worst??

CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, FEB 5, 2007
VIEWERS

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,579,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,852,000
FNC GRETA 1,572,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,390,000
FNC HUME 1,297,000
CNN DOBBS 818,000
CNN BLITZER 675,000
CNN COOPER 636,000
CNN KING 624,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 610,000
CNNHN GRACE 476,000
CNN ZAHN 451,000
Simple answer: Idiots flock together like flies on shit.
So -that's why they voted the Dems back into the House and Senate...
And why it took 6 years for them to figure out that having a Republican president coupled with a Republican Congress was a bad idea.  In short, most Americans are idiots.  Then again, so are most people.

It's not a Democrat, Republican, or even American problem so much as it is humans in general.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-02-07 21:27:55)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7101|Canberra, AUS
I see both sides, I know EXACTLEY what the "other" side is up to!! I dont need to watch Chris Matthews to hear the liberal diatribe. . .
How? Is this a case of 'you hear what you want to hear' (the term for which I believe is scotoma or something like that)? Or did you make it up? I could make up that all Texans are eveil mind-sucking aliens, but you can't question it because I KNOW.

Seriously, where do you get your definitions of liberalism from?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
LawJik
The Skeptical Realist
+48|6957|Amherst, MA
Media Matters has a page dedicated to Bill O'Reily, he is the GOD of bias media, he gets his lines from Bush and company.

Someone mentioned him covering the Shawn Hornbeck kidnapping well, but he was very insulting, saying the kid wanted to stay there, saying it was better than going to school etc. He is even losing sponsors over his covering of that story. Here is Keith Olberman covering Bill's shameful "reporting" on the story.

There is much to read in the "WTF is wrong with Fox News?" post from November.

Basically, these people's sick dedication to a political party, actually AFFECTS the history of America, because the media is the our only window to the world, and everyone watching mainstream media, like all those morons on that ratings chart, are looking through the same right-wing skewed window.

We cant go to the local town meeting and affect happenings in our Congress anymore, there are to many people. The people in Congress are OUR REPRESENTATIVES, elected by we the people, as a sign of faith that they should REPRESENT our wishes, to many times this doesn't happen, and the media avoiding issues that actually matter and being extremely bias does not help us.

Should the shameless, greedy, WANTS of a few spoiled really win out over the NEEDS of the many?


A working media, showing all sides, is the backbone to a working, living democracy.



OutFOXed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism:
[google]http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428[/google]

Last edited by LawJik (2007-02-08 00:33:09)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7101|Canberra, AUS

Above source wrote:

O'Reilly frequently denounces "cowards" who refuse to face him on-air, saying, for example, "If you attack someone publicly, as these men did to me, you have an obligation to face the person you are smearing. If you don't, you are a coward." But O'Reilly has repeatedly attacked Media Matters while refusing Media Matters President and CEO David Brock's request to appear on The O'Reilly Factor.
Is this true? If it is... fucking hypocrite.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman

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