BF2S Forums A soldiers refusal to go to war

An officer and refusing to go to war? What was he thinking when he decided to join the military? Getting lots of government benefits for nothing? He deserves whatever punishment they dish out.

From that article, "...saying the soldier did not fully understand a document he signed admitting to elements of the charges."

Well that's a great excuse. "I didn't understand it but signed it anyway."

Fen321 wrote:

Most of those advocating the adherence to the contract he signed somehow overlook the domestic dimensions of the contract. If he views the war as being ILLEGAL and objects involvement in it he is simply complying with his contract as far as i can see.

Illegal wars are not started by soldiers hence they are not the ones that should be punished for lies.


But its funny i can state this and point back to other posts where people presented extremely well put arguments that don't dabble with the word pussy or traitor, but magically its ignored and the same rhetoric is reintroduced. The justification for the WAR is not present henceforth the war is ILLEGAL. The US is a belligerent occupier of Iraq under International Law and as such the personal responsible for the conflict should be held accountable.

Show me something other opinion that the war on terrorism is illegal

arabeater wrote:

BN wrote:

arabeater wrote:

Dude, have you ever served a day in your life for your country? I highly doubt it the way you talk like you about this shit. I have alot of respect for the Germans in WW2, they knew they were fighting against overwhelming odds and yet they still fought until the end. Every soldier, airmen, marine and seaman willingly signed an agreement stating that they would obey all orders from their superiors and fight all enemies foreign or domestic. This guy is no exception to the rule. I have served my country for almost 6 years now without any hesitation to go to war whenever or wherever my country tells me. This guy should be harshly punished and made an example of.

Never served a day in my life, never will.

I don’t believe in blindly following anyone. Just because someone gives me an order does not mean I will follow it.

Thats sad man. I dunno what country your from but I feel sorry if it ever gets invaded and its full of people such as yourself. Do you think your life is more important than another persons?

I know the country!!! FRANCE

lowing wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

Most of those advocating the adherence to the contract he signed somehow overlook the domestic dimensions of the contract. If he views the war as being ILLEGAL and objects involvement in it he is simply complying with his contract as far as i can see.

Illegal wars are not started by soldiers hence they are not the ones that should be punished for lies.


But its funny i can state this and point back to other posts where people presented extremely well put arguments that don't dabble with the word pussy or traitor, but magically its ignored and the same rhetoric is reintroduced. The justification for the WAR is not present henceforth the war is ILLEGAL. The US is a belligerent occupier of Iraq under International Law and as such the personal responsible for the conflict should be held accountable.

Show me something other opinion that the war on terrorism is illegal

GorillaTicTacs did a great job at addressing the heart of the issue on page 3 of this thread.

If you check under the UN charter itself you will see were it states that acts of aggression go against the entire concept of a "United Nations." Not only that, you can even look at the lack of evidence for the purposed reason to going to war. The downing street memo predating 2003 also sheds light on a already conceived plan against Iraq prior to the ending of all diplomatic actions, this in itself displays a preconceived act of aggression that cannot be masked by false WMDs, Weapon violations, Al-queda links etc.

CannonFodder11b wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

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First Lieutenant Ehren Watada still refuses Iraq deployment orders, calling the war illegal.
A six-year prison term could result. Preliminary hearings are set for Thursday.

http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/blogs19056

The man is a coward. He got his commision AFTER the war started.  He should get the fucking death penelty for being a coward and a bitch.  But his Daddy has some massive pull, so he's not going to go to jail.
Although the enlisted troops that played the same game as him, got nailed...this little fuckstick is going to walk away scott free, because he has a powerfull daddy.


I'm temtped to shoot the asshole myself.  I deffinatly didnt want to do my second tour. But unlike him I follow through with my commitments.

Yea, this asshat deserves whatever punishment he gets. I've been 4 times and will going again later this year. I have no problem with going back except for being apart from my wife for half a year. He signed on the dotted line and took the oath, therefore whatever Uncle Sam tells him to do he must do, or get shot for disobeying a direct order from a superior. But thats just my opinion.

-Arabeater-

Is the war legal?

iamangry wrote:

Havok wrote:

47man wrote:

I'm curious of your "ideas" as to why this war is criminal. I don't mean that liberal bullshit that everybody and their sister can spout at the drop of a coin. I want an actual reason. Not "George Bush said there's oil", etc. We removed a dictatorship and are attempting to restore order, anti-insurgency wars can take well over 15 years to accomplish. It is people like you that caused us to lose Korea and are going to cause us to lose this.

We lost Korea because our military was underfunded after WWII.  We bit off more than we could chew, plain and simple.

NO
We TIED in Korea because we failed to factor in a million men... the Chinese

Not to mention we didn't stop while we were ahead.

kessel! wrote:

the war IS criminal. This man is a hero

fuck you

BN wrote:

Maybe he could get out of it by posing in playboy

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070215/ap_ … e9_J1H2ocA

And goddamn did she look good doing it.

Well ,personally I believe that wars must be fought for a bloody good reason ie. protecting your country from an outside threat.  But...what do you do if you know that the war you're fighting is morally and ethically wrong ?

For those of you who has followed orders and did as you're told ,I respect you for doing what you strongly believe in, that is that you're following orders that would protect those you care for or even more. Not just for the sake of following orders.

But the only problem is right now you know that what you're fighting for is wrong (even if it's legal by your country's law doesn't mean it is by international law) and with the ever increasing deaths of not only servicemen but also civilians this war is going in a downward spiral. Whatmore with the controversy over torture of POWs that have nothing to do with the war at all.

I know I sound too idealistic since I've never seen the real face of war let alone fought in one. Ex-servicemen (veterans from the war against communism) told me that if possible they wouldn't want to fight in another war but if they have to in order to protect their country and doing what is morally and ethically right, they are more than willing to go back to fight again.

So ,are you doing the right thing ? Everyone has a different belief but whether the belief is morally and ethically correct is another matter.

p/s : Sorry if my post offended anyone or doesn't make sense.

Whether he agrees or not, he signed the dotted line and he draws his wages every month.  He should be strung up.

Umm.... That’s his job going to war when orderd. He's a soldier(or so we thought) he joined under the known thought that he could be deployed any were, any time, for any reason. No matter what your opinion is on the war don’t join the military and then say "No" im not going to be deployed because I don’t agree. That’s BS.